Omega Sports Thunder™ & Lightning™ – SoMdHunter

SoMdHunter · 02-07-2006, 12:58 AM

The supplements came in the mail today and were waiting for me when I got home. Since I had taken the weekend off, and it is the start of a new lifting week for me, I figured this was a good day to start the Thunder & Lightning stack.

From looking at the labels on the bottles, it appears they have the pictures reversed. The Thunder label has lightning bolts on it, and the Lightning label has what looks like a crack which would run across a pane of glass. It really isn't a big deal, but I thought I would mention it.

The label for the Lightning says to take 4 capsules 40 minutes prior to your workout with 16oz of water. The Thunder says to take 8 capsules on an empty stomach 30 minutes prior to your workout. My first thought was if I take the Lightning first, with 16oz of water, how is my stomach supposed to be empty 10 minutes later to take the Thunder? :umm: I figured they are talking about food, which for me may be a trick. I normally have a meal within 1 1/2 to no later than 2 hrs before lifting. I'll have to find out if this is sufficient, or if I need to eat sooner to make sure. In any event, I took the stack as directed, waited an extra 10 minutes since my gym is less than a mile from me, then headed out.

In keeping with the agreement of being selected as a tester, here are my measurements I agreed to provide. All measurements were taken yesterday when the muscles were cold.

Neck 16 ½
Chest 44
Biceps 15 ½
Forearms 12
Waist 35
Calves 15
Thighs 24 ½
Weight 207lbs and still slowly bulking
BF 19.8% according to my calipers.

I also attached the required photos, but be warned, I had no idea what I was doing. Posing is a lot tougher than it looks, and I certainly don't have the body to do it anyway. The chest shot makes me look fat, the back shot makes me look like I am slumping, and the side shot reminds me I need a haircut. The only thing that would have made me look good was a gun shot, which I decided against. :boink1: None the less, I've never been shy, so view at your own risk.

One last item before I get into this. I woke up this morning with a red, itchy rash on my right bicep and left tricep. I have no idea what it is, but whatever it is, it itches like crazy. It appears to be a heat rash, but in the middle of Feb? The skin is really scaly feeling and has a slight fever in it. It isn't related to anything I've eaten or drank that I know of, but I'm going to keep an eye on it.

SoMdHunter · 02-07-2006, 01:59 AM

As I mentioned in my initial post, today I received the Omega Sports Supplements Thunder & Lightning stack. First off I would like to thank whomever it was that made the decision to select me. I'll keep this log as detailed as possible, and will do my best to answer any and all questions.

I'll also provide an honest assessment of this supplement stack, since I have nothing to gain one way or the other, regardless of the results of this test.

My routine consists of chest on Mon, back on Tues, legs on Wed, shoulders on Thurs, arms on Fri. I also list my workout by number of reps, number of sets followed by the weight. For example, 10 reps for 3 sets with 60lb db's will look like: 10x3x60; 10 reps for 1 set with 60lb db's will look like: 10x60

Additionally, all the weights listed are for each arm/leg (as shown above), unless the machine/bar is attached requiring both hands to lift/operate (barbell, chest press machine, leg presses). I hope this makes sense to everyone, if not, just ask.

I believe that covers everything, so here we go. Enjoy the review.

Food consumption today wasn't my normal amount (down slightly), and what I ate, I couldn't spread it out like I wanted to do to meetings and such at work. But here is the breakdown for the day.

Breakfast 06:30am
3 buttermilk pancakes
3 whole scrambled eggs with low fat cheese
decaf coffee
multi-vitamins

Snack 09:30am
banana
almond granola bar

Lunch 11:30am
4oz chicken sandwich on whole wheat

Snack 3:00pm
4oz chicken sandwich
4oz low fat cottage cheese
sugar free jello

Dinner 7:00pm
6oz grilled chicken breast in olive oil
6oz sweet potato
1/2 cup cauliflower, broccoli and carrots

Snack 9:00pm
16oz casein protein shake w/sugar free ice cream

Like I mentioned earlier, I took the supplements as directed and headed off to the gym. I got in 15 minutes of cardio like I wanted to, and noticed I had already worked up a pretty good sweat. Feeling pretty good, off to the weights I went.

