| IronMass Forums Workout for newcomers to the iron game, Mark Rippetoe's (adjusted) Starting Strength Training Discuss Workout for newcomers to the iron game, Mark Rippetoe's (adjusted) Starting Strength in the Bodybuilding Science forums; This is a slight variation of Rippetoe's outstanding "Starting Strength" workout. I'm sure you've heard of it, this is my take on things. You train ... |
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| Amateur Join Date: Oct 2006
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Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5 | This is a slight variation of Rippetoe's outstanding "Starting Strength" workout. I'm sure you've heard of it, this is my take on things. You train on 3 nonconsecutive days per week: So week 1 might look like: Monday - Workout A Wednesday -Workout B Friday - Workout A Week 2: Monday - Workout B Wednesday - Workout A Friday - Workout B If you choose Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday as your workout days, the planets won't get knocked out of alignment, so don't sweat this one, as long as you get in 3 workouts on non-consecutive days each week. Dont' blow off workouts. Dont' adjust the workouts. You don't know enough about weight training to change it up properly, and neither does your 19-year old buddy who played football a few years ago and has nice arms. I've been squatting 400+ lbs longer than your buddy has been alive, and Mark Rippetoe has forgotten more about weight training than I'll ever hope to know, so don't screw with the workouts, mmkay? Waahhh...where's the direct work for teh hyoog biceptz? Don't sweat the arm training just yet. I think you'll be surprised how hard your arms will get hit. Give it a few weeks, and if you don't have sore arms by the weekend, then add in 2 sets, 8-12 reps of low incline skullcrushers/lying extensions and 2 sets, 8-12 reps Barbell, EZ-Bar or standing DB Curls on Fridays. DO NOT ADD THE ARM WORK RIGHT AWAY. Give it at least a few weeks. I'm betting you'll learn what I learned long ago...that direct arm work is highly overrated and can actually be counterproductive at times. You are just starting out, you will have enough DOMS from the rest of the work, if you add in arms now, it will actually SLOW your progress. Just wait a few weeks until you get some strength built, then add in SMALL amounts of direct arm work SLOWLY. The last thing you want to do is hinder your overall progress because the long head of your triceps are trashed. Here are the workouts, from Rippetoe's Starting Strength, with a slight twist (I add chinups and dips). Go to www.startingstrength.com and pick up your own copy, there are 200+ pages of good shit for a skinny dude (and anyone else who cares about getting big and strong). I've been lifting weights for over 20 years, and this guy cuts right to the heart of the matter, and if I learned, I'll bet you will too. The nuances for exercise technique performance are outstanding. I'm as arrogant and egotistical as it gets, but this guy's knowledge shits all over mine. anyway, here are the adjusted workouts (sets x reps, not including warmup sets): Workout A 3x5 Squat 3x5 Bench Press 1x5 Deadlift 2x5-8 dips (only add weight if you are doing >10 bodyweight dips) Workout B 3x5 Squat 3x5 Standing military press 3x5 Pendlay Rows (or power cleans for 5x3, 5 sets of 3 reps apiece) 2x5-8 chinups ***if you do the power cleans, do 3 sets of chinups*** Fridays only (Not earlier than 3 weeks into program) - Parallel Bar dips or incline skullcrushers - 2 x 8-12 barbell/DB/EZ-Bar curls - 2 x 8-12 Daily accessory work: -45 degree Decline bench weighted situps, 3x8 (hold body parallel to ground for static 5 seconds each repetition on the way down, then go down slowly and come back up) -Hyperextensions - 3x8 (hold weight across chest or small barbell across back, and don't swing past parallel) - reverse hypers are preferable, but I don't know too many gyms with a reverse hyper. Chinups are performed with undergrip or hammer grip, or if you are able, a wider overhand grip. Pick one hand spacing, stick to it, and get better at it. If you are very light (and have a strong set of lats and a flexible shoulder girdle), you can do BTN pullups with a medium-wide grip instead. Dips are done "deep", but do NOT drop into the bottom position and bounce/swing your way out. Add weight if necessary to keep rep range at 5-8 or so reps (if you do sets of 8-10, then you won't die and cripple your training progress, so don't sweat the reps on the chinnie-chins or dippidy-dips) If you can't do chins by yourself, then get your buddy to hold your feet, or use an incline bench to put your feet on to "lighten" the load. Use as little as need be to copmlete the positive (pulling up) part, and then use your own strength to lower yourself. Use the same weight for each exercise. i.e. 3x5 squats means 3 sets, 5 reps on the squat, using the same weight for all sets. This is known as "sets across", as opposed to "ramping", where you increase the weight on each work set. You