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Old 10-29-2005, 10:57 PM   #1
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Arrow How To Increase Compound Exercises

I would like to hear everyone's opinions on how to increase their lifts for most compound exercises.

We'll sort of make a little game out of it I guess. I want to hear everyone's opinion on a few select exercises and how to increase them. Throw in some special things you can do and the basic things you should always be doing etc. I will share my theories as well to everyone. I will post it up after at least 5 people have helped out and contributed.

How do you improve the...
Bench Press
Squat
Deadlift
Clean

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by eating enough and pushing yourself to improve either the reps or the weight every workout.
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by eating enough and pushing yourself to improve either the reps or the weight every workout.
Thanks for contributing Skelooth.
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Always there to lend a helping hand!

I have no specific techniques, but I do know my strength goes up much faster doing a high weight low rep routine. I also always do my compound lifts first thing in every workout.
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Yup, I will explain later a lot more techniques to use to help increase them.
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add weight each week no matter how much it is. example 1/2 lbs
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Rest pause is a simple and great technique for improving strength.

One of my favorites is to gradualy increase the range of movement on any of the exercises. First only moving the weight 6 inches in bench press for example with much more weight than I can do full range of motion reps, after a few weeks I lower the pin in the power rack, and do that for a few weeks increasing the weight every week, until finaly I am at full range reps....

one thing to note however if you are trying to build muscle, as opposed to strength a more gradual increase in strength is probably more beneficial IMHO...
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I am probably going to show how much I don't know, but I will give this a shot.

Other than the clean, the others are standard powerlifting lifts. The short answer is to train like a powerlifter. That includes cycling through a program specifying % of 1 rrm for each week where you vary the % of 1 rm and the reps.

I am not sure I know all of the terminology, but some of the techniques are using boards and floor presses for the bench to overcome sticking points. On the squat, there are the various box squat exercises. For deads there is rack pulls and Romanian deadlifts. I guess, I know a little, but I am certainly not an expert and haven't really covered what I know very well.

Hopefully we will hear about this in more detail. I would be interested to learn. My squat and deadlift could use an assist.

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Man, talk about an open-ended question. There's entire magazines dedicated to that topic. Like Bubba, I'll throw in my two cents by answering a narrow scope of it.

Here's the lifts that have HELPED those lifts the most:

On the Bench Press... almost any front delt work is/was essential. This is my weak link (of pecs, tris, and delts), and all the close grips and inclines and DBs in the world weren't improving my anterior delts enough. So I added more front DB raises, BB front raises, standing military presses, etc.

Also pause benching, rack lockouts....

For Squats: Good mornings, no question whatsoever. I went through a phase for squat strength where I did almost no squatting. All I did was good mornings, heavy, with good form. And my squat went up big time. So did my dead, actually.

I'm not saying I have perfect form, but my form on squats is rock f-ing solid. And what helps me get out of a heavy hole is being able to GM whatever's on my back. Currently, I can GM as much as I can squat, and it gives me TONS of control on the heavy squats.

For deads... probably SLDLs, maybe hypers, GMs again, oblique work (seriously).... hard to say on that one. My dead is pretty good for my bvodyweight, but harder to say what the big helper lift was. Deads are almost TOO compound to answer like this.

Cleans. High Pulls. No question. I don't know anyone whose limiting portion of the clean is the front squat, so it's all about lifting explosively from the floor. Can't START with high pulls, of course, but that's the component that helped my clean. So much so that I rarely do full cleans. More PCs than anything else.
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I will second that. Ab work helps both deads and squats.
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Man, talk about an open-ended question. There's entire magazines dedicated to that topic. Like Bubba, I'll throw in my two cents by answering a narrow scope of it.

Here's the lifts that have HELPED those lifts the most:

On the Bench Press... almost any front delt work is/was essential. This is my weak link (of pecs, tris, and delts), and all the close grips and inclines and DBs in the world weren't improving my anterior delts enough. So I added more front DB raises, BB front raises, standing military presses, etc.

