Sulcop's Basic cuts/glucophase test log

sulcop · 01-31-2006, 01:05 PM

Starting stats, I am a 40 year old male bodybuilder with 20 years contest experiance and 25 years of training. Past supplement use includes E.C. stacks and other fat burning products. I have never use AS or PH products, but I have used DHEA and &-keto-DHEA products. I have been selected to use Designer basic cuts and Glucophase XR. I am starting my cutting phase and current stats are below. My last contest was in November and I was 165# at around 3% for the OCB Yorton Cup Nationals. I hope to be guest posing ready by the end of March.

WEIGHT: 183.8
BODYFAT: 12.8% (7 site caliper)
MORNING PULSE: 56/BPM
MORNING TEMP: 96.2
MORNING B/P: 110/65
MEASUREMENTS:
chest: 44"
abbs: 32"
bicep: 18"
Quad: 25"
calf: 19" (this is why I do no direct calf work)

I have just come off the AX herbal hypertrophic test, and did gain some additonal fat due to a caloric increase for the test.

DIET:

meal #1 (pre-workout)- 2 scoops supercharge, 2 scoops xtend
meal #2 (post workot)- 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie green beans
meal #5- 6 eggs with 3 yolks
meal #6- (pre-workout)- 4 scoops xtend
meal #7- (post workout) - 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #9- 8 oz. cod fish, baggie broc.
meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks

This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10.

SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS:
post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support
with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap

Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle:
2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout, 1 cap 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps 30 min. before carb meal.

My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done.

AM WORKOUT: chest-back-delts-jumprope
wide incline press to neck-wide grip dips-incline d/b press-fly/press
chin to sturnum-high row with scoop out-cable row-d/b bench rows
laterals-high pulls-scott d/b press-bent laterals

PM WORKOUT: same, but sprints not jump rope.

NOTES:
Nothing to report for first day other then the normal caffeine kick and a warm feeling after the basic cuts. Will be checking AM to see if the GP put me into ketosis in one day.

uhockey · 01-31-2006, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sulcop

Starting stats, I am a 40 year old male bodybuilder with 20 years contest experiance and 25 years of training. Past supplement use includes E.C. stacks and other fat burning products. I have never use AS or PH products, but I have used DHEA and &-keto-DHEA products. I have been selected to use Designer basic cuts and Glucophase XR. I am starting my cutting phase and current stats are below. My last contest was in November and I was 165# at around 3% for the OCB Yorton Cup Nationals. I hope to be guest posing ready by the end of March.

WEIGHT: 183.8
BODYFAT: 12.8% (7 site caliper)
MORNING PULSE: 56/BPM
MORNING TEMP: 96.2
MORNING B/P: 110/65
MEASUREMENTS:
chest: 44"
abbs: 32"
bicep: 18"
Quad: 25"
calf: 19" (this is why I do no direct calf work)

I have just come off the AX herbal hypertrophic test, and did gain some additonal fat due to a caloric increase for the test.

DIET:

meal #1 (pre-workout)- 2 scoops supercharge, 2 scoops xtend
meal #2 (post workot)- 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie green beans
meal #5- 6 eggs with 3 yolks
meal #6- (pre-workout)- 4 scoops xtend
meal #7- (post workout) - 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #9- 8 oz. cod fish, baggie broc.
meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks

This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10.

SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS:
post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support
with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap

Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle:
2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout, 1 cap 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps 30 min. before carb meal.

My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done.

AM WORKOUT: chest-back-delts-jumprope
wide incline press to neck-wide grip dips-incline d/b press-fly/press
chin to sturnum-high row with scoop out-cable row-d/b bench rows
laterals-high pulls-scott d/b press-bent laterals

PM WORKOUT: same, but sprints not jump rope.

NOTES:
Nothing to report for first day other then the normal caffeine kick and a warm feeling after the basic cuts. Will be checking AM to see if the GP put me into ketosis in one day.

Subscribed. Looking forward to this!:nosthumbs

sulcop · 01-31-2006, 09:34 PM

WEIGHT: 183.2 (-0.6)
BODYFAT: 12.8% (7 site caliper)
MORNING PULSE: 55/BPM
MORNING TEMP: 96.7
MORNING B/P: 110/65
MEASUREMENTS:
chest: 44"
abbs: 32"
bicep: 18"
Quad: 25"
calf: 19"

DIET:

meal #1 (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend
meal #2 (post workot)- 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie green beans
meal #5- 6 eggs with 3 yolks
meal #6- (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend
meal #7- (post workout) - 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #9- 6 oz. lean beef, baggie broc.
meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks

This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10.

SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS:
post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support
with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap

Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle:
2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal.

My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done.

AM WORKOUT:
old style hack- Delinger squats- sissy sqt- Roman Chair sqts
leg curl-power leg curl-seated leg curl-hyperext
high rep standing calf-seated calf-hack calf-calf press

PM WORKOUT: same

NOTES:
I had to drop the supercharge because it has 300 mg caffeine and the basic cuts has 200 mg and 500 mg is way too much for me at one sitting. My AM test has me in full ketosis in one day (glucophase works) and I had excellent pumps on less then 70 grams of carbs (again glucophase) I have not found no real decrease or increase in appatite, but I do get a warm flush in the pit of my stomach after my basic cuts dose. I must mention that I took no thermos from Nov. until now so I know I am reacting to the Basic Cuts. I also noted a increase in AM temp, a sign that my T levels are not droping. My normal is in the low 96 range and this morning I was almost in the 97 range. Workout energy was high, and as stated the pump effect was increased. I assumed with the drop of supercharge I would lose the pump effect due to no more NO in my system; however, this was not the case. I also noted a 0.06# drop in weight, but that more from water loss as I am now two days from my carb day. So far I must say I felt an immediate boost from B/C and the GP works as advertised.

Sully

sulcop · 02-02-2006, 08:54 PM

WEIGHT: 182.8 (-1.0)
BODYFAT: 12.8% (7 site caliper)
MORNING PULSE: 55/BPM
MORNING TEMP: 96.6
MORNING B/P: 110/65
MEASUREMENTS:
chest: 44"
abbs: 32"
bicep: 18"
Quad: 25"
calf: 19"

DIET:

meal #1 (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend
meal #2 (post workot)- 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie green beans
meal #5- 6 eggs with 3 yolks
meal #6- (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend
meal #7- (post workout) - 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #9- 8oz turkey tips, baggie broc.
meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks

This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10.

SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS:
post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support
with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap

Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle:
2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal.

My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done.

AM WORKOUT:
long pull tri ext-tri dips-kickback-ext & press
preacher curl-reverse preacher curl-inc. d/b curl-drag curl
reverse wrist curl-wrist curl-zottman curl-hammer curl

PM WORKOUT: same

NOTES:
down one pound, AM body temp still up and in wicked ketosis!

Sully

sulcop · 02-02-2006, 09:02 PM

WEIGHT: 182.5 (-1.3)
BODYFAT: 12.8% (7 site caliper)
MORNING PULSE: 57/BPM
MORNING TEMP: 96.4
MORNING B/P: 110/65
MEASUREMENTS:
chest: 44"
abbs: 32"
bicep: 18"
Quad: 25"
calf: 19"

DIET:

meal #1- creatine and xtend followed 15 min later with meal #2
meal #2 - 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie green beans
meal #5- 6 eggs with 2 yolks (drop one yolk on carb day)
meal #6- (pre-cardio)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend
meal #7- (post cardio) - 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #9- 6 oz. lean beef, baggie broc.
meal #10- one cup oats, banana, sweet potato

This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10.

SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS:
post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support
with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap

Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle:
2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal.

My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done.

AM WORKOUT:
off

PM WORKOUT:
cardio, 20 min high intensity stairs

NOTES:
No workout today, but PM cardio. Down some more weight, temp still up and feeling good. I ended the days total early as I already know what I am eating (carb day) and I really want to see how the GXR works with a carb load meal.

Sully

uhockey · 02-03-2006, 02:21 AM

That workout is intense. Holy cow, doing that on lowered carbs must be something.

sulcop · 02-03-2006, 02:36 PM

Actually its nice because I am in and out of the gym in 20-25 min. and I return 8 hours later for round II. One thing to point out is in the PM workout I start with a different muscle. For example on arm day if AM I go bis-tris-forearms then PM I go tris-bis-forearms. That was the great thing about Vince, he knew how to attack a muscle for the best growth.