Incline DB Press
10x60/10x2x65 (easy-heavy effort)

Incline DB Flyes
10x35/10x40/10x45 (easy-moderate effort)

Flat Bench DB Press
10x2x70/10x75 (moderate-very heavy)
I tried to get the 80's tonight and simply couldn't get them up for the first rep. I had no one to spot me, so I had no choice but to drop them from this routine.

Leaning Forward Dips
15x4xBW (easy-moderate)

Hammer Strength Iso-Wide Chest Machine
8x125/10x125/9x115 (moderate-muscle failure)

Pec Dec
10x2x80/10x100 (moderate effort)

Chest Press Machine
10x200/10x220/6x230 (heavy-muscle failure)

Overall, it was an ok workout. On a scale of 1 - 5, with 5 being the highest, I would rate the workout a 3.5 - 4 at best. I noticed on the very first routine my strength was down from last week. It wasn't due to partying from the SuperBowl since I didn't go anywhere. Like I mentioned earlier, my food intake was down today, and not spread out like I wanted. It may also have been due to my tri's still being a bit tired from Friday, since they were still a tad sore this morning.

I still managed to work up a tremendous sweat and a good pump to my pec muscles. So there it is, nothing special to report tonight.

Tomorrow is back day, so maybe things will go a bit better.

Comments or thoughts anyone?

~~Hacking is a Felony~~ · 02-07-2006, 03:15 AM

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Glad to see this up and running. Great detail so far. :winkthumb

SoMdHunter · 02-07-2006, 11:33 AM

Thanks....glad you approve of what I put together. If there is anything you want to see added or changed, just let me know.

SoMdHunter · 02-08-2006, 12:21 AM

I'm not sure why, but for some reason I didn't sleep very well last night. I kept waking up every so often, and when I was asleep, I dreamed some very busy dreams, you know, like I was running or always going somewhere in a hurrry or something. This morning I was really groggy and wasn't ready to face the world. But that JOB thing....well, you know how it is. Anyway, here is the food for the day.

Breakfast 06:30am
1 cup oatmeal
1 piece wheat toast
protein shake
multi-vitamins
decaf coffee

Snack 09:00am
banana
honey and oat granola bar

Lunch 11:30am
4oz chicken breast on wheat

Snack 12:15pm
protein shake

Snack 2:30pm
5oz of tuna
crackers
The tuna was one of those packets you can by with different flavorings. I tried the hickory smoked tuna for the first time today. A must buy from now on! That mug was pretty darn tastey!

Dinner 7:00pm
1 cup venison chili with kidney beans

Snack 8:30pm
protein shake

I have given myself plenty of time to make sure I have a fairly empty stomach before taking the stack. I'll keep this up until I see something change. Anyway, I got home in time to get my supplements in me within the allotted time before getting to the gym. I decided against cardio tonight since all the treadmills were in use, and I really wasn't feeling good about lifting since I didn't get a good nights rest last night. So, off we go to the stacks of iron to work the back muscles.

Seated Narrow Grip Cable Rows
12x3x160 (easy effort)

Wide Grip Cable Pulldowns
10x3x170/7x200 (easy-moderate effort)

Straight Arm Cable Pulldowns
12x3x150 (moderate effort)

Hammer Strength ISO Row Machine
12x135/12x145/12x160 (easy-moderate effort)

I noticed that although my muscles were starting to tire, overall, I wasn't fatigued at all. I still had plenty in the tank at this point.

T-Bar Rows
10x100/10x125/10x135 (moderate-very heavy effort)
This represents a 3 rep increase at 135lbs compared to last week.

Hammer Strength ISO Back Machine
10x90/10x2x100 (moderate-very heavy effort)

My back and lats were pretty worn out, but I still overall wasn't fatigued. Since I had completed my planned workout, which was exactly the same workout from last week, I decided to see just how tired my muscles were.

Pullups
2xBWx5 (very heavy-muscle failure)

My forearms and lats were fried after this. Overall, on a scale of 1 - 5, I would rate this workout a 4.0. I also noticed my pecs were a bit sore from last nights routine, so maybe I for a better workout last night than I thought. Although I felt good leaving the gym tonight, there has been nothing significant to report yet. I'll keep an eye on what I am perceiving to be more endurance. It may be just my imagination, but it may also be the stack starting to show itself a bit. Tomorrow should determine that since it is leg night. Hopefully I'll sleep better tonight as well.

