Max-OT, HIT, or DoggCrapp?

Psychoholic · 07-08-2006, 03:27 AM

So I pretty much have reached the point of obsession and spend almost every day reading nothing but training technique and the science behind it. I've spent the last week or so reading up on DC pretty heavily and it makes alot of sense. Previously I stuck to the Max-OT to the letter for the full duration of the training and saw really decent results with it. I've tried HST, HIT, DC, Max-OT and a few other acronyms as well, and I'm currently doing DC.

Does anybody have an opinion as to what really works the best based on their own experience? (I know the old 'whatever works best for your body' line, but I'm curious if we have any die-hards towards one training style or another).

I'm trying to train to compete by mid 2007, so I'm really looking for what approach has shown the most improvements.

Chris

**DJSTARER** · 07-08-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychoholic

So I pretty much have reached the point of obsession and spend almost every day reading nothing but training technique and the science behind it. I've spent the last week or so reading up on DC pretty heavily and it makes alot of sense. Previously I stuck to the Max-OT to the letter for the full duration of the training and saw really decent results with it. I've tried HST, HIT, DC, Max-OT and a few other acronyms as well, and I'm currently doing DC.

Does anybody have an opinion as to what really works the best based on their own experience? (I know the old 'whatever works best for your body' line, but I'm curious if we have any die-hards towards one training style or another).

I'm trying to train to compete by mid 2007, so I'm really looking for what approach has shown the most improvements.

Chris

I'm going to give you my opinion. They are all proven to work, some for beginners, some for strength and some for size. They all do basically the same thing. The key is proper periodization. That is one thing I am completely sold on. As long as you lift with a level of urgency, use compound movements, leave enough time to rest between sets and workouts, try to beat yourself in the log book, and stay safe.... you'll grow the same on any program. They are all based around similar principles with minor variations in intensity/volume and the way they are split. Simple as that.

Personally, I don't follow a routine. I use the moves I've had best success with, the rep ranges which have made me stronger and grow the fastest, and the amount of rest I need for proper healing.

... diet is everything else.

and Don't forget your multi

Ihateeveryone · 07-09-2006, 03:22 AM

Well, I pyramid my weights, and perform up to 20 sets per bodypart (20 back, 12 quads, 8 hams, 13 chest, 11 delts, 9 each for bis and tris). What is that classified as?

By the way - don't give me shit about overtraining - my delts and back especially have never grown like they did once I started doing this stuff.

nextteenamateur · 07-09-2006, 02:33 PM

Westside.

**madman911** · 07-09-2006, 04:43 PM

I'm not a big advocate of programs. I kinda like Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do philosophy where you do what is most appropriate and effective in a given situation as opposed to sticking with a narrow set of rules or guidelines. Bruce used his philosophy to create a more effective fighting style than is found in the ridged teaching of traditional Kung Fu styles and having that mindset applies very nicely to bodybuilding. I adopt some of the methods from programs, to add them to my arsenal of knowledge, but I don't, and never will, follow a program to a "T". I do what feels right at the time for my body. If I don't feel particularly strong on a given day, I'll use lighter weights and increase the time under tension and do more reps. If I feel strong, I'll push heavier weights and do fewer reps. I may do drop sets or pyramids if I feel like it or do some explosive reps. I let my body and state of mind decide how I should train that day... which also makes training more fun, rather than repitious and boring. The only absolute requirements for sucess are that you lift with intensity, train consistently, and diet is also key.

malek256 · 07-09-2006, 06:26 PM

I have tried Max-OT. The big problem there is insufficient down time to allow for connective tissue recovery, though I do like the focus on brief, intense cardio.

Like DJSTARER said there's also limited periodization - at some point going heavy, heavy, heavy will stall you out either by CNS depletion, hitting your lift maximums or injury setting in (maybe RSI or otherwise). HIT is worse for this.

DC's strategy for that is more or less rest plus switching exercises and is the only one of the options you've listed I would follow. I am intrigued by it and may be giving it a go, I'm deciding over the next 2 weeks as I'm just done cutting (down to 7.28%).

Until now I have tried a number of approaches - currently prefer to alternate intense lifts with a volume phase - (I wrote this up for some other guys to use as "Odd/Even" training, sometimes called "Brute/Volume" - you can check it as Check it here if you'd like) but this is really more of an Intermediate level approach, probably insufficient for competition.

HST is too much paperwork honestly.

Psychoholic · 07-09-2006, 11:31 PM

I've traditionally gone a couple of months lifting heavy for low reps, then switch it up for more volume for a while, then back to lifting heavy. I seem to build more solid muscle going heavy, but I get more of a pump when going with volume and after a while it's nice to get that pump.

