REAL Results with Michael Elias - Page 2

**EME** · 06-22-2006, 04:38 PM

I have to disagree with the blanket statement about Flax oil above.

Not that I think Fish Oil is bad, but there is more involved.

The key to proper EFA intake is total dietary intake and ratios of EFA's

Most people take in way too much Omega-6 oil ( from vegetable oil ) and way to little Omega-3 Oil ( From Ocean Fish, Fish Oil, Flax Oil, etc )

The average American Diet is 25-1 Omega-6 to Omega-3.

Depending on who you agree with, the recommended ratio is varies between 3-1 and 10-1 Omega-6 to Omega-3. Either way, it's a much smaller ratio than normally found in the typical diet.

So, if you are taking in large quantities of vegetable oil, then taking Flax oil is not going to help you correct the imbalance as well as Fish Oil will.

However, the diet I have you on is not naturally high in vegetable oil or Omega-6 oil, so you need to supplement with a mixture of both for optimal EFA intake.

Most Flax seed oil contains the following ratios of Omega Fatty Acids per 2g

Omega-3 900-1200 mg (45-60%)*, Omega-6 260-400 mg (13-20%)*, Omega-9 280-400 mg (14-20%)*

When combined with the higher ratio of Omega-6 oils contained in the other foods in your weekly diet you are now getting a healthy ratio of EFA's.

Fish oil is very useful for bringing up the ratio of Omega-3 to Omega-6 in the diet, but in your case, where your overall fat intake is low, and much of it comes from supplementation, you want to use a fat source rich in both Omega-3 and Omega-6 EFA's. This is why I have included Flax oil in your plan instead of Fish Oil.

- EME

97muscle · 06-22-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EME

I have to disagree with the blanket statement about Flax oil above.

Not that I think Fish Oil is bad, but there is more involved.

The key to proper EFA intake is total dietary intake and ratios of EFA's

Most people take in way too much Omega-6 oil ( from vegetable oil ) and way to little Omega-3 Oil ( From Ocean Fish, Fish Oil, Flax Oil, etc )

The average American Diet is 25-1 Omega-6 to Omega-3.

Depending on who you agree with, the recommended ratio is varies between 3-1 and 10-1 Omega-6 to Omega-3. Either way, it's a much smaller ratio than normally found in the typical diet.

So, if you are taking in large quantities of vegetable oil, then taking Flax oil is not going to help you correct the imbalance as well as Fish Oil will.

However, the diet I have you on is not naturally high in vegetable oil or Omega-6 oil, so you need to supplement with a mixture of both for optimal EFA intake.

Most Flax seed oil contains the following ratios of Omega Fatty Acids per 2g

Omega-3 900-1200 mg (45-60%)*, Omega-6 260-400 mg (13-20%)*, Omega-9 280-400 mg (14-20%)*

When combined with the higher ratio of Omega-6 oils contained in the other foods in your weekly diet you are now getting a healthy ratio of EFA's.

Fish oil is very useful for bringing up the ratio of Omega-3 to Omega-6 in the diet, but in your case, where your overall fat intake is low, and much of it comes from supplementation, you want to use a fat source rich in both Omega-3 and Omega-6 EFA's. This is why I have included Flax oil in your plan instead of Fish Oil.

- EME

WOOOW!! That is a what I call being able to back it up. I love you man.

Do you think the type of Flax that I bought is OK?

**EME** · 06-22-2006, 04:52 PM

Yes, that brand has a nice blend of EFA's which is what you want.
It should work nicely.

- EME

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Originally Posted by 97muscle

WOOOW!! That is a what I call being able to back it up. I love you man.

Do you think the type of Flax that I bought is OK?

97muscle · 06-22-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EME

Yes, that brand has a nice blend of EFA's which is what you want.
It should work nicely.

- EME

Cool I am about to take my first hit of it at Noon so I should be done vomiting by my next meal. I also got some Xtend so I will be choking it down during the killer arm workout tonight. Does this stuff really taste as bad as people say it does?

What did you think about the pics?

**Fitnfirm** · 06-22-2006, 05:00 PM

LOL, Watermelon Xtend is awesome!!!!!!! I wish I could drink it all day! You will appreciate it more when you use it and see the recovery

97muscle · 06-22-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitnfirm

LOL, Watermelon Xtend is awesome!!!!!!! I wish I could drink it all day! You will appreciate it more when you use it and see the recovery

Cool, I am pretty pumped to try it this evening. I have heard of people mixing it with Mt. Dew. I don't drink pop but I would think it might not be as effective.

**EME** · 06-22-2006, 05:14 PM

I love XTEND, and actually all my clients seem to love it also.
It may take you a few attempts to find the right amount of water for your taste.