Also pause benching, rack lockouts....

For Squats: Good mornings, no question whatsoever. I went through a phase for squat strength where I did almost no squatting. All I did was good mornings, heavy, with good form. And my squat went up big time. So did my dead, actually.

I'm not saying I have perfect form, but my form on squats is rock f-ing solid. And what helps me get out of a heavy hole is being able to GM whatever's on my back. Currently, I can GM as much as I can squat, and it gives me TONS of control on the heavy squats.

For deads... probably SLDLs, maybe hypers, GMs again, oblique work (seriously).... hard to say on that one. My dead is pretty good for my bvodyweight, but harder to say what the big helper lift was. Deads are almost TOO compound to answer like this.

Cleans. High Pulls. No question. I don't know anyone whose limiting portion of the clean is the front squat, so it's all about lifting explosively from the floor. Can't START with high pulls, of course, but that's the component that helped my clean. So much so that I rarely do full cleans. More PCs than anything else.

Good info bro.. pause press is great for increasing the bottom part of the bench press..

Rack Deads will help inprove your deadlift.. again you can gradualy increase the range of motion....
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Man, talk about an open-ended question. There's entire magazines dedicated to that topic. Like Bubba, I'll throw in my two cents by answering a narrow scope of it.

Here's the lifts that have HELPED those lifts the most:

On the Bench Press... almost any front delt work is/was essential. This is my weak link (of pecs, tris, and delts), and all the close grips and inclines and DBs in the world weren't improving my anterior delts enough. So I added more front DB raises, BB front raises, standing military presses, etc.

Also pause benching, rack lockouts....

For Squats: Good mornings, no question whatsoever. I went through a phase for squat strength where I did almost no squatting. All I did was good mornings, heavy, with good form. And my squat went up big time. So did my dead, actually.

I'm not saying I have perfect form, but my form on squats is rock f-ing solid. And what helps me get out of a heavy hole is being able to GM whatever's on my back. Currently, I can GM as much as I can squat, and it gives me TONS of control on the heavy squats.

For deads... probably SLDLs, maybe hypers, GMs again, oblique work (seriously).... hard to say on that one. My dead is pretty good for my bvodyweight, but harder to say what the big helper lift was. Deads are almost TOO compound to answer like this.

Cleans. High Pulls. No question. I don't know anyone whose limiting portion of the clean is the front squat, so it's all about lifting explosively from the floor. Can't START with high pulls, of course, but that's the component that helped my clean. So much so that I rarely do full cleans. More PCs than anything else.
So what your trying to say is work supporting muscle groups. Your lift is only as strong as your weakest link. :hyper2:
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So what your trying to say is work supporting muscle groups. Your lift is only as strong as your weakest link. :hyper2:
But were my obliques really the weak link on my deads? Probably not. But their strength allowed my body to raise that bar more easily than before. I know that much.

Depends on the lift. Not always the weakest link.

But in general? Yep. Weakest link. A nice place to start.
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The Base

There should ALWAYS be a base to a program. Which should steadily make you grow and get bigger. Many people throw in more techniques or extra nutrients or supplements to keep the process going.
Good Nutrition + Training + Rest = Growth
(This is true, this should be your base for what you are doing)

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One thing that will really shoot this up is to figure if you have any weak points that could be hurting your bench press. The muscles a PLing Bench Press works is the back, triceps, and shoulders. So what do you do to improve that lift, obviously train those body parts. The next thing that will improve youe Bench Press is your form, and to increase your Bench, you need to master the CORRECT form during a Bench Press.

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1 - Train the Triceps
Years ago, if you had asked Larry Pacifico how to get a big bench, he'd
have told you to train the triceps. This same advice applies today. This
doesn't mean doing set after set of pushdowns, kickbacks, and other
so-called "shaping" exercises. Training your triceps for a big bench has
to involve heavy extensions and close-grip pressing movements such as
close-grip flat and incline bench presses, close-grip board presses, and
JM presses.