**powerman2000** · 07-10-2006, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychoholic

I've traditionally gone a couple of months lifting heavy for low reps, then switch it up for more volume for a while, then back to lifting heavy. I seem to build more solid muscle going heavy, but I get more of a pump when going with volume and after a while it's nice to get that pump.

If you are only training your muscle groups 1x per week, that is a big mistake and I would recommend DFHT.

I obviously adhere to the periodization rule as well.

07-08-2006, 03:27 AM	#1
Psychoholic IronMass Donator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 573 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 21	Max-OT, HIT, or DoggCrapp? So I pretty much have reached the point of obsession and spend almost every day reading nothing but training technique and the science behind it. I've spent the last week or so reading up on DC pretty heavily and it makes alot of sense. Previously I stuck to the Max-OT to the letter for the full duration of the training and saw really decent results with it. I've tried HST, HIT, DC, Max-OT and a few other acronyms as well, and I'm currently doing DC. Does anybody have an opinion as to what really works the best based on their own experience? (I know the old 'whatever works best for your body' line, but I'm curious if we have any die-hards towards one training style or another). I'm trying to train to compete by mid 2007, so I'm really looking for what approach has shown the most improvements. Chris

07-09-2006, 03:22 AM	#3
Ihateeveryone Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Castle of Blakkheim Posts: 752 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	Well, I pyramid my weights, and perform up to 20 sets per bodypart (20 back, 12 quads, 8 hams, 13 chest, 11 delts, 9 each for bis and tris). What is that classified as? By the way - don't give me shit about overtraining - my delts and back especially have never grown like they did once I started doing this stuff. __________________ Bullshit things: Hippies Astrology Rap music Nu metal Leg presses Communism Nitric Oxide Left wing politics Decaf coffee Fortune cookies Cutting Prudes Wine coolers Non materialism F**k marijuana - legalise steroids!! Bart: Ohhh, this place smells, and somethings dripping on me! Willie: The smell's manure, and the drippin's manure!

07-09-2006, 02:33 PM	#4
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07-09-2006, 04:43 PM	#5
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,529 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	I'm not a big advocate of programs. I kinda like Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do philosophy where you do what is most appropriate and effective in a given situation as opposed to sticking with a narrow set of rules or guidelines. Bruce used his philosophy to create a more effective fighting style than is found in the ridged teaching of traditional Kung Fu styles and having that mindset applies very nicely to bodybuilding. I adopt some of the methods from programs, to add them to my arsenal of knowledge, but I don't, and never will, follow a program to a "T". I do what feels right at the time for my body. If I don't feel particularly strong on a given day, I'll use lighter weights and increase the time under tension and do more reps. If I feel strong, I'll push heavier weights and do fewer reps. I may do drop sets or pyramids if I feel like it or do some explosive reps. I let my body and state of mind decide how I should train that day... which also makes training more fun, rather than repitious and boring. The only absolute requirements for sucess are that you lift with intensity, train consistently, and diet is also key. __________________ Millennium Sport Technologies Sponsored Athlete http://www.millenniumsport.net IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

07-09-2006, 06:26 PM	#6
malek256 Amateur Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 28 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	I have tried Max-OT. The big problem there is insufficient down time to allow for connective tissue recovery, though I do like the focus on brief, intense cardio. Like DJSTARER said there's also limited periodization - at some point going heavy, heavy, heavy will stall you out either by CNS depletion, hitting your lift maximums or injury setting in (maybe RSI or otherwise). HIT is worse for this. DC's strategy for that is more or less rest plus switching exercises and is the only one of the options you've listed I would follow. I am intrigued by it and may be giving it a go, I'm deciding over the next 2 weeks as I'm just done cutting (down to 7.28%). Until now I have tried a number of approaches - currently prefer to alternate intense lifts with a volume phase - (I wrote this up for some other guys to use as "Odd/Even" training, sometimes called "Brute/Volume" - you can check it as Check it here if you'd like) but this is really more of an Intermediate level approach, probably insufficient for competition. HST is too much paperwork honestly. __________________ Point blank, nobody wants to do what it takes to have a hard, healthy body — they want a soft life instead. — gaining mass

07-09-2006, 11:31 PM	#7
Psychoholic IronMass Donator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 573 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 21	I've traditionally gone a couple of months lifting heavy for low reps, then switch it up for more volume for a while, then back to lifting heavy. I seem to build more solid muscle going heavy, but I get more of a pump when going with volume and after a while it's nice to get that pump.

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