Thoughts/comments so far anyone?

matpal · 02-08-2006, 06:08 PM

Sorry if I missed it, but are you doing the full 8 caps every day? If not, please do.

Otherwise, so far so good.

SoMdHunter · 02-09-2006, 01:09 AM

No problem Mat. I went by the label, taking the lowest dosage to start out. After what you read below, I agree...it seems to be time to follow the label and go ahead and increase it to 8. Consider it done.

MyTMouse · 02-09-2006, 01:43 AM

i'll keep an eye on this. I love Cre-ethyl Thunder. good luck with your log!

SoMdHunter · 02-09-2006, 01:46 AM

Had a great nights sleep last night, but I had some help from the wife if you know what I mean! :boink1: It seems sex lowers the test levels a bit, as witnessed by my workout tonight, but I'm getting ahead of myself. Here is the list of food for today.

Breakfast 06:45am
1 cup oats
2 whole large eggs and 2 more egg whites
protein shake
multi-vitamins
decaff coffee

Snack 09:30am
4oz chicken breast sandwich on wheat
banana

Lunch 12:00
5oz Star Kist Tuna (Lemon Pepper)
4oz cottage cheese

Snack 3:00pm
4oz chicken breast sandwich on wheat
jello

Dinner 8:30am
Plate full of Lasagna
Big Ass Salad

Snack 10:00pm
Protein shake

I didn't get to the gym till almost 6:30pm tonight since I got off late from work. Anyway, I got my T&L (thunder and lightning) in me and off I went. Got in 15 minutes of cardio since I was going to work legs tonight. Here is how it went.

Squat Machine
10x90/10x180/10x270 (easy-very heavy)

Leg Curls
10x100/10x110/10x110 (medium-very heavy)

WTF happened? Everything was extremely heavy tonight. I don't know if it was because I was again on an empty stomach (except for the supplements) since I got to the gym late, or from the martial activity last night. But I was running out of steam pretty damn quick tonight.

Reflex Ab Crunch Machine
12x75/12x2x90 (easy effort)

Leg Presses
6x270/10x2x360/10x450 (moderate-very heavy effort)

Standing Calf Raises
12x250/12x2x300 (easy-moderate effort)

Cap'n Chairs
3x15 (moderate effort)

Ham Tractor Machine
12x195/12x2/210 (moderate-heavy effort)

Ab Flex Machine
12x3x80 (moderate effort)

Seated Calf Raises
12x155/12x2x210 (moderate effort)

Leg Extensions (1 Leg at a time)
10x100/7x110
Final set was with both legs due to exhaustion
12x110

I was completely out of gas, and nothing was left in the tank. I almost puked when I got outside I was so tired. The only reason I can think of was the sex last night and the elapsed time from my last meal to when I got to the gym to lift. I certainly lifted on an empty stomach tonight. I have also gotten some different bread for my sandwiches which is much lower in carbs, so I was certainly carb depleted tonight. No worries though, pasta tonight for dinner!

Tomorrow I will increase the Lightning from 4 to 6 pills.

I also noticed my pecs were a tad sore, but not nearly as much as in the past. On the other hand, my lats were sore as hell this morning. If they are no more sore tomorrow morning than my pecs were this morning, then I will certainly have to say recovery time has definitely shortened. I'm normally sore for 3 days. So stay tuned, with the increase in the Lightning, this is going to get interesting real quick.

SoMdHunter · 02-09-2006, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyTMouse

i'll keep an eye on this. I love Cre-ethyl Thunder. good luck with your log!

Glad to have ya watching MyTMouse!!

Hope you find it enjoyable and informative. I'm trying to limit the variables as much as possile, so any differences are due to the Lightning. So stay tuned, this is going to get interesting.

matpal · 02-09-2006, 08:40 PM

I wouldnt worry too much....we all have a blah workout every once in awhile.

But the good news is if sex lowers test, I have a full tank! Err, wait a minute...

SoMdHunter · 02-10-2006, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matpal

I wouldnt worry too much....we all have a blah workout every once in awhile.

But the good news is if sex lowers test, I have a full tank! Err, wait a minute...

I hear ya. Got something that is, er was full. But I don't think it was test!

