Spytech's INTENSE workout journal - Page 4

**spytech** · 06-22-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Allen

Flat bench is not recommended for many reasons. If you're going to use it fine, but up the rep range to atleast 15RP. Then you're doing flat DB. In DC you only do one exercise per bodypart. Same deal with shoulders AND triceps.

Allen-

While I appreciate your opinion, there are reasons why I have changed and added alot of things.

1. The volume: 1 set per body part, rest paused out to failure 3x is simply not enough for me to grow on. I have a very fast recovery rate and these ultra low volume guidelines simply do not work for me.

2. I know what works best for my body, Dante does not. He gives a great plan to build around and upon. Just because he states something it does not mean we need to engrave it in stone and ignore any desire to change/add/improve things for our own self. Sure Dante has never said to do 20rep sets for your chest to spur growth (just legs), but I do them and they seem to be working, is that bad because Dante never said it?

3. Am I training via DC methods? Obviously I am. It would be a blatant lie if I took my routine now and stated it being otherwise since the underlying principles behind it are DC ideals. Just because I add in my own things that I know work does not mean I am making my routine 'non-DC'.

4. Finally, dont treat me like a newb telling me to 'read more closely' and that things are 'wrong with my routine'. I think it is quite obvious that I am doing everything for a reason here, and not just flailing around. You may think things are "wrong" according to what Dante has said, but like I said - I know my body better than Dante does, and I know what works.

**spytech** · 06-22-2005, 09:34 PM

Thanks for the support guys

**spytech** · 06-22-2005, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by antihero

im on allens side on this one....

And what is his side? Coming in and rudely insinuating that I am some sort of newbie that does not know what I am doing, and that I am doing things wrong because I do not follow Dante's routine 'to the T'? I think Dante will be the first to tell you that an experienced bb'er/lifter has all the right in the world to change and adapt his routine to what suits them best. To assume his routine - as is - is the best it could be for everyone would be completely ignorant and idiotic. A pure DC routine would never work for me because it is strictly too low volume.

I will say I am using DC principles all day long, despite the fact that I have added my own methods on top of them to boot. If you do not like it get out of my journal and go on living your ignorant "I follow what everyone else does" routine to life.

**antihero** · 06-22-2005, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spytech

And what is his side? Coming in and rudely insinuating that I am some sort of newbie that does not know what I am doing, and that I am doing things wrong because I do not follow Dante's routine 'to the T'? I think Dante will be the first to tell you that an experienced bb'er/lifter has all the right in the world to change and adapt his routine to what suits them best.To assume his routine - as is - is the best it could be for everyone would be completely ignorant and idiotic. A pure DC routine would never work for me because it is strictly too low volume.

your exactly right, you do have every right in the world to change it to suit you best, but how can you say that it is strctly to low volume? have you given it a good 6 months to see what kind of results you have gotten from it? were you eating everything in site? i doubt it....even if you think you were eating enough to grow, you probably werent eating enough for Dante to be happy....were you packing in the amount of protein that dante has said numerous times to be taking in? there are so many parts to DC's routine that everyone overlooks, and doesnt follow to the "T", and all those little things are what holds people back. now im not gonna say that you f***ed up the routine, or any thing else, nor am i going to say that you missed anything.....but i am saying that i dont beleive you did everything absolutely perfect before you came to the conclusion that you werent getting the proper results.

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Originally Posted by spytech

I will say I am using DC principles all day long, despite the fact that I have added my own methods on top of them to boot. If you do not like it get out of my journal and go on living your ignorant "I follow what everyone else does" routine to life.

thats exactly it, you are using DC PRINCIPLES. furthermore, there is absolutely no reason to attempt to insult those who try to give you help....

**spytech** · 06-22-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by antihero

your exactly right, you do have every right in the world to change it to suit you best, but how can you say that it is strctly to low volume? have you given it a good 6 months to see what kind of results you have gotten from it? were you eating everything in site? i doubt it....even if you think you were eating enough to grow, you probably werent eating enough for Dante to be happy....were you packing in the amount of protein that dante has said numerous times to be taking in? there are so many parts to DC's routine that everyone overlooks, and doesnt follow to the "T", and all those little things are what holds people back. now im not gonna say that you f***ed up the routine, or any thing else, nor am i going to say that you missed anything.....but i am saying that i dont beleive you did everything absolutely perfect before you came to the conclusion that you werent getting the proper results.

thats exactly it, you are using DC PRINCIPLES. furthermore, there is absolutely no reason to attempt to insult those who try to give you help....

No offense, but if i wanted help, I would ask for it, and if you want to give help, do so in a polite manner. I dont need some 2 poster coming onto me like I am some 8th grade newbie. I know all the nuances of the DC routine. I eat 400g protein a day+. I cut off carbs early in the night, etc etc etc. The DC routine IS low volume, if you think doing 1 or 2 exercises for a body part with some rest pausing isnt, get a clue. I have done low volume in the past for extended periods, and I know I do not grow from it, that evidence enough for you? Probably not, because Dante gets gains from low volume...

BTW, Did I ever even state I am not getting the gains I would like to get from DC? No, I am getting great gains - so I dont need you guys jumping on my back trying to fix what isnt broken.

**Trick D** · 06-22-2005, 11:20 PM

amen spytech... don't worry about them. keep lifting, keep getting bigger.

We encourage people to help other people. But you do so nicely. And you don't diss them. The guy is 200 pounds at under 8% bodyfat. I am around 8% body fat and 40 pounds lighter. Apparently this guy is doing something right. Read from him, give him help when he asks, and sit back and enjoy the show.