Various barbell and dumbbell extensions should also be staples of your
training program. Don't let anyone try to tell you the bench press is
about pec strength. These people don't know the correct way to bench and
are setting you up for a short pressing career with sub-par weights. I
just read an article in one of the major muscle magazines by one of
these authors on how to increase your bench press. The advice given was
to train your pecs with crossovers and flies and your bench will go up!
This, along with many other points, made me wonder how this article ever
got published or better yet, how much the author himself could bench.

I believe articles should go under a peer review board before they get
printed. I'd like many of my peers to review these authors in the gym or
better yet on the bench to see how much they really know. Bottom line:
Train the triceps!

2 - Keep your shoulder blades pulled together and tight.

This is a very important and often overlooked aspect of great bench
pressing. While pressing you have to create the most stable environment
possible. This can't be done if most of your shoulder blades are off the
bench. The bench is only so wide and we can't change this, but we can
change how we position ourselves on the bench.

When you pull your shoulder blades together you're creating a tighter,
more stable surface from which to press. This is because more of your
body is in contact with the bench. The tightness of your upper back also
contributes. These techniques also change the distance the bar will have
to travel. The key to pressing big weight is to press the shortest
distance possible.

3 - Keep the pressure on your upper back and traps.

This is another misunderstood aspect of pressing. You want the pressure
around the supporting muscles. This is accomplished by driving your feet
into the floor, thereby driving your body into the bench. Try this: Lie
on the bench and line up so your eyes are four inches in front of the
bar (toward your feet). Now using your legs, drive yourself into the
bench to put pressure on the upper back and traps. Your eyes should now
be even with the bar. This is the same pressure that needs to be applied
while pushing the barbell.

4 - Push the bar in a straight line.

Try to push the bar toward your feet. The shortest distance between two
points is a straight line, right? Then why in the world would some
coaches advocate pressing in a "J" line toward the rack? If I were to
bench the way most trainers are advocating (with my elbows out, bringing
the bar down to the chest and pressing toward the rack) my barbell
travel distance would be 16 inches. Now, if I pull my shoulder blades
together, tuck my chin and elbows, and bring the bar to my upper
abdominals or lower chest, then my pressing distance is only 6.5 inches.
Now which would you prefer? If you want to push up a bar-bending load of
plates, you'd choose the shorter distance.

Here's another important aspect of pressing in this style. By keeping
your shoulder blades together and your chin and elbows tucked, you'll
have less shoulder rotation when compared to the J-line method of
pressing. This is easy to see by watching how low the elbows drop in the
bottom part of the press when the barbell is on the chest. With the
elbows out, most everyone's elbows are far lower than the bench. This
creates a tremendous amount of shoulder rotation and strain.

Now try the same thing with the elbows tucked and shoulder blades
together while bringing the barbell to your upper abdominals. For most
people, the elbows are usually no lower than the bench. Less shoulder
rotation equals less strain on the shoulder joint. This means pressing
bigger weights for many more years. I've always been amazed at trainers
that suggest only doing the top half of the bench press, i.e. stopping
when the upper arms are parallel to the floor. This is done to avoid the
excess shoulder rotation. All they have to do is teach their clients the
proper way to bench in the first place!

5 - Keep the elbows tucked and the bar directly over the wrists and
elbows.


This is probably the most important aspect of great pressing technique.
The elbows must remain tucked to keep the bar in a straight line as
explained above. Keeping the elbows tucked will also allow lifters to
use their lats to drive the bar off the chest. Football players are
taught to drive their opponents with their elbows tucked, then explode
through. This is the same for bench pressing. Bench pressing is all
about generating force. You can generate far more force with your elbows
in a tucked position compared to an "elbows out" position.

The most important aspect of this is to keep the barbell in a direct
line with the elbow. If the barbell is behind the elbow toward the head,
then the arm position becomes similar to an extension, not a press.

6 - Bring the bar low on your chest or upper abdominals.

This is the only way you can maintain the "barbell to elbow" position as
described above. You may have heard the advice, "Bring it low" at almost
every powerlifting competition. This is the reason why. Once again, the
barbell must travel in a straight line.