SoMdHunter · 02-10-2006, 01:14 AM

Ever have one of those nights when it seems like you just layed down and it was time to get up again? That was mine last night. I was ready to throw the alarm clock through the damn wall this morning. I certainly was not ready to get up this morning. Tomorrow is a day off for me, so I will be able to catch up on my rest and sleep, which for some reason I seem to be in need of.
Anyway, here is the sum total of the food I shoved down my gullet today.

Breakfast 06:30am
4 buttermilk pancakes
protein shake
multi's
decaf coffee

Snack 10:30am
3oz chicken breast sandwich on wheat

Lunch 12:30pm
5oz albacore steak
club crackers

Snack 3:30pm
4oz chicken breast on wheat
4oz cottage cheese
sugar free jello

Dinner 8:00pm
Grilled chicken breast
1/2 cup brown rice topped with white beans
1 cup steamed cauliflower, carrots, broccoli

Today was shoulder day, one routine that I am starting to enjoy. Tonights routine was pretty mixed, which I will go into as I cover the lifts for tonight. Got the supplements in me, and this time I increased the dosage of Lightning from 4 to 6, which means I am now consuming 8 of each.

Shoulder DB Presses
10x2x50/9x55 (heavy-muscle failure)

DB Shrugs
12x75/12x80/12x85 (easy effort)

Lateral Raise Machine
12x25/12x2x30 (moderate-heavy effort)

I have no idea what is going on here. My strength is definitely down. All the weights feel heavy and I seem to have no endurance at all. This isn't supposed to be happening.

Shoulder Press Machine
12x150/10x160/10x180/7x190 (heavy effort-muscle failure)

Somehow I screwed up on this routine and missed the 170lbs somewhere. I was pleasantly surprised to see I was already doing the 180lbs, and the 190lbs is a new PB for me! I also noticed it has been about 1hr 25 min since I took the supplements. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe it is taking longer for the supps to kick in for me? Gonna have to watch this tomorrow when I do arms.

Standing Calf Raise Machine Shrugs
12x250/12x2x300 (easy effort)

Lateral Cable Raises
12x35/12x2x40 (easy-moderate effort)
Again, I screwed up here. I meant to start out on 30lbs, but was surprised to see I was at 35. (The weight labels are missing, so you have to count the plates.) This is also an increase from last week.

Bent-Over DB Raises
12x20/12x2x25 (moderate effort)
Strength is definitely where it should be now. I'm not very tired and feel as if I can keep on lifting. So just for the hell of it, I went over to the should press machine to see what I had left.

Shoulder Press Machine
12x150 (moderate effort)

That completed my routine for the night, which I would rate as a 4.5 on a scale of 1-5. I could have done another set, but I was getting really hungry. I also noticed I was starting to develope a slight pump to my deltoids which I have never had. It may just be that the stack is taking a bit longer for me to kick in. Tomorrow is my arm routine, then I will take the weekend off. I'm going to take the supps as advertised to see how quickly (or slowly) it seems to affect me. If it takes longer tomorrow, I may take them earlier each day next week before lifting. Instead of 40 minutes, I may take them an hour, we will see. :fingersxd

Thoughts mat? Proverbs?

matpal · 02-10-2006, 11:50 AM

Hmmm....could be it's not getting into the system as quickly as we thought or maybe it was the increased dose....not really sure, honestly, but I would keep doing it along these lines and see what happens.

On a side note, the wife should start liking the Arginine you're taking as well...but this takes a few weeks to build up in your system.

SoMdHunter · 02-10-2006, 12:58 PM

I was wondering what all that morning wood was about when I got up this morning! *D Like I mentioned, today is arm day, without a doubt my favorite routine. I'll probably hit the gym earlier today than I normally would, but I'll take the supps within the 40 and 30 minute limit and watch closer to see when I feel that kick.

Like I saw bammy reporting on bb.com (he and I lift at the same gym) there are no ill sides to the stack though, so that is good. Didn't really expect any either. I'll report back this evening how things went.

Bammy · 02-10-2006, 09:55 PM

I think taking them earlier would help. Whenever I had to burp today I could taste the contents of the pills, even at the end of the workout. I feel like if the ingredients are still in my stomach, they haven't been completely aborbed yet. So I'm gonna take mine earlier as well.