It's an excellent product and one of the very few non ALRI products that I use now.

- EME

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Originally Posted by 97muscle

Cool I am about to take my first hit of it at Noon so I should be done vomiting by my next meal. I also got some Xtend so I will be choking it down during the killer arm workout tonight. Does this stuff really taste as bad as people say it does?

What did you think about the pics?

**Fitnfirm** · 06-22-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 97muscle

Cool, I am pretty pumped to try it this evening. I have heard of people mixing it with Mt. Dew. I don't drink pop but I would think it might not be as effective.

R U sure your not talking about Bulk CEE? cause that tastes like ASS!!!!! I used to mix it with Diet Mt. Dew. I have actually never heard anyone say they didnt like Xtend. Ive used both grape and watermelon, and watermelon is my favorite by far. Viper used 6 scoops based on his weight and mixes it in a half gallon jug of water. We use ours during workout. Im sure you will like it

97muscle · 06-22-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitnfirm

R U sure your not talking about Bulk CEE? cause that tastes like ASS!!!!! I used to mix it with Diet Mt. Dew. I have actually never heard anyone say they didnt like Xtend. Ive used both grape and watermelon, and watermelon is my favorite by far. Viper used 6 scoops based on his weight and mixes it in a half gallon jug of water. We use ours during workout. Im sure you will like it

I am pretty sure that they were talking about Xtend, but maybe they didn't even try it in water before they mixed it with the Dew. I have grown a pretty high tolerance for nasty tasting supps so if it is 1/2 as good as you say it is I should love it.

The first serving of Flax wasn't bad at all, I could barely even taste it. I chased it with a bite of turkey sandwich.

97muscle · 06-22-2006, 08:22 PM

Here are some pics from last year that I just found.

97muscle · 06-23-2006, 03:29 PM

Well since my computer just crashed and I lost all that I just typed here we go again!!!

Yesterday I had my first serving off Xtend and Flax and I would have to say that Xtend is delicious and the Flax wasn't bad at all. I don't know if this was the Xtend or not but I felt super energized in the gym and my focus was out of this world.

Arms:
SuperSet
Straight Bar Curls: 80x6(3)
Preacher Curls: 90x6(3)

Concentration Curls: 30x6(3)

Close Grip Bench Press: 185x6(3) wrist hurt a bit

Skull Crushers: 100x6(3)

Kickbacks: 25x6(2), 30x6 (this will be my starting weight)

Flat Crunches 3 15-20

PM Weight: 175
Am Weight: 172.5

Cals: 3549
Fat: 693 = .20
Carbs: 1552 = .44
Protein: 1304 = .37

I have noticed some increased pain in my elbows and wrist, which could be attributed to the heavy BB Shrugs. I will just warm up more before hitting the heavy weight. Tonight is Leg Night, I can't wait.

Legs:
Barbell Squats
Stiff Leg Deadlift
Seated Leg Extensions
Seated Leg Curls
Standing Calf Raises
Weighted Decline Crunches

Let the Pain begin

97muscle · 06-23-2006, 03:34 PM

Here is some more feedback from the same person questioning the plan.

Taking the high end for all levels, we get 60% n-3, 20% n-6 and 20% n-9.

Your consultant has you taking ONE tablespoon of flax oil daily.

In a tablespoon (15g), this is what he's claiming:
9g n-3
3g n-6
3g n-9

The MOST n-3 you're gonna get out of this source is 16% (the highest conversion rate of ALA to EPA/DHA I could find on pubmed, and I don't actually believe it (very old reference) - recent research suggests it's in the range of 0.02% - 3%) of 57% (the proportion of ALA in flax oil) of 15g (the number of grams in a tablespoon).

Doing the math (that degree DO come in handy sometimes … ) means this tablespoon of flax oil will give you, AT MOST, a WHOPPING 1.4g of usable EPA/DHA.

I don't actually believe it will be that high, either. It's probably more like 0.25 g of EPA/DHA at the MOST from this tablespoon of oil.

I get 3g of bioavailable EPA/DHA out of my 10g of fish oil, and I'm smaller than you, and cutting.

Why he has you on SUCH uber-low fats on a bulk is beyond me. But you aren't likely to see much in the way of partitioning benefits from EPA/DHA in such low doses.

And you'll still be getting some fats from the rest of your diet, no? What does he have you taking for saturated fats. You DO know they're necessary for test production, right?

Re Udos - I'm careful to avoid it, because it's a balanced oil. I'd rather just supplement with the stuff that I need, and enjoy the healthy and tasty fats that are already in my diet

**Fitnfirm** · 06-23-2006, 04:35 PM

97Muscle, this is the choice you make when you do a good deed for your body, You put your trust in a person who walks the talk. IT should not be up for debate. No need to make it confusing. I put all my trust in EME and its been well worth it.

