kethnaab

I have used various forms of HIT, various forms of "volume training", various forms of powerlifting-style training, various upper/lower and push/pull routines, as well as various forms of bodypart splits, and I have found that each has its own merits and drawbacks.

I have found that when trying to get HONEST discussion about HIT going, however HIT threads frequently degenerate into "flame-fests", and I'd like to avoid that. I'd also like to avoid the "semi/pseudo-science" that also arises, where people start dropping "research" articles to "support" their claims. Honestly, by now most people realize that there is a "research study" that supports EVERYTHING, be it training, supplementation, or diet. Need a study to support HIIT's superiority? Not too tough to find. Need a study to support <any amount of> volume training being superior? It's out there. Wonder if <whatever> supplement works? I bet there's a study that will support the idea that <whatever> supplement works WONDERFULLY.

No studies, no flaming, just common sense discussion, if possible.

Again, HIT works...sometimes. Volume works...sometimes. Just about ANYTHING works...sometimes, so let's not get into that either.

Specifically, dealing with HIT, I have the following questions of any HIT-o-philes here

1) What are the driving "principles" that govern what is, and what isn't "HIT" training? i.e. how can I look at a routine and say "that guy is doing a HIT routine"?

- I ask for a variety of reasons. I was "brought up" to think that HIT is "brief, infrequent, to failure training", however it seems that perhaps HIT is "evolving" into something else? Stuff like DC and Dorian Yates are trumpeted in some circles as being HIT, and I'd like to discuss this issue.

2) What constitutes "1 set to failure"?

- Deal specifically with issues such as rest/pause and drop-set techniques

3) If you used HIT and had it work "wonders" for you, exactly how did you train IMMEDIATELY PRIOR to your HIT routine? In other words, for <x> months, you got horrible results from <program> then you switched to HIT and you grew almost overnight. I'd be very interested in hearing how you trained prior to switching over to HIT.

That's all for now. Not sure if there are any HIT people out there, as they sometimes tend to be somewhat "cultish" and they stick only to their own boards, but if you're out there, I'd be interested in some feedback.

Once again, PLEASE...no flaming/insults/stupidity. Thanks.

DJSTARER

these are legite questions. You might want to ask the linemen at PSU

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Current Stats:
474 Squat
601 Deadlift
320 Bench


Goals for next training cycle:

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kethnaab

well send 'em over here!

DJSTARER

nice wheels

__________________
My philosophies on training:

"Extreme training yields extreme results"

"Just because you can, does not mean you should"

"The best program is the one you are not doing"





Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass

PGA Professional of America


Current Stats:
474 Squat
601 Deadlift
320 Bench


Goals for next training cycle:

500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

powerman2000

Where's all the HIT advocates at?

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barzel

I Like HIT training.

and by my defenition HIT is when you do one working set one evry muscel grupe to failure.

but I think for it to work you have to do a lot of warm up sets and well thats kind of like wolume training.

reading WSB and others you get the ide that HIT cant work well i think it cane. if you do proper warm up.

I have tryde back in the days like 10 years agoe to train hit with out proper warm up and well i diten get mutsch progress.

also you cant train proper hit alone course you need that last negative rep and ther is no way to do that alone,

i have tryed it and whas left with a shit load of kilos on my chest so i hade to tip it out to the side to get up not plesand.

now im doing DC and like it. But i sure miss a training partner to do it right. in my book DC is and evolution on HIT.

the benefits is you add weight every week and push the limit every week. and i think my gains have been wery good 6 kg or moor than 13 lbs in BW in 8 months

and thats after 10 years of next to no training and also im not that young any moor 34 years.

the down side of this kind of training is its easy to get hurt when you all the time add weight. so far i hade a bad shoulder injurie that kind of spoild my training for 3 months

and also im often close to spoiling my wrist. dont now the english woord for the condition but its coursed by the fluied crystalising in the wrist. do to over working.

now im keeping in the high rang of reps in DC and not going so heavy and hope to avoide any moor injuries

cheek my DC log and you cane see my results for your self
my DC log

hope you cane read this cours my english isent that good im Danish

barzel

HMM dont know if I actualy answerd any of you qustions.

1. HIT is one exercise for evry muscel grupe withe one set don to failurer, and it has to be in the low rang of reps.

EX. doing bench press with 40lbs and doing 200 reps is not HIT. but doing bench press with 40lbs, and doing 11 reps, and the last rep some one have to help you, get the bar up becourse ther is no way you cane do it by you self.
IS HIT.

2.look above failure means that ther is no way you cane lift for another rep, with out your form going completly bad.
in rest pause it gets tricky course you have to fight that part of the mind that says." hay i cant lift any moor course i have 2 sets moor to go" you have to push until you cant push no moor.

then wait and do it again its hard as H... but in my experience you get better results that way.

also if you have a good training partner you always stop the reps at the negativ. that is when ther is no way you cane lift any moor, your partner helps you to lift it up and, you do the negativ rep again then your partner helps you to rack the weight.

I havent done that my self course i dont have a good partner.

im not sure what you mean by drop-sets.