SoMdHunter · 02-10-2006, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bammy

I think taking them earlier would help. Whenever I had to burp today I could taste the contents of the pills, even at the end of the workout. I feel like if the ingredients are still in my stomach, they haven't been completely aborbed yet. So I'm gonna take mine earlier as well.

Yeah, I hear ya on that. Seems to be the difference for me as well. Check out my entry for tonight doing arms.

SoMdHunter · 02-10-2006, 11:46 PM

Tonight was arm night for me. I had the day off today, which gave me the chance to rest up from the hellish week I had. Meals were significantly down today, as I decided I needed the sleep instead. Anyway, this is how it went.

Breakfast 09:30am
1 cup oats
2 egg whites, 1 whole egg with low fat cheese
multi's
decaf coffee
protein shake

Lunch 12:30 pm
5 oz chicken breast sandwich on wheat
4oz cottage cheese

Snack 6:00pm
Post Workout Shake

Dinner 6:45pm
2 Large venison cheeseburgers

Snack 9:30pm
Casein Protein Shake

And that was it for today. Granted the wife and I had grocery shopping and other crap to do in town. To make sure I was on an empty stomach, I took the supps at 3:30 and 3:40, and I waited until almost 4:30 to leave for the gym, which is only a mile away. Here is what I managed to accomplish tonight.

SkullCrushers Supersetted with Hammers
12x2x20/12x25/12x30 (easy effort)

Tricep Cable Pushdowns
12x120/12x3x150 (easy-moderate effort)

I was already starting to get a pump in my triceps. Strength seems to be up and I was feeling good.

Double Bicep Cable Curls
12x50/55/60 (moderate effort)

Bicep EZ Bar Cable Curls
12x80/12x2x90/12x100 (moderate effort)

By now I had a nice pump in both my bi's and tri's. My forearms were even feeling larger, even though I really hadn't worked them cept for hammers.

Dip Machine</

02-07-2006, 01:59 AM	#2
SoMdHunter Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In my treestand Posts: 377 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Monday 6 Feb Day 1 As I mentioned in my initial post, today I received the Omega Sports Supplements Thunder & Lightning stack. First off I would like to thank whomever it was that made the decision to select me. I'll keep this log as detailed as possible, and will do my best to answer any and all questions. I'll also provide an honest assessment of this supplement stack, since I have nothing to gain one way or the other, regardless of the results of this test. My routine consists of chest on Mon, back on Tues, legs on Wed, shoulders on Thurs, arms on Fri. I also list my workout by number of reps, number of sets followed by the weight. For example, 10 reps for 3 sets with 60lb db's will look like: 10x3x60; 10 reps for 1 set with 60lb db's will look like: 10x60 Additionally, all the weights listed are for each arm/leg (as shown above), unless the machine/bar is attached requiring both hands to lift/operate (barbell, chest press machine, leg presses). I hope this makes sense to everyone, if not, just ask. I believe that covers everything, so here we go. Enjoy the review. Food consumption today wasn't my normal amount (down slightly), and what I ate, I couldn't spread it out like I wanted to do to meetings and such at work. But here is the breakdown for the day. Breakfast 06:30am 3 buttermilk pancakes 3 whole scrambled eggs with low fat cheese decaf coffee multi-vitamins Snack 09:30am banana almond granola bar Lunch 11:30am 4oz chicken sandwich on whole wheat Snack 3:00pm 4oz chicken sandwich 4oz low fat cottage cheese sugar free jello Dinner 7:00pm 6oz grilled chicken breast in olive oil 6oz sweet potato 1/2 cup cauliflower, broccoli and carrots Snack 9:00pm 16oz casein protein shake w/sugar free ice cream Like I mentioned earlier, I took the supplements as directed and headed off to the gym. I got in 15 minutes of cardio like I wanted to, and noticed I had already worked up a pretty good sweat. Feeling pretty good, off to the weights I went. Incline DB Press 10x60/10x2x65 (easy-heavy effort) Incline DB Flyes 10x35/10x40/10x45 (easy-moderate effort) Flat Bench DB Press 10x2x70/10x75 (moderate-very heavy) I tried to get the 80's tonight and simply couldn't get them up for the first rep. I had no one to spot me, so I had no choice but to drop them from this routine. Leaning Forward Dips 15x4xBW (easy-moderate) Hammer Strength Iso-Wide Chest Machine 8x125/10x125/9x115 (moderate-muscle failure) Pec Dec 10x2x80/10x100 (moderate effort) Chest Press Machine 10x200/10x220/6x230 (heavy-muscle failure) Overall, it was an ok workout. On a scale of 1 - 5, with 5 being the highest, I would rate the workout a 3.5 - 4 at best. I noticed on the very first routine my strength was down from last week. It wasn't due to partying from the SuperBowl since I didn't go anywhere. Like I mentioned earlier, my food intake was down today, and not spread out like I wanted. It may also have been due to my tri's still being a bit tired from Friday, since they were still a tad sore this morning. I still managed to work up a tremendous sweat and a good pump to my pec muscles. So there it is, nothing special to report tonight. Tomorrow is back day, so maybe things will go a bit better. Comments or thoughts anyone? __________________ Vegetarian - ancient Indian term for bad hunter.

