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Jordan×core · 06-14-2006, 12:02 AM

Would taking creatine before 2 hours of swim practice be the same as taking it before a workout?

A_N_91 · 06-14-2006, 12:40 AM

I know next to nothing about creatine, but aren't you supposed to take it right after you workout? But if it's definately before, isn't it like 30 minutes before?

Jordan×core · 06-14-2006, 02:58 AM

I dunno thats why I'm asking :P

**A.FreeRadical** · 06-14-2006, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan×core

I dunno thats why I'm asking :P

Creatine is a muscle volumizer. By making the muscle bigger it allows lifters to lift more than they would without it. The advantage of this is, by lifting heavier you can put more demands on the muscle and cause it to grow bigger in response to the heavier demand.

Creatine is not timed. You take double or triple the amount for a week or so to load your muscles, then you take an amount everyday thereafter to keep it loaded.

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Jeff Rage · 06-14-2006, 02:53 PM

It doesn't matter when you take creatine.

Also, there is no benifit to loading, exept that you'll reach your saturation level faster. Of course, it's so cheap now, that that isn't much of a concern.

**romanaz** · 06-14-2006, 02:59 PM

Creatine helps with Type II and Type IIb Muscle Fibers and gives you more explosive power, so unless your doing a short dash, creatine might not help you to much. But, its generally taken after your workout because it helps the muscle recover faster.

**madman911** · 06-14-2006, 05:17 PM

The exact timing doesn't matter, but creatine is best taken along with a simple carb like dextrose, along with some protein -- an insulin spike has been shown to result in increased creatine uptake. Most people take their creatine with a post-workout shake simply because this is when simple carbs are typically ingested to provide an anabolic insulin spike.

I thought you might be interested in this study:

Swim performance following creatine supplementation in Division III athletes.

Selsby JT, Beckett KD, Kern M, Devor ST.

Center for Exercise and Sport Science, University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611, USA.

Creatine (Cr) supplementation has yielded inconsistent results when applied to competitive swimming. To further define the role of Cr, we tested the hypothesis that a Cr supplementation group of Division III swimmers would demonstrate enhanced performance when compared with placebo. In order to test this hypothesis, 8 male and 7 female collegiate Division III swimmers were assigned in a random, double-blind manner into either a Cr supplementation group (0.3 g Cr.kg(-1) body mass) or a placebo group. Loading was maintained for 5 days followed by a 9-day period where Cr-supplemented subjects consumed 2.25 g Cr regardless of body weight. A 50- and 100-yd sprint was performed prior to and following the supplementation regimens. The Cr supplementation group decreased their finish times in both the 50- and 100-yd sprints. Support of the hypothesis suggests that Cr supplementation for swimming events is effective for singular effort sprints of 50 and 100 yd in Division III athletes.

**DJSTARER** · 06-14-2006, 06:32 PM

creatine will not help swimming to any significant extent. Swimming, even for short distances, is an aerobic activity. Creatine adds usable ATP to your internal energy system which enhances the ANAEROBIC reactions taking place during explosive movements.

It does not matter when you take creatine, as long as it is with a dextrose or simple sugar compound. This allows the chemical to be absorbed sufficiently into one's muscles and not become toxic.

Creatine is not a volumizer. Water is. The body's influx of water due to creatine intake is what makes one add weight and size.

The point regarding one's ability to lift heavier for longer is right on, and it is the factor that makes creatine so effective (not the added size).

Hybrid · 06-15-2006, 03:25 PM

Not so much true. During 50m and 100m you are very anaerobic. Especially the 100 fly.

Jordan×core · 06-15-2006, 03:50 PM

Yeah I'm a flyer as well

So would it be good if I took creatine before a Meet when I only swim short distances?

Hybrid · 06-16-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan×core

Yeah I'm a flyer as well

So would it be good if I took creatine before a Meet when I only swim short distances?

I'm not 100% sure on this one.....

A meet, yes. I believe that would help just a little, not like you're gonna drop more than .1 seconds just because of it. But practice.... I dunno.

Sometimes you get those sets (I dunno if you do, but I do... my coach says they are "purple" VO2 max sets... I believe he says VO2 max) that are so bad you get so much lactic acid you puke. That lets you know your anerobic, however, how much would creatine help? I doubt very much. You're anerobic for so long... I just dunno.

I also think alot of people don't understand how hard swimming is. That's why I'm a bit biased on the sport (if you hear me talk about it). I can't imagine what hell it would be like to be a pro.