Sully

uhockey · 02-08-2006, 08:47 AM

Any new news?

sulcop · 02-08-2006, 09:02 PM

I must apologize for not updating. I had a sudden death in the family and was out of state for the weekend, and then the funeral. I did train daily, eat 100% clean and had some incredable workouts. I will not go back through each day; because, they are all the same other then changes in protien and my carb meals (Sundays carb day was one cup of rice and a cup of beans) I did take full stats today with caliper readings, and my temp has not dropped one bit. Here is today:

WEIGHT: 180.9 (-2.9)
BODYFAT: 11.1% (- 1.1%) (7 site caliper)
MORNING PULSE: 57/BPM
MORNING TEMP: 96.8
MORNING B/P: 110/65
MEASUREMENTS:
chest: 44"
abbs: 31" (-1)
bicep: 18"
Quad: 24.5" (0.5)
calf: 19"

DIET:

meal #1- creatine and xtend followed 15 min later with meal #2
meal #2 - 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie broc
meal #5- 6 eggs with 2 yolks (drop one yolk on carb day)
meal #6- (pre-cardio)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend
meal #7- (post cardio) - 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #9- 6 oz. tuna steak, baggie broc.
meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks

This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10.

SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS:
post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support
with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap

Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle:
2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal.

My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done.

AM WORKOUT:
sturnum chins-high row with scoop out, dive rows, high pull
wide incline to neck-reverse dip-incline D/B-decline cable pull in
lateral-scott press-D/B upright row-bent lats
jump rope - 7 one min sessions

PM WORKOUT:
same except 9% up hill sprints for 20 seconds at 9 MPH (6 sets)

NOTES:
As you can see I am down almost 3 pounds and 1.1%. My pants are not tight and my top two rows of abbs are clean. I have little "hang over" around the belt line, but still have adopose on my lower back and "love handle" area. My strength is up, resting pulse and temp all normal and I have ZERO signs of overtraining. Also need to note that I had a high carb day on arm day and decided to carb early and do my PM workout in a refed state. I took my GXR pre meal, and creatine pre workout. OMG the pump almost killed me! I do not know if this is a common report when using GXR on carb meals but I was full with vascularity all over. I was training at a gym in CT where no one knew me and this guy walks up and tells me he has not seen veins in arms like mine sence Frank Zane! I must say the basic cuts seems to be standard, effective metabolic enhancer, but the GXR! I am hooked. And each rotation I am in full ketosis in 12-14 hours.

Sully

uhockey · 02-08-2006, 10:19 PM

I'm very sorry to hear about your loss and I hope everyone is doing well. Additionally, your dedication to this sport is fantastic.

sulcop · 02-09-2006, 11:16 PM

WEIGHT: 180.5 (-3.3)
BODYFAT: 11.1% (- 1.1%) (7 site caliper)
MORNING PULSE: 56/BPM
MORNING TEMP: 96.6
MORNING B/P: 110/65
MEASUREMENTS:
chest: 44"
abbs: 31" (-1)
bicep: 18"
Quad: 24.5" (0.5)
calf: 19"

DIET:

meal #1- creatine and xtend followed 15 min later with meal #2
meal #2 - 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie broc
meal #5- 6 eggs with 2 yolks (drop one yolk on carb day)
meal #6- (pre-cardio)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend
meal #7- (post cardio) - 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #9- 6 oz. beef tips, large salad
meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks

This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10.

SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS:
post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support
with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap

Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle:
2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal.

My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done.

AM WORKOUT:
sissy sqt-roman chair sqt-leg ext-hack frog sqt
leg ext-seated leg ext-45% hyper-stiff D/L

PM WORKOUT:
same

NOTES:
Thanks, I try. Again great workouts, still dropping. I seem to be dropping faster then normal. I normally drop around 1 pound a week in this phase but my average is 1.8! I only wish I had two more bottles!

Sully

sulcop · 02-10-2006, 08:56 PM

WEIGHT: 180.1 (-3.7)
BODYFAT: 11.1% (7 site caliper)
MORNING PULSE: 55/BPM
MORNING TEMP: 96.6
MORNING B/P: 110/65
MEASUREMENTS:
chest: 44"
abbs: 31" (-1)
bicep: 18"
Quad: 24.5" (-.5)
calf: 19"

DIET:

meal #1 (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend
meal #2 (post workot)- 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie green beans
meal #5- 6 eggs with 3 yolks
meal #6- (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend
meal #7- (post workout) - 1 scoop cytosport whey
meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk
meal #9- 8oz turkey tips, baggie broc.
meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks

This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10.

SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS:
post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support
with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap

Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle:
2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal.

My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done.

AM WORKOUT:
long pull tri ext-tri dips-kickback-ext & press
preacher curl-reverse preacher curl-inc. d/b curl-drag curl
reverse wrist curl-wrist curl-zottman curl-hammer curl

PM WORKOUT: same

NOTES:
Down again, but my carb day in Saturday so I am sure I will show a increase on Sunday. I am harder then ever at this weight, feel good, no craveings and strong as h&^$#!

uhockey · 02-11-2006, 09:14 AM

Have you used other stims in the past?
From your rapid Ketosis alone it is obvious that GXR is having an impact, I'm just wondering how BC compares to other stimulant's you've utilized in the past.

sulcop · 02-15-2006, 11:13 PM

I have used many products in the past, from standard ECA stacks to diet fule, hydroxy cut, dymetadrine.... This stands well and I would say it is just as effective as dymetadrine or any base thermo type product. I would love to stack this with ephedra some time in the future. I will keep this up after the test run and continue through till the T/U. I will stop the GXR after the test run (finances) but add ephedra to the stack starting with 25 mg in the AM and work up to 3 x 25 mg. So far I am impressed and find both products to do exactly what they claim. Due to the Blizzard (I live in MA) I missed a few days of the log. The cliff note version is that I ma down another 0.5 pounds making total fat loss 4.2 pounds. My current weight is 179.6 amd caliper readings is now under 11%. I will not go into old posting for the missed days as all workouts are as previously outlined. Today was a rest day and even with the blizzard no workouts were missed (I have a home gym, one at the police department and the Golds is less then 4/10's of a mile from my house. My menue has also not varied and I have still made no additonal caloric cuts or cardio increase and the weight is still dropping. I have what appears to be two weeks remaining and plan on not making any alterations to the program. I calculate another 4 pounds of fat loss meaning I sustained a 2 pound per week drop for the four weeks. Some dieters lose more when they start a program, but I was on base line and my weight and body fat were unchanged for several months prior to the test run. My caloric drop was moderate and should have accounted for around 1-1.5 pounds per week so I would assess the extra .5 from these products. The fact that I am still sustaining the increased fat loss is futher proof of the positive effect the two products have in conjunction with each other.

Sully

uhockey · 02-16-2006, 10:16 AM

Fantastic work. We didn't get any snow here, thankfully.

sulcop · 02-20-2006, 08:14 PM

Update! On Thursday morning I noted a sharp drop in temp, increase in heart rate and drop in blood pressure. I also noted more of a film over my physique and I was holding water. The reason, my body began to supress thyroid levels. Response? Drop all supplements for 5 days, increase calories by 600 for one day, 500 the next, 400 the next, 300 the next and 200 today. The calories were almost all in the form of complex carbs, except on Thursday where I mixed in some simple carbs (fruit, low fat ice cream and 1/2 milky way bar) As of this morning my temp is actually up 3/10's of a degree, my pulse is back to normal as is my BP. I point this out to show why these things are tracked in my log. This is the only way to find the early and correctable times you overtrain or overdiet. The result of the extra eating is no weight gain, and I look harder then before. I also did NO cardio or weights. I had beed on for almost 21 days when I hit the wall, and this is common for all dieting. When I hit the wall on a diet I eat up for 5-7 days, with 600-1,200 calories depending on the severity of the drop. I can then return to the same program with NO cardio increase or calorie drop. This is just something to think about the next cutting phase you do. Is it not better to eat more for a week and perhaps gain 1 pound and then go back to your diet with no additonal cuts? Or do you prefer to continue to drop food and add cardio until eating nothing and doing cardio all day? I will be back in the gym in the AM, same program, same diet, and same supplement cycle and should net another 5-6 pounds with no further cuts to my food intake. This also adds time to my supplement cycle as I can now get 3 more weeks on my products and I know that will be about when I crash again. This time I plan to eat up for 1 week and then make changes to the diet, cardio and training.