02-07-2006, 11:33 AM	#4
SoMdHunter Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In my treestand Posts: 377 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Thanks....glad you approve of what I put together. If there is anything you want to see added or changed, just let me know. __________________ Vegetarian - ancient Indian term for bad hunter.

02-08-2006, 12:21 AM	#5
SoMdHunter Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In my treestand Posts: 377 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Tues Feb 7 Day 2 I'm not sure why, but for some reason I didn't sleep very well last night. I kept waking up every so often, and when I was asleep, I dreamed some very busy dreams, you know, like I was running or always going somewhere in a hurrry or something. This morning I was really groggy and wasn't ready to face the world. But that JOB thing....well, you know how it is. Anyway, here is the food for the day. Breakfast 06:30am 1 cup oatmeal 1 piece wheat toast protein shake multi-vitamins decaf coffee Snack 09:00am banana honey and oat granola bar Lunch 11:30am 4oz chicken breast on wheat Snack 12:15pm protein shake Snack 2:30pm 5oz of tuna crackers The tuna was one of those packets you can by with different flavorings. I tried the hickory smoked tuna for the first time today. A must buy from now on! That mug was pretty darn tastey! Dinner 7:00pm 1 cup venison chili with kidney beans Snack 8:30pm protein shake I have given myself plenty of time to make sure I have a fairly empty stomach before taking the stack. I'll keep this up until I see something change. Anyway, I got home in time to get my supplements in me within the allotted time before getting to the gym. I decided against cardio tonight since all the treadmills were in use, and I really wasn't feeling good about lifting since I didn't get a good nights rest last night. So, off we go to the stacks of iron to work the back muscles. Seated Narrow Grip Cable Rows 12x3x160 (easy effort) Wide Grip Cable Pulldowns 10x3x170/7x200 (easy-moderate effort) Straight Arm Cable Pulldowns 12x3x150 (moderate effort) Hammer Strength ISO Row Machine 12x135/12x145/12x160 (easy-moderate effort) I noticed that although my muscles were starting to tire, overall, I wasn't fatigued at all. I still had plenty in the tank at this point. T-Bar Rows 10x100/10x125/10x135 (moderate-very heavy effort) This represents a 3 rep increase at 135lbs compared to last week. Hammer Strength ISO Back Machine 10x90/10x2x100 (moderate-very heavy effort) My back and lats were pretty worn out, but I still overall wasn't fatigued. Since I had completed my planned workout, which was exactly the same workout from last week, I decided to see just how tired my muscles were. Pullups 2xBWx5 (very heavy-muscle failure) My forearms and lats were fried after this. Overall, on a scale of 1 - 5, I would rate this workout a 4.0. I also noticed my pecs were a bit sore from last nights routine, so maybe I for a better workout last night than I thought. Although I felt good leaving the gym tonight, there has been nothing significant to report yet. I'll keep an eye on what I am perceiving to be more endurance. It may be just my imagination, but it may also be the stack starting to show itself a bit. Tomorrow should determine that since it is leg night. Hopefully I'll sleep better tonight as well. Thoughts/comments so far anyone? __________________ Vegetarian - ancient Indian term for bad hunter.

02-08-2006, 06:08 PM	#6
matpal Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 149 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Sorry if I missed it, but are you doing the full 8 caps every day? If not, please do. Otherwise, so far so good. __________________ www.OmegaSportsSupplements.com Get Omega at Supplement Kings The LORD is with me; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?