7 - Fill your belly with air and hold it.

For maximum attempts and sets under three reps, you must try to hold
your air. Everyone must learn to breathe from their bellies and not
their chests. If you stand in front of the mirror and take a deep
breath, your shoulders shouldn't rise. If they do you're breathing the
air into your chest, not your belly. Greater stability can be achieved
in all the lifts when you learn how to pull air into the belly. Try to
expand and fill the belly with as much air as possible and hold it. If
you breathe out during a maximum attempt, the body structure will change
slightly, thus changing the groove in which the barbell is traveling.

8 - Train with compensatory acceleration.

Push the bar with maximal force. Whatever weight you're trying to push,
be it 40% or 100% of your max, you must learn to apply 100% of the force
to the barbell. If you can bench 500 pounds and are training with 300
pounds, you must then apply 500 pounds of force to the 300-pound
barbell. This is known as compensatory acceleration and it can help you
break through sticking points.

These sticking points are known as your "mini maxes," or the points at
which you miss the lift or the barbell begins to slip out of the groove.
Many times I'm asked what to do if the barbell gets stuck four to five
inches off the chest. Everybody wants to know what exercise will help
them strengthen this area or what body part is holding them back. Many
times it isn't what you do to strengthen the area where it sticks, but
what you can do to build more acceleration in the area before the mini
max. If you can get the bar moving with more force then there won't be a
sticking point. Instead, you'll blast right through it. Compensatory
acceleration will help you do this.
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9 - Squeeze the barbell and try to pull the bar apart!

Regardless of the lift, you have to keep your body as tight as Monica
Brant's behind. You'll never lift big weights if you're in a relaxed
physical state while under the barbell. The best way to get the body
tight is by squeezing the bar. We've also found that if you try to pull
the bar apart or "break the bar," the triceps seem to become more
activated.

10 - Devote one day per week to dynamic-effort training.

According to Vladimir Zatsiorsinsky in his text Science and Practice of
Strength Training, there are three ways to increase muscle tension.
These three methods include the dynamic-effort method, the
maximal-effort method, and the repetition method. Most training programs
being practiced in the US today only utilize one or two of these
methods. It's important, however, to use all three.

The bench press should be trained using the dynamic-effort method. This
method is best defined as training with sub-maximal weights (45 to 60%)
at maximal velocities. The key to this method is bar speed. Percentage
training can be very deceiving. The reason for this is because lifters
at higher levels have better motor control and recruit more muscle than
a less experienced lifter.

For example, the maximal amount of muscle you could possibility recruit
is 100%. Now, the advanced lifter _ after years of teaching his nervous
system to be efficient _ may be able to recruit 70 to 80% of muscle
fibers, while the intermediate might be able to recruit only 50%. Thus,
the advanced lifter would need less percent weight than the
intermediate. This is one of the reasons why an advanced lifter
squatting 80% of his max for 10 reps would kill himself while a beginner
could do it all day long.

If you base the training on bar speed, then the percentages are no
longer an issue, only a guideline. So how do you know where to start? If
you're an intermediate lifter, I suggest you start at 50% of maximal and
see how fast you can make it move for three reps. If you can move 20
more pounds with the same speed then use the heavier weight.

Based on years of experience and Primlin's charts for optimal percent
training, we've found the best range to be eight sets of three reps.
Based on Primlin's research, the optimal range for 70% and less is 12 to
24 repetitions.

We've also found it very beneficial to train the bench using three
different grips, all of which are performed within the rings. This may
break down into two sets with the pinky fingers on the rings, three sets
with three fingers from the smooth area of the bar and three sets with
one finger from the smooth area.


11 - Devote one day per week to maximal-effort training.

For the second bench day of the week (72 hours after the dynamic day)
you should concentrate on the maximal-effort method. This is best
defined as lifting maximal weights (90% to 100%) for one to three reps.
This is one of the best methods to develop maximal strength. The key
here is to strain. T