Sully

**DarkFalcon** · 02-20-2006, 10:59 PM

Very detailed approach to your training Sulcop, I'm impressed with both the log and level of understanding you have. :clap:

02-09-2006, 11:16 PM	#11
sulcop Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cape Cod MA Posts: 155 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	WEIGHT: 180.5 (-3.3) BODYFAT: 11.1% (- 1.1%) (7 site caliper) MORNING PULSE: 56/BPM MORNING TEMP: 96.6 MORNING B/P: 110/65 MEASUREMENTS: chest: 44" abbs: 31" (-1) bicep: 18" Quad: 24.5" (0.5) calf: 19" DIET: meal #1- creatine and xtend followed 15 min later with meal #2 meal #2 - 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie broc meal #5- 6 eggs with 2 yolks (drop one yolk on carb day) meal #6- (pre-cardio)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend meal #7- (post cardio) - 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #9- 6 oz. beef tips, large salad meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10. SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS: post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle: 2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal. My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done. AM WORKOUT: sissy sqt-roman chair sqt-leg ext-hack frog sqt leg ext-seated leg ext-45% hyper-stiff D/L PM WORKOUT: same NOTES: Thanks, I try. Again great workouts, still dropping. I seem to be dropping faster then normal. I normally drop around 1 pound a week in this phase but my average is 1.8! I only wish I had two more bottles! Sully __________________ www.SOAbodybuilding.com

02-10-2006, 08:56 PM	#12
sulcop Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cape Cod MA Posts: 155 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	WEIGHT: 180.1 (-3.7) BODYFAT: 11.1% (7 site caliper) MORNING PULSE: 55/BPM MORNING TEMP: 96.6 MORNING B/P: 110/65 MEASUREMENTS: chest: 44" abbs: 31" (-1) bicep: 18" Quad: 24.5" (-.5) calf: 19" DIET: meal #1 (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend meal #2 (post workot)- 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie green beans meal #5- 6 eggs with 3 yolks meal #6- (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend meal #7- (post workout) - 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #9- 8oz turkey tips, baggie broc. meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10. SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS: post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle: 2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal. My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done. AM WORKOUT: long pull tri ext-tri dips-kickback-ext & press preacher curl-reverse preacher curl-inc. d/b curl-drag curl reverse wrist curl-wrist curl-zottman curl-hammer curl PM WORKOUT: same NOTES: Down again, but my carb day in Saturday so I am sure I will show a increase on Sunday. I am harder then ever at this weight, feel good, no craveings and strong as h&^$#! __________________ www.SOAbodybuilding.com

02-11-2006, 09:14 AM	#13
uhockey Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 350 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	Have you used other stims in the past? From your rapid Ketosis alone it is obvious that GXR is having an impact, I'm just wondering how BC compares to other stimulant's you've utilized in the past. __________________ Dosis sola facit venenum "All things are toxic; only the dose determines the poison" uhockey@designersupps.com www.designersupps.com

02-15-2006, 11:13 PM	#14
sulcop Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cape Cod MA Posts: 155 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	I have used many products in the past, from standard ECA stacks to diet fule, hydroxy cut, dymetadrine.... This stands well and I would say it is just as effective as dymetadrine or any base thermo type product. I would love to stack this with ephedra some time in the future. I will keep this up after the test run and continue through till the T/U. I will stop the GXR after the test run (finances) but add ephedra to the stack starting with 25 mg in the AM and work up to 3 x 25 mg. So far I am impressed and find both products to do exactly what they claim. Due to the Blizzard (I live in MA) I missed a few days of the log. The cliff note version is that I ma down another 0.5 pounds making total fat loss 4.2 pounds. My current weight is 179.6 amd caliper readings is now under 11%. I will not go into old posting for the missed days as all workouts are as previously outlined. Today was a rest day and even with the blizzard no workouts were missed (I have a home gym, one at the police department and the Golds is less then 4/10's of a mile from my house. My menue has also not varied and I have still made no additonal caloric cuts or cardio increase and the weight is still dropping. I have what appears to be two weeks remaining and plan on not making any alterations to the program. I calculate another 4 pounds of fat loss meaning I sustained a 2 pound per week drop for the four weeks. Some dieters lose more when they start a program, but I was on base line and my weight and body fat were unchanged for several months prior to the test run. My caloric drop was moderate and should have accounted for around 1-1.5 pounds per week so I would assess the extra .5 from these products. The fact that I am still sustaining the increased fat loss is futher proof of the positive effect the two products have in conjunction with each other. Sully __________________ www.SOAbodybuilding.com