02-09-2006, 01:09 AM	#7
SoMdHunter Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In my treestand Posts: 377 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	No problem Mat. I went by the label, taking the lowest dosage to start out. After what you read below, I agree...it seems to be time to follow the label and go ahead and increase it to 8. Consider it done. __________________ Vegetarian - ancient Indian term for bad hunter.

02-07-2006, 03:15 AM	#3
~~Hacking is a Felony~~ I destroy property Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,105 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	subscribed Glad to see this up and running. Great detail so far. :winkthumb

02-09-2006, 01:43 AM	#8
MyTMouse Pro Stature Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 264 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	i'll keep an eye on this. I love Cre-ethyl Thunder. good luck with your log!

02-09-2006, 01:46 AM	#9
SoMdHunter Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In my treestand Posts: 377 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Feb 8 Wed 3rd Day Had a great nights sleep last night, but I had some help from the wife if you know what I mean! :boink1: It seems sex lowers the test levels a bit, as witnessed by my workout tonight, but I'm getting ahead of myself. Here is the list of food for today. Breakfast 06:45am 1 cup oats 2 whole large eggs and 2 more egg whites protein shake multi-vitamins decaff coffee Snack 09:30am 4oz chicken breast sandwich on wheat banana Lunch 12:00 5oz Star Kist Tuna (Lemon Pepper) 4oz cottage cheese Snack 3:00pm 4oz chicken breast sandwich on wheat jello Dinner 8:30am Plate full of Lasagna Big Ass Salad Snack 10:00pm Protein shake I didn't get to the gym till almost 6:30pm tonight since I got off late from work. Anyway, I got my T&L (thunder and lightning) in me and off I went. Got in 15 minutes of cardio since I was going to work legs tonight. Here is how it went. Squat Machine 10x90/10x180/10x270 (easy-very heavy) Leg Curls 10x100/10x110/10x110 (medium-very heavy) WTF happened? Everything was extremely heavy tonight. I don't know if it was because I was again on an empty stomach (except for the supplements) since I got to the gym late, or from the martial activity last night. But I was running out of steam pretty damn quick tonight. Reflex Ab Crunch Machine 12x75/12x2x90 (easy effort) Leg Presses 6x270/10x2x360/10x450 (moderate-very heavy effort) Standing Calf Raises 12x250/12x2x300 (easy-moderate effort) Cap'n Chairs 3x15 (moderate effort) Ham Tractor Machine 12x195/12x2/210 (moderate-heavy effort) Ab Flex Machine 12x3x80 (moderate effort) Seated Calf Raises 12x155/12x2x210 (moderate effort) Leg Extensions (1 Leg at a time) 10x100/7x110 Final set was with both legs due to exhaustion 12x110 I was completely out of gas, and nothing was left in the tank. I almost puked when I got outside I was so tired. The only reason I can think of was the sex last night and the elapsed time from my last meal to when I got to the gym to lift. I certainly lifted on an empty stomach tonight. I have also gotten some different bread for my sandwiches which is much lower in carbs, so I was certainly carb depleted tonight. No worries though, pasta tonight for dinner! Tomorrow I will increase the Lightning from 4 to 6 pills. I also noticed my pecs were a tad sore, but not nearly as much as in the past. On the other hand, my lats were sore as hell this morning. If they are no more sore tomorrow morning than my pecs were this morning, then I will certainly have to say recovery time has definitely shortened. I'm normally sore for 3 days. So stay tuned, with the increase in the Lightning, this is going to get interesting real quick. __________________ Vegetarian - ancient Indian term for bad hunter.

02-09-2006, 08:40 PM	#11
matpal Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 149 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	I wouldnt worry too much....we all have a blah workout every once in awhile. But the good news is if sex lowers test, I have a full tank! Err, wait a minute... __________________ www.OmegaSportsSupplements.com Get Omega at Supplement Kings The LORD is with me; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?