97muscle · 06-23-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitnfirm

97Muscle, this is the choice you make when you do a good deed for your body, You put your trust in a person who walks the talk. IT should not be up for debate. No need to make it confusing. I put all my trust in EME and its been well worth it.

Well said, and I trust in him too. I am just keeping this same log on 3 other sites and it is hard to defend the choices EME has made concerning my plan. If I had the answers I wouldn't need him. I don't want to just get into arguments or sluff them off because then it would seem like they have won in proving that EME's program is a joke. I just wish that I had the knowledge to explain his reasoning.

**Fitnfirm** · 06-23-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 97muscle

Well said, and I trust in him too. I am just keeping this same log on 3 other sites and it is hard to defend the choices EME has made concerning my plan. If I had the answers I wouldn't need him. I don't want to just get into arguments or sluff them off because then it would seem like they have won in proving that EME's program is a joke. I just wish that I had the knowledge to explain his reasoning.

I see what you are saying, But here is how it is for me.......This is my plan and if you want to follow my progress great, but I do not have to defend anything, the plan is not up for a debate. D These people on other boards, where were they when you were on your own? where they helpful then? I doubt it!!!! It boils down to respect, Respect what others do with their own diet/ training, do not pass judgement, but please do be supportive. They may want some propietary info as well. Unfortunately there are others out there who would like nothing better than to see you fail as well.

What other sites are you logging at ? I do 3 as well. No one has ever questioned info in any of my logs, Hmmmmm I bet because I showed great results the last 12 weeks huh! Always having strength increases etc. The current log I get women saying WOW look at those calories

but thats it, they know im bulking. And also remember what works for one, does not mean it works for another.

Oh, are any of these people wearing titles from competition shows???? DO you see them in magazines????? Are they there every minute of the day to help you when YOU need it? I doubt it all!

**EME** · 06-23-2006, 05:29 PM

You shouldn't feel the need to defend anything.

You aren't asking them what you should do, you are telling them, and showing the results.

Honestly, I don't particularly care what others think of my programs.

I have been doing this for more than 20 years, without steroids, and between Kendra and I, and my clients, my methods have achieved success at every level of bodybuilding, from the local level to the IFBB Professional stage.

Kendra, following my training and diet methods, walked off the stage at the NPC Nationals ( the toughest amateur Bodybuilding and Fitness contest in the world) with 1st place votes from every single judge in both both rounds of the physique competition.... and remember that Kendra is a lifetime natural competitor and was standing on stage with 17 other girls, many ( if not most ) of which were nothing close to being natural.

I have completely changed people's physiques, naturally, doing things that many other "trainers" haven't been able to achieve with stacks of illegal drugs.

Heck, let's just look at this picture for instance...These results were achieved, without drugs, following a very similar diet and training program to the one you are on now.
I put on 37 pounds over 16 weeks during this phase and still had visible abs and veins everywhere.

I would much rather talk about results than spend time debating about flax oil vs. fish oil.

If you follow the plan I give you, and you stick to it, and bust your ass training, you will get big results also. I have never had a client not get results who actually followed the program I gave them as designed.

So..... don't even worry about debating with people.
If they want to take a different approach, wish them well!

- EME

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Originally Posted by 97muscle

Well said, and I trust in him too. I am just keeping this same log on 3 other sites and it is hard to defend the choices EME has made concerning my plan. If I had the answers I wouldn't need him. I don't want to just get into arguments or sluff them off because then it

06-22-2006, 04:38 PM	#31
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,265 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	I have to disagree with the blanket statement about Flax oil above. Not that I think Fish Oil is bad, but there is more involved. The key to proper EFA intake is total dietary intake and ratios of EFA's Most people take in way too much Omega-6 oil ( from vegetable oil ) and way to little Omega-3 Oil ( From Ocean Fish, Fish Oil, Flax Oil, etc ) The average American Diet is 25-1 Omega-6 to Omega-3. Depending on who you agree with, the recommended ratio is varies between 3-1 and 10-1 Omega-6 to Omega-3. Either way, it's a much smaller ratio than normally found in the typical diet. So, if you are taking in large quantities of vegetable oil, then taking Flax oil is not going to help you correct the imbalance as well as Fish Oil will. However, the diet I have you on is not naturally high in vegetable oil or Omega-6 oil, so you need to supplement with a mixture of both for optimal EFA intake. Most Flax seed oil contains the following ratios of Omega Fatty Acids per 2g Omega-3 900-1200 mg (45-60%), Omega-6 260-400 mg (13-20%), Omega-9 280-400 mg (14-20%)* When combined with the higher ratio of Omega-6 oils contained in the other foods in your weekly diet you are now getting a healthy ratio of EFA's. Fish oil is very useful for bringing up the ratio of Omega-3 to Omega-6 in the diet, but in your case, where your overall fat intake is low, and much of it comes from supplementation, you want to use a fat source rich in both Omega-3 and Omega-6 EFA's. This is why I have included Flax oil in your plan instead of Fish Oil. - EME __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.MichaelandKendra.com Team Molecular Nutrition Creative Director FAME Media Group / World Natural Sports Organization Editor-In-Chief FAME Magazine www.FAMEWorldTour.com