**antihero** · 06-22-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by spytech

No offense, but if i wanted help, I would ask for it, and if you want to give help, do so in a polite manner. I dont need some 2 poster coming onto me like I am some 8th grade newbie. I know all the nuances of the DC routine. I eat 400g protein a day+. I cut off carbs early in the night, etc etc etc. The DC routine IS low volume, if you think doing 1 or 2 exercises for a body part with some rest pausing isnt, get a clue. I have done low volume in the past for extended periods, and I know I do not grow from it, that evidence enough for you? Probably not, because Dante gets gains from low volume...

BTW, Did I ever even state I am not getting the gains I would like to get from DC? No, I am getting great gains - so I dont need you guys jumping on my back trying to fix what isnt broken.

its not a matter of fixing what isnt broken.........its a matter of tweaking to get the most you can from something........

your not gonna sit at your computer and have it take ten minutes to load a page, when you could tweak the pipelining configuration so that it takes 9 minutes, would you?

Flowsybaby · 06-22-2005, 11:40 PM

Wow I wished I got this kind of attention in my journal. Spytech keep doing your thing. As it has obviously worked for you, which is what is important.

**johnsbod** · 06-23-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by antihero

its not a matter of fixing what isnt broken.........its a matter of tweaking to get the most you can from something........

your not gonna sit at your computer and have it take ten minutes to load a page, when you could tweak the pipelining configuration so that it takes 9 minutes, would you?

The human body is more complex than your internet connection, and everyone responds differently. Why would you NOT continue to do something that works better for YOU? Why open Microsoft Excel if you are typing a paper? You wouldn't, you'd open up Word for that. That analogy is more fitting than your internet analogy. The exact same workout and diet will not work the same for everyone, and they need to find out what works for them. Obviously spytech has figured out what works for him, and it's very hard to argue with his results.

**Sholiz** · 06-23-2005, 04:26 AM

reading this over I don't think anyone was harsh but trying to give a bit of criticism and was taken the wrong way.

obviously Spytech is doing something right, but not following a DC routine to a T and even calling what he does DC ... who cares. I'm going to try the same thing for a few bodyparts that seem to be ignorant for me, take chest for me for example. I'll do my typical RP set "DC" style and then before I stretch I work with a weight I can do flyes for 11-15 reps and then go to failure and stretch with it after I'm done. too much volume? I don't think so but I'm just trying to make every last fiber scream before I start with the negatives.

it's not what DC says to follow to a T but it works for me. so if Spytech does some things differently, finds gains off them ... more power to him.

**johnsbod** · 06-23-2005, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by spytech

Would you like me to rename my workout? Quick, someone create a short clever abbreviation for something that means "Hey, I take what works for others and myself, learn from it, improve it,and apply it to myself and gain crazy strength and mass, while keyboard jockeys worry about what it should really be called".

How about this...

Spytech's DC Workout 1

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**spytech** · 06-23-2005, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by johnsbod

How about this...

Spytech's DC Workout 1

1 modified

haha, that could work, might still be too much over some people's heads though

For the time being I have modified my sig to clarify a bit.

Dan · 06-23-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by antihero

im on allens side on this one....

antihero... The mod team has taken note of your view point....

Spytech great workout man and you are as you know exactly correct a smart bber knows that he/she must seek to attain that which works best for them.

hibiscus09 · 06-23-2005, 02:21 PM

Spytech, all I'll add is whatever you are doing appears to be working very well, judging from your avatar. An intelligent/experienced bodybuilder does not blindly follow any preset plan 100% if he knows his body well enough to know when to make adjustments to the plan. You obviously know what you are doing.

**spytech** · 06-23-2005, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hibiscus09

Spytech, all I'll add is whatever you are doing appears to be working very well, judging from your avatar. An intelligent/experienced bodybuilder does not blindly follow any preset plan 100% if he knows his body well enough to know when to make adjustments to the plan. You obviously know what you are doing.

Thanks Hib

06-22-2005, 09:34 PM	#92
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06-23-2005, 04:26 AM	#100
Sholiz Soldier In Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,428 Recipes: 3 Rep Power: 230	reading this over I don't think anyone was harsh but trying to give a bit of criticism and was taken the wrong way. obviously Spytech is doing something right, but not following a DC routine to a T and even calling what he does DC ... who cares. I'm going to try the same thing for a few bodyparts that seem to be ignorant for me, take chest for me for example. I'll do my typical RP set "DC" style and then before I stretch I work with a weight I can do flyes for 11-15 reps and then go to failure and stretch with it after I'm done. too much volume? I don't think so but I'm just trying to make every last fiber scream before I start with the negatives. it's not what DC says to follow to a T but it works for me. so if Spytech does some things differently, finds gains off them ... more power to him. __________________ You hear me before you see me, I got King Kong in the trunk

06-22-2005, 11:40 PM	#98
Flowsybaby Pro Stature Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 9	Wow I wished I got this kind of attention in my journal. Spytech keep doing your thing. As it has obviously worked for you, which is what is important.

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hibiscus09 IMPC Contestant Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 985 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 16	Spytech, all I'll add is whatever you are doing appears to be working very well, judging from your avatar. An intelligent/experienced bodybuilder does not blindly follow any preset plan 100% if he knows his body well enough to know when to make adjustments to the plan. You obviously know what you are doing.

06-23-2005, 08:43 PM	#106
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