Jordan×core · 06-16-2006, 08:43 PM

Haha

Yeah I decided not to take it before swim but I think I'm gonna take it after to volumize.

**Trick D** · 06-22-2006, 06:21 PM

I would take it before. Creatine helps with ATP with helps in Power and in swimming there could definitely be a significant amount of performance enhancement.

06-14-2006, 12:02 AM	#1
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06-14-2006, 02:58 AM	#3
Jordan×core Pro Stature Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 851 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 31	I dunno thats why I'm asking :P __________________ How did I fail women studies? I love bitches. If there is no enemy there is no fight...if there is no fight there is no victor...if there is no victor there is no crown.....now we have a enemy we have a fight and we will win the crown.

06-14-2006, 05:17 PM	#7
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,531 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	The exact timing doesn't matter, but creatine is best taken along with a simple carb like dextrose, along with some protein -- an insulin spike has been shown to result in increased creatine uptake. Most people take their creatine with a post-workout shake simply because this is when simple carbs are typically ingested to provide an anabolic insulin spike. I thought you might be interested in this study: Swim performance following creatine supplementation in Division III athletes. Selsby JT, Beckett KD, Kern M, Devor ST. Center for Exercise and Sport Science, University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611, USA. Creatine (Cr) supplementation has yielded inconsistent results when applied to competitive swimming. To further define the role of Cr, we tested the hypothesis that a Cr supplementation group of Division III swimmers would demonstrate enhanced performance when compared with placebo. In order to test this hypothesis, 8 male and 7 female collegiate Division III swimmers were assigned in a random, double-blind manner into either a Cr supplementation group (0.3 g Cr.kg(-1) body mass) or a placebo group. Loading was maintained for 5 days followed by a 9-day period where Cr-supplemented subjects consumed 2.25 g Cr regardless of body weight. A 50- and 100-yd sprint was performed prior to and following the supplementation regimens. The Cr supplementation group decreased their finish times in both the 50- and 100-yd sprints. Support of the hypothesis suggests that Cr supplementation for swimming events is effective for singular effort sprints of 50 and 100 yd in Division III athletes. __________________ Millennium Sport Technologies Sponsored Athlete http://www.millenniumsport.net IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

06-14-2006, 06:32 PM	#8
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,049 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 114	creatine will not help swimming to any significant extent. Swimming, even for short distances, is an aerobic activity. Creatine adds usable ATP to your internal energy system which enhances the ANAEROBIC reactions taking place during explosive movements. It does not matter when you take creatine, as long as it is with a dextrose or simple sugar compound. This allows the chemical to be absorbed sufficiently into one's muscles and not become toxic. Creatine is not a volumizer. Water is. The body's influx of water due to creatine intake is what makes one add weight and size. The point regarding one's ability to lift heavier for longer is right on, and it is the factor that makes creatine so effective (not the added size). __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

06-15-2006, 03:25 PM	#9
Hybrid IMPC Contestant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gibsonia PA Posts: 824 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 13	Not so much true. During 50m and 100m you are very anaerobic. Especially the 100 fly. __________________ If you even dream about beating me you'd better wake up and apologize - Muhammad Ali

06-14-2006, 12:40 AM	#2
A_N_91 Pro Stature Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 849 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	I know next to nothing about creatine, but aren't you supposed to take it right after you workout? But if it's definately before, isn't it like 30 minutes before?

06-14-2006, 02:53 PM	#5
Jeff Rage Amateur Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 84 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	It doesn't matter when you take creatine. Also, there is no benifit to loading, exept that you'll reach your saturation level faster. Of course, it's so cheap now, that that isn't much of a concern.

06-15-2006, 03:50 PM	#10
Jordan×core Pro Stature Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 851 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 31	Yeah I'm a flyer as well So would it be good if I took creatine before a Meet when I only swim short distances? __________________ How did I fail women studies? I love bitches. If there is no enemy there is no fight...if there is no fight there is no victor...if there is no victor there is no crown.....now we have a enemy we have a fight and we will win the crown.

06-16-2006, 08:43 PM	#12
Jordan×core Pro Stature Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 851 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 31	Haha Yeah I decided not to take it before swim but I think I'm gonna take it after to volumize. __________________ How did I fail women studies? I love bitches. If there is no enemy there is no fight...if there is no fight there is no victor...if there is no victor there is no crown.....now we have a enemy we have a fight and we will win the crown.

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