02-16-2006, 10:16 AM	#15
uhockey Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 350 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	Fantastic work. We didn't get any snow here, thankfully. __________________ Dosis sola facit venenum "All things are toxic; only the dose determines the poison" uhockey@designersupps.com www.designersupps.com

01-31-2006, 01:05 PM	#1
sulcop Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cape Cod MA Posts: 155 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	Sulcop's Basic cuts/glucophase test log Starting stats, I am a 40 year old male bodybuilder with 20 years contest experiance and 25 years of training. Past supplement use includes E.C. stacks and other fat burning products. I have never use AS or PH products, but I have used DHEA and &-keto-DHEA products. I have been selected to use Designer basic cuts and Glucophase XR. I am starting my cutting phase and current stats are below. My last contest was in November and I was 165# at around 3% for the OCB Yorton Cup Nationals. I hope to be guest posing ready by the end of March. WEIGHT: 183.8 BODYFAT: 12.8% (7 site caliper) MORNING PULSE: 56/BPM MORNING TEMP: 96.2 MORNING B/P: 110/65 MEASUREMENTS: chest: 44" abbs: 32" bicep: 18" Quad: 25" calf: 19" (this is why I do no direct calf work) I have just come off the AX herbal hypertrophic test, and did gain some additonal fat due to a caloric increase for the test. DIET: meal #1 (pre-workout)- 2 scoops supercharge, 2 scoops xtend meal #2 (post workot)- 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie green beans meal #5- 6 eggs with 3 yolks meal #6- (pre-workout)- 4 scoops xtend meal #7- (post workout) - 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #9- 8 oz. cod fish, baggie broc. meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10. SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS: post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle: 2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout, 1 cap 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps 30 min. before carb meal. My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done. AM WORKOUT: chest-back-delts-jumprope wide incline press to neck-wide grip dips-incline d/b press-fly/press chin to sturnum-high row with scoop out-cable row-d/b bench rows laterals-high pulls-scott d/b press-bent laterals PM WORKOUT: same, but sprints not jump rope. NOTES: Nothing to report for first day other then the normal caffeine kick and a warm feeling after the basic cuts. Will be checking AM to see if the GP put me into ketosis in one day. __________________ www.SOAbodybuilding.com

01-31-2006, 09:34 PM	#3
sulcop Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cape Cod MA Posts: 155 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	WEIGHT: 183.2 (-0.6) BODYFAT: 12.8% (7 site caliper) MORNING PULSE: 55/BPM MORNING TEMP: 96.7 MORNING B/P: 110/65 MEASUREMENTS: chest: 44" abbs: 32" bicep: 18" Quad: 25" calf: 19" DIET: meal #1 (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend meal #2 (post workot)- 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie green beans meal #5- 6 eggs with 3 yolks meal #6- (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend meal #7- (post workout) - 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #9- 6 oz. lean beef, baggie broc. meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10. SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS: post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle: 2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal. My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done. AM WORKOUT: old style hack- Delinger squats- sissy sqt- Roman Chair sqts leg curl-power leg curl-seated leg curl-hyperext high rep standing calf-seated calf-hack calf-calf press PM WORKOUT: same NOTES: I had to drop the supercharge because it has 300 mg caffeine and the basic cuts has 200 mg and 500 mg is way too much for me at one sitting. My AM test has me in full ketosis in one day (glucophase works) and I had excellent pumps on less then 70 grams of carbs (again glucophase) I have not found no real decrease or increase in appatite, but I do get a warm flush in the pit of my stomach after my basic cuts dose. I must mention that I took no thermos from Nov. until now so I know I am reacting to the Basic Cuts. I also noted a increase in AM temp, a sign that my T levels are not droping. My normal is in the low 96 range and this morning I was almost in the 97 range. Workout energy was high, and as stated the pump effect was increased. I assumed with the drop of supercharge I would lose the pump effect due to no more NO in my system; however, this was not the case. I also noted a 0.06# drop in weight, but that more from water loss as I am now two days from my carb day. So far I must say I felt an immediate boost from B/C and the GP works as advertised. Sully __________________ www.SOAbodybuilding.com