06-23-2006, 03:29 PM	#41
97muscle Pro Stature Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 165 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	6-23-06 Day 4 Well since my computer just crashed and I lost all that I just typed here we go again!!! Yesterday I had my first serving off Xtend and Flax and I would have to say that Xtend is delicious and the Flax wasn't bad at all. I don't know if this was the Xtend or not but I felt super energized in the gym and my focus was out of this world. Arms: SuperSet Straight Bar Curls: 80x6(3) Preacher Curls: 90x6(3) Concentration Curls: 30x6(3) Close Grip Bench Press: 185x6(3) wrist hurt a bit Skull Crushers: 100x6(3) Kickbacks: 25x6(2), 30x6 (this will be my starting weight) Flat Crunches 3 15-20 PM Weight: 175 Am Weight: 172.5 Cals: 3549 Fat: 693 = .20 Carbs: 1552 = .44 Protein: 1304 = .37 I have noticed some increased pain in my elbows and wrist, which could be attributed to the heavy BB Shrugs. I will just warm up more before hitting the heavy weight. Tonight is Leg Night, I can't wait. Legs: Barbell Squats Stiff Leg Deadlift Seated Leg Extensions Seated Leg Curls Standing Calf Raises Weighted Decline Crunches Let the Pain begin __________________ "One's success is determined only by his/her effort and willingness to get back up when they fall." 97muscle 12 Week Transformation: www.anabolicbeast.com For "PERSONALIZED" Personal Training visit: www.MichaelElias.com www.KendraElias.com Proud Supporter of ALRI: www.alrindustries.com/index.html

06-23-2006, 03:34 PM	#42
97muscle Pro Stature Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 165 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	EME I need your help with this person Here is some more feedback from the same person questioning the plan. Taking the high end for all levels, we get 60% n-3, 20% n-6 and 20% n-9. Your consultant has you taking ONE tablespoon of flax oil daily. In a tablespoon (15g), this is what he's claiming: 9g n-3 3g n-6 3g n-9 The MOST n-3 you're gonna get out of this source is 16% (the highest conversion rate of ALA to EPA/DHA I could find on pubmed, and I don't actually believe it (very old reference) - recent research suggests it's in the range of 0.02% - 3%) of 57% (the proportion of ALA in flax oil) of 15g (the number of grams in a tablespoon). Doing the math (that degree DO come in handy sometimes … ) means this tablespoon of flax oil will give you, AT MOST, a WHOPPING 1.4g of usable EPA/DHA. I don't actually believe it will be that high, either. It's probably more like 0.25 g of EPA/DHA at the MOST from this tablespoon of oil. I get 3g of bioavailable EPA/DHA out of my 10g of fish oil, and I'm smaller than you, and cutting. Why he has you on SUCH uber-low fats on a bulk is beyond me. But you aren't likely to see much in the way of partitioning benefits from EPA/DHA in such low doses. And you'll still be getting some fats from the rest of your diet, no? What does he have you taking for saturated fats. You DO know they're necessary for test production, right? Re Udos - I'm careful to avoid it, because it's a balanced oil. I'd rather just supplement with the stuff that I need, and enjoy the healthy and tasty fats that are already in my diet __________________ "One's success is determined only by his/her effort and willingness to get back up when they fall." 97muscle 12 Week Transformation: www.anabolicbeast.com For "PERSONALIZED" Personal Training visit: www.MichaelElias.com www.KendraElias.com Proud Supporter of ALRI: www.alrindustries.com/index.html

06-22-2006, 05:00 PM	#35
Fitnfirm Spanky Doodle ! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Muscle Land Posts: 1,821 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 47	LOL, Watermelon Xtend is awesome!!!!!!! I wish I could drink it all day! You will appreciate it more when you use it and see the recovery

06-23-2006, 04:35 PM	#43
Fitnfirm Spanky Doodle ! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Muscle Land Posts: 1,821 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 47	97Muscle, this is the choice you make when you do a good deed for your body, You put your trust in a person who walks the talk. IT should not be up for debate. No need to make it confusing. I put all my trust in EME and its been well worth it.