aren't going to failure on all 3 sets. The idea is to get practice at the most critical mass-building exercise known to mankind. If you get all 15 reps (3 sets of 5) of the squat with good technique, going low enough, no bouncing out of the bottom, going low enough, no excessive forward lean, going low enough, ensuring your knees aren't wobbling back and forth, going low enough, driving hips forward, going low enough, etc (did I mention that you need to make sure you go low enough?) then add 5-10 lbs to the bar next time you hit them. For bench, no bouncing, feet on the floor, keep your damn ass on the bench. Did I mention NO BOUNCING???? Don't bounce. Elbows at approximately 45-60 degrees from body, shoulder blades 'tucked' underneath, comfortably maintained arch in lower back. For deadlift, no "heaving", it's a slow, steady pull. Go here and watch one of the best ever perform the deadlift: http://media.putfile.com/benni Go here for an explanation of how to do the power clean and squat properly: http://www.aceathlete.com/hatch/video.htm look at the little links on the right and you'll see. 18-year old powerhouse under the instruction of an old-school Olympic lifting teacher. Great little videos. If you desire, you can do the "HCP" - hanging clean and press, in place of the standing military press, and follow this up with the pendlay rows. The hanging clean is essentially a clean done from knee level instead of the floor. You stand up with the bar, bend your knees, keep your torso upright. You bend your knees and allow the bar to travel downward just to your knees, then you explosively straighten your legs, perform a power shrug/upright row, and flip your arms underneath the bar, just like in a regular clean. From there, use a bit of leg drive and push-press the weight overhead. Then control the weight back down. If you are comfortable doing power cleans and would prefer them, then just do power cleans and standing military press. If not, do the Pendlay rows instead, and do only 2 sets of chinups instead of 3, since pendlay rows work your lats a bit more, and power cleans work your lower body, delts and traps a bit more. Each of those options are great options. Here's how you do a Pendlay row. 1) Maintaining a PERFECTLY PARALLEL upper body is the key. Once you get your hips in position, do NOT use hip extension, knee extension, leg drive, etc to move the weight. 2) You use a relatively wide grip (I keep pinkies approximately 1/2" inside outer knurling on standard Olympic bar), and pull the bar into your lower ribcage/upper gut area. Some people will argue that a close grip is better, and for chinups, I would agree. For rows, I disagree. The line-of-pull argument doesn't fly here. 3) You must "deload" between *every* repetition. That is, you actually put the bar down and release your grip so that you remove any type of static tension in the muscles at that time. DO THIS! It is almost counter-intuitive, and I resisted doing this for quite some time. After all, I have lifted 20 years and never deloaded between reps, why should I start now? HA! I was a dumbass, and now I deload EVERY row I do, T-Bar, Barbell AND DB. Learn from my mistake. :P Step-by-step: Start off with the bar on the floor. Get your body into a parallel position initially. Keeping your upper body parallel, allow your shoulder blades to roll forward so that you can grip the bar as explained above. Without standing upright at all, explosively contract your shoulder blades together, and KEEP YOUR HIPS MOTIONLESS. There is *no* movement at the hips, i.e. do NOT stand up during this motion, you maintain the parallel upper body position throughout. Your lower lats arch hard, your elbows pull outward and behind the body, but you do not stand up at all. Slam the bar into your upper gut/lower ribcage, then control the weight downward while maintaining the parallel upper body position. If you are able to row more than 135 with this exercise, use 35s so that you can get a better range of motion while pulling from more of a stretch position. Stand on a low, wide box if need be, or stand on some 45s stacked. Use less weight on this exercise than on normal 45 degree rows. Significant reduction in weight, significant increase in lat stimulation. You can do these with the deweighting at the bottom, or for variety, do them with continuous tension, i.e. don't deweight at the bottom of the exercise. As you get up in weight, you will, almost through necessity, stand up a bit. Try to resist this as best you can. You are going to need to eat like mad if you are a skinny bastid. Unless you eat junk food and drink Coke and Pepsi constantly, you don't eat enough. As Mark Rippetoe said, he tells his kids that they have to drink a gallon of whole milk each day, and get kicked out of an all-you-can-eat buffet at least twice weekly. Do you have the ability to eat 3500-4000 calories EVERY day without consuming tons of junk food? Nothing wrong with eating pizza and a double cheeseburger (or two!) every day, as long as you keep lifting hard. Dump