02-10-2006, 01:14 AM	#13
SoMdHunter Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In my treestand Posts: 377 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Feb 9 Thurs Day 4 Ever have one of those nights when it seems like you just layed down and it was time to get up again? That was mine last night. I was ready to throw the alarm clock through the damn wall this morning. I certainly was not ready to get up this morning. Tomorrow is a day off for me, so I will be able to catch up on my rest and sleep, which for some reason I seem to be in need of. Anyway, here is the sum total of the food I shoved down my gullet today. Breakfast 06:30am 4 buttermilk pancakes protein shake multi's decaf coffee Snack 10:30am 3oz chicken breast sandwich on wheat Lunch 12:30pm 5oz albacore steak club crackers Snack 3:30pm 4oz chicken breast on wheat 4oz cottage cheese sugar free jello Dinner 8:00pm Grilled chicken breast 1/2 cup brown rice topped with white beans 1 cup steamed cauliflower, carrots, broccoli Today was shoulder day, one routine that I am starting to enjoy. Tonights routine was pretty mixed, which I will go into as I cover the lifts for tonight. Got the supplements in me, and this time I increased the dosage of Lightning from 4 to 6, which means I am now consuming 8 of each. Shoulder DB Presses 10x2x50/9x55 (heavy-muscle failure) DB Shrugs 12x75/12x80/12x85 (easy effort) Lateral Raise Machine 12x25/12x2x30 (moderate-heavy effort) I have no idea what is going on here. My strength is definitely down. All the weights feel heavy and I seem to have no endurance at all. This isn't supposed to be happening. Shoulder Press Machine 12x150/10x160/10x180/7x190 (heavy effort-muscle failure) Somehow I screwed up on this routine and missed the 170lbs somewhere. I was pleasantly surprised to see I was already doing the 180lbs, and the 190lbs is a new PB for me! I also noticed it has been about 1hr 25 min since I took the supplements. I'm beginning to wonder if maybe it is taking longer for the supps to kick in for me? Gonna have to watch this tomorrow when I do arms. Standing Calf Raise Machine Shrugs 12x250/12x2x300 (easy effort) Lateral Cable Raises 12x35/12x2x40 (easy-moderate effort) Again, I screwed up here. I meant to start out on 30lbs, but was surprised to see I was at 35. (The weight labels are missing, so you have to count the plates.) This is also an increase from last week. Bent-Over DB Raises 12x20/12x2x25 (moderate effort) Strength is definitely where it should be now. I'm not very tired and feel as if I can keep on lifting. So just for the hell of it, I went over to the should press machine to see what I had left. Shoulder Press Machine 12x150 (moderate effort) That completed my routine for the night, which I would rate as a 4.5 on a scale of 1-5. I could have done another set, but I was getting really hungry. I also noticed I was starting to develope a slight pump to my deltoids which I have never had. It may just be that the stack is taking a bit longer for me to kick in. Tomorrow is my arm routine, then I will take the weekend off. I'm going to take the supps as advertised to see how quickly (or slowly) it seems to affect me. If it takes longer tomorrow, I may take them earlier each day next week before lifting. Instead of 40 minutes, I may take them an hour, we will see. :fingersxd Thoughts mat? Proverbs? __________________ Vegetarian - ancient Indian term for bad hunter.

02-10-2006, 11:50 AM	#14
matpal Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 149 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Hmmm....could be it's not getting into the system as quickly as we thought or maybe it was the increased dose....not really sure, honestly, but I would keep doing it along these lines and see what happens. On a side note, the wife should start liking the Arginine you're taking as well...but this takes a few weeks to build up in your system. __________________ www.OmegaSportsSupplements.com Get Omega at Supplement Kings The LORD is with me; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?

02-10-2006, 12:58 PM	#15
SoMdHunter Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In my treestand Posts: 377 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	I was wondering what all that morning wood was about when I got up this morning! *D Like I mentioned, today is arm day, without a doubt my favorite routine. I'll probably hit the gym earlier today than I normally would, but I'll take the supps within the 40 and 30 minute limit and watch closer to see when I feel that kick. Like I saw bammy reporting on bb.com (he and I lift at the same gym) there are no ill sides to the stack though, so that is good. Didn't really expect any either. I'll report back this evening how things went. __________________ Vegetarian - ancient Indian term for bad hunter.

02-10-2006, 09:55 PM	#16
Bammy Amateur Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 34 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	I think taking them earlier would help. Whenever I had to burp today I could taste the contents of the pills, even at the end of the workout. I feel like if the ingredients are still in my stomach, they haven't been completely aborbed yet. So I'm gonna take mine earlier as well.