02-02-2006, 08:54 PM	#4
sulcop Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cape Cod MA Posts: 155 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	WEIGHT: 182.8 (-1.0) BODYFAT: 12.8% (7 site caliper) MORNING PULSE: 55/BPM MORNING TEMP: 96.6 MORNING B/P: 110/65 MEASUREMENTS: chest: 44" abbs: 32" bicep: 18" Quad: 25" calf: 19" DIET: meal #1 (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend meal #2 (post workot)- 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie green beans meal #5- 6 eggs with 3 yolks meal #6- (pre-workout)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend meal #7- (post workout) - 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #9- 8oz turkey tips, baggie broc. meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10. SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS: post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle: 2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal. My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done. AM WORKOUT: long pull tri ext-tri dips-kickback-ext & press preacher curl-reverse preacher curl-inc. d/b curl-drag curl reverse wrist curl-wrist curl-zottman curl-hammer curl PM WORKOUT: same NOTES: down one pound, AM body temp still up and in wicked ketosis! Sully __________________ www.SOAbodybuilding.com

02-02-2006, 09:02 PM	#5
sulcop Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cape Cod MA Posts: 155 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	WEIGHT: 182.5 (-1.3) BODYFAT: 12.8% (7 site caliper) MORNING PULSE: 57/BPM MORNING TEMP: 96.4 MORNING B/P: 110/65 MEASUREMENTS: chest: 44" abbs: 32" bicep: 18" Quad: 25" calf: 19" DIET: meal #1- creatine and xtend followed 15 min later with meal #2 meal #2 - 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie green beans meal #5- 6 eggs with 2 yolks (drop one yolk on carb day) meal #6- (pre-cardio)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend meal #7- (post cardio) - 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #9- 6 oz. lean beef, baggie broc. meal #10- one cup oats, banana, sweet potato This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10. SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS: post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle: 2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal. My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done. AM WORKOUT: off PM WORKOUT: cardio, 20 min high intensity stairs NOTES: No workout today, but PM cardio. Down some more weight, temp still up and feeling good. I ended the days total early as I already know what I am eating (carb day) and I really want to see how the GXR works with a carb load meal. Sully __________________ www.SOAbodybuilding.com

02-03-2006, 02:21 AM	#6
uhockey Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 350 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	That workout is intense. Holy cow, doing that on lowered carbs must be something. __________________ Dosis sola facit venenum "All things are toxic; only the dose determines the poison" uhockey@designersupps.com www.designersupps.com

02-03-2006, 02:36 PM	#7
sulcop Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cape Cod MA Posts: 155 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	Actually its nice because I am in and out of the gym in 20-25 min. and I return 8 hours later for round II. One thing to point out is in the PM workout I start with a different muscle. For example on arm day if AM I go bis-tris-forearms then PM I go tris-bis-forearms. That was the great thing about Vince, he knew how to attack a muscle for the best growth. Sully __________________ www.SOAbodybuilding.com

02-08-2006, 08:47 AM	#8
uhockey Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 350 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	Any new news? __________________ Dosis sola facit venenum "All things are toxic; only the dose determines the poison" uhockey@designersupps.com www.designersupps.com