the candy, soft drinks, donuts, cookies, etc....stuff that is high in calories with no protein or nutritive value. You want *quality* calories. Convince Mom to buy seven pounds of the 93% ground beef, and finish off an entire Hamburger Helper or Mac-n-cheese box with a pound of ground beef daily, as well as 2 or 3 peanut butter and banana sandwiches and as much whole milk as you can stomach. Don't like hamburger helper? Don't like mac-n-cheese? Make a bunch of spaghetti noodles or some rice or corn and peas, baked beans, potatoes. And eat dead animal. Lots of it. Don't want to eat a pound of ground beef? EGGS! Eat them! All of them! Keep those chicken farmers in business! The grocery bill is going to knock mom for a loop. Do your chores, wash the dishes, keep your room clean, etc, and Mom probably wont' freak out too much. Make no mistake. The best weight training program will make you strong, but it won't make you big. Weight lifting does NOT make you big. It makes you strong. Eating properly is what makes you big. If you eat a ton of calories without the weights, you get fat. Eat a ton of calories WITH your weight/strength training, and you get big, strong muscles. If you do this program for 4 weeks and you haven't gained weight, then you simply aren't eating enough food. If you think you're eating enough, you are wrong, or the scale will move. This is intended for newbs, ESPECIALLY teens and young adults, who are just starting off with their training. It is also applicable for someone with weight training experience who hasn't really worked their squats or deadlifts hard, or for someone who is getting back into shape and can rely on muscle memory. Train this for as long as you can. If you get stuck at a weight, do a "reset", i.e. cycle back a few weeks and work your way back up. If you get to the point where you feel like shit, your body aches, you can't sleep although you're tired all the time, your appetite has gone down the drain, etc and you aren't able to add weight to the bar (or especially if you notice yourself getting weaker), then the next week, work up to a medium-heavy set of 5 onthe squat, bench, and row, take Wednesday's workout off, and then work up to a top set of 3-5 on the squat, bench and row. You can do that for 1 or 2 weeks, then start all over again, perhaps on a linear 5x5 or some other type of program. |
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| Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005
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Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7 | This is a great read. I don't agree with some of the nutritional stuff but the rest is solid. I've been contemplating switching to rippetoe for a while now from push pull legs. |
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| Amateur Join Date: Oct 2006
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Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5 | the dietary stuff is for a skinny teenager who is still growing, both vertically (height-wise) as well as thickness wise, hence the retarded amount of calories. i couldn't eat that way, to be sure, but when I was a teenager, I sure as hell could (in fact, that's what I did) |
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| Pro Stature Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 49 | awsome read! thanks for the post!
__________________ Obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated Stats: Weight: Between 200-205 depending on the day Bench: 265X5 atm. Squat: 360X5 atm.. Higest Ever 435 Deadlift: 420X3 Waist: 34 Arms: 17.5 cold .Pics Finally! http://www.ironmass.com/f16/nav-s-1-...ulk-12947.html |
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| New Member Join Date: Nov 2006
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Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0 | I am doing the exact same program right now, and keeping a log on these forums: http://ironmass.com/showthread.php?t=9332 |
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| Amateur Join Date: Oct 2006
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Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5 | excellent idea. The potential for growth with both newbs, teenagers, dudes on their first cycle of steroids and for guys/gals who are just "getting back into shape" is pretty much outstanding. Rippetoe's track record speaks for itself, and honestly, if you check our forums where newbs hang out, like bb.com, you'll find, literally, dozens of "success stories" with this training plan. The idea is simple...practice makes perfect. You'll get much better if you practice the "5 or 6 most important things", rather than trying to practice 20 things. You learn how to dribble, pass and shoot, i.e. "the basics" before you learn technical crap like formations, drop passes, fancy plays, etc. Get those basics/fundamentals down perfectly so that they are second nature, and you are setting yourself up for success. |
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