02-08-2006, 09:02 PM	#9
sulcop Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cape Cod MA Posts: 155 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	I must apologize for not updating. I had a sudden death in the family and was out of state for the weekend, and then the funeral. I did train daily, eat 100% clean and had some incredable workouts. I will not go back through each day; because, they are all the same other then changes in protien and my carb meals (Sundays carb day was one cup of rice and a cup of beans) I did take full stats today with caliper readings, and my temp has not dropped one bit. Here is today: WEIGHT: 180.9 (-2.9) BODYFAT: 11.1% (- 1.1%) (7 site caliper) MORNING PULSE: 57/BPM MORNING TEMP: 96.8 MORNING B/P: 110/65 MEASUREMENTS: chest: 44" abbs: 31" (-1) bicep: 18" Quad: 24.5" (0.5) calf: 19" DIET: meal #1- creatine and xtend followed 15 min later with meal #2 meal #2 - 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #3- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #4- 8 oz chicken, baggie broc meal #5- 6 eggs with 2 yolks (drop one yolk on carb day) meal #6- (pre-cardio)- 5 grams creatine, 4 scoops xtend meal #7- (post cardio) - 1 scoop cytosport whey meal #8- 2 scoops muscle milk meal #9- 6 oz. tuna steak, baggie broc. meal #10- 6 eggs, 2 yolks This is a lower carb diet and every 3rd day I take in 1 cup dry oats, banana, 6 oz. sweet potato as a carb meal in place of meal #10. SUPPORTING SUPPLEMENTS: post workout- 2 NO antoxidant, 1 gram C, 400 IU E, 3 Joint Support with meals- 1 flax cap, 1 fish oil cap Basic cuts/Glucophase cycle: 2 caps basic cuts pre Am & PM workout; 1 cap glucophase 30 min before meal #4 & #9 and pre AM workout. On carb meal days 2 additonal caps glucophase 30 min. before carb meal. My workouts will be the Vince Giranda 4 sides to a muscle workout. For those not fimiluar see Ironguru.com, but it involves a cycle of four exercises per muscle, done without rest with one cycle in the AM and one PM. Each muscle is worked 2 X week for a total of 4 workouts or 16 sets per week. It is brutal and effective. Post workout cardio is 5 min. jump rope or 5 30 second uphill sprints on a treadmill. No other energy expending work will be done. AM WORKOUT: sturnum chins-high row with scoop out, dive rows, high pull wide incline to neck-reverse dip-incline D/B-decline cable pull in lateral-scott press-D/B upright row-bent lats jump rope - 7 one min sessions PM WORKOUT: same except 9% up hill sprints for 20 seconds at 9 MPH (6 sets) NOTES: As you can see I am down almost 3 pounds and 1.1%. My pants are not tight and my top two rows of abbs are clean. I have little "hang over" around the belt line, but still have adopose on my lower back and "love handle" area. My strength is up, resting pulse and temp all normal and I have ZERO signs of overtraining. Also need to note that I had a high carb day on arm day and decided to carb early and do my PM workout in a refed state. I took my GXR pre meal, and creatine pre workout. OMG the pump almost killed me! I do not know if this is a common report when using GXR on carb meals but I was full with vascularity all over. I was training at a gym in CT where no one knew me and this guy walks up and tells me he has not seen veins in arms like mine sence Frank Zane! I must say the basic cuts seems to be standard, effective metabolic enhancer, but the GXR! I am hooked. And each rotation I am in full ketosis in 12-14 hours. Sully __________________ www.SOAbodybuilding.com

02-08-2006, 10:19 PM	#10
uhockey Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 350 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	I'm very sorry to hear about your loss and I hope everyone is doing well. Additionally, your dedication to this sport is fantastic. __________________ Dosis sola facit venenum "All things are toxic; only the dose determines the poison" uhockey@designersupps.com www.designersupps.com

02-20-2006, 08:14 PM	#16
sulcop Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cape Cod MA Posts: 155 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	Update! On Thursday morning I noted a sharp drop in temp, increase in heart rate and drop in blood pressure. I also noted more of a film over my physique and I was holding water. The reason, my body began to supress thyroid levels. Response? Drop all supplements for 5 days, increase calories by 600 for one day, 500 the next, 400 the next, 300 the next and 200 today. The calories were almost all in the form of complex carbs, except on Thursday where I mixed in some simple carbs (fruit, low fat ice cream and 1/2 milky way bar) As of this morning my temp is actually up 3/10's of a degree, my pulse is back to normal as is my BP. I point this out to show why these things are tracked in my log. This is the only way to find the early and correctable times you overtrain or overdiet. The result of the extra eating is no weight gain, and I look harder then before. I also did NO cardio or weights. I had beed on for almost 21 days when I hit the wall, and this is common for all dieting. When I hit the wall on a diet I eat up for 5-7 days, with 600-1,200 calories depending on the severity of the drop. I can then return to the same program with NO cardio increase or calorie drop. This is just something to think about the next cutting phase you do. Is it not better to eat more for a week and perhaps gain 1 pound and then go back to your diet with no additonal cuts? Or do you prefer to continue to drop food and add cardio until eating nothing and doing cardio all day? I will be back in the gym in the AM, same program, same diet, and same supplement cycle and should net another 5-6 pounds with no further cuts to my food intake. This also adds time to my supplement cycle as I can now get 3 more weeks on my products and I know that will be about when I crash again. This time I plan to eat up for 1 week and then make changes to the diet, cardio and training. Sully __________________ www.SOAbodybuilding.com

02-20-2006, 10:59 PM	#17
DarkFalcon I've got a RAGING clue! Join Date: May 2005 Location: dnyc99's cleaning staff Posts: 12,526 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 309	Very detailed approach to your training Sulcop, I'm impressed with both the log and level of understanding you have. :clap: