Vinter's First Log - N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT

Vinter · 10-16-2005, 06:36 PM

Beginning Stats:

* Age: 21
* Weight: 218 lbs
* BF%: 19.6%
* Chest: 39
* Arms: 14 3/4
* Quads/ Hams: 24
* Calves: 16 ¾

Current Goal/Status:

* Weight loss, dropping bf%, gaining lean mass

Current Supplements:

* Optimum Nutrition Whey Protien Gold Standard Fruit Punch
* ALRI N'Gorge
* Designer Supplements Rebound XT
* Designer Supplements Melting Point
* NOW Omega-3 Fish Oil
* Analbol Naturals Amino Balance
* Vasopro Ephedrine
* Prima Force Caffeine
* NOW Daily Vitamins

Training Split:

*Monday - legs/arms/abs
*Tuesday - arms/chest
*Wensday - shoulders/traps
*Thursday - back/abs
*Friday - Chest/arms
*Sat - abs
*Sun - rest or light workout

I blacked out my face cause I made a wicked stupid face.. lol

Vinter · 10-16-2005, 06:41 PM

Day 1

I got my package in mid-day yesterday, and I couldn't wait till the next day to try em out, I was like a kid in a candy store.. haha

Yesterday I took the N'Gorge and Rebound

I had a messed up week which messed up a few workouts, so yesterday I did shoulders, traps and back.. After taking the N'Gorge my soreness seemed to decrease by alot, I felt pumped before I even touched a weight... the workout went really smooth and the pump feel never really went away, still feel it this morning.

I believe it was the Rebound that caused this, but man... I was sweating like a bastard... it was like non-stop faucet. After working out I showered, and for the rest of the night, my skin felt really dry, more so then normal.

Weight Today (Sunday): 215

**johnsbod** · 10-16-2005, 06:47 PM

How much are you taking of each and when are you taking it? Just curious.

Vinter · 10-16-2005, 06:52 PM

N'Gorge - 4 in the morning, 4 30 min prior to lifting
MP - 4 a day spread out between waking up and sleeping
Rebound - 2 a day, when I wake up and 30 min or so before I work out
Amino Balance - 3 1 hour before working out

**johnsbod** · 10-16-2005, 06:58 PM

For the Rebound I have a few recommendations for you. The directions say that it is optimal to take it with a fatty meal. For this reason, I'd recommend taking it in your meal PRIOR to your pre-workout shake/meal. I've been taking mine about 2 hours before my workout with a meal containing fats. I would also recommend you take your second dose with your last meal of the day before bed. Since test production is highest during rest it would seem to be a good idea to take 1 of them before bed with a meal containing fats. For this last meal of the day I've been taking a protein shake, a fish oil cap, and a piece of toast with some olive oil on it. That should be enough fats to slow down the digestive process and help Rebound perform best.

To clarify:

dose 1 in your meal prior to your pre-workout meal/shake with fats
dose 2 before bed with a meal containing fats

Vinter · 10-16-2005, 07:04 PM

Cool thanks for the info!

Vinter · 10-17-2005, 02:34 AM

Day 2

Well, today was an off day, I ate clean, and relaxed, I'm sore as hell today... Feeling really flushed right now, and what I mean by that.. is I feel really warm, specially in my face.. and I'm sweating for no reason.. and my face is warm almost like I had been outside for like 20 minutes.

Don't seem to be retaining any water (I think I read that some people on the MP retained water?), same weight as I was this morning when I woke up, 215.. And there is definately no loss in libido ... thats it for now

Vinter · 10-17-2005, 09:35 PM

Day 3

Weight this morning: 214

Not sure really what effecting this, but my hams are sore and my shoulders, neck, traps are all also sore....

legs and arms tonight!!

I'll post an update later on, and I'll measure my bf % tonight

How often should I update my pics? Just when I'm finished, or weekly?

Vinter · 10-18-2005, 02:21 AM

Day 3 part 2

Today's workout consisted of...

Barbel Lunge 5 x 10
Leg Extensions 5 x 10
Squats 5 x 6
Leg curls? 5 x 10
deadlift 3 x 5
one-arm side deadlift 3 x 5
calf raises 3 x 10

Reverse Barbell Preacher Curls 6 x 3
Barbell preacher curl 6 x 3
cable Tricep Extension 3 x 10
Alternate Hammer Curl 3 x 10
Concentration Curls 3 x 6
Plate Pinch 2 25lb plates 3 min each arm
Close-Grip Bench Press 3 x 6

I struggled really bad threw the leg workout, my hams are killing me, otherwise I'm feeling pretty hard in my arms and legs today, chest and stomach feel slightly smaller.

BF %: 18.07%

Vinter · 10-18-2005, 01:37 PM

Day 4

This Morning's Weight: 213

Wow the um, weight drop is a surprize, at least to thit degree... I even weighed myself on a 2nd scale just to make sure mine wasnt broken. Working out the legs yesterday was rough, but today they feel even worse (I figured they would) , hamstrings are very very tight feeling. Skin is feeling a little tighter and dryer then normal.

No major side effects from anything has been noticed.

Will update again tonight.

Vinter · 10-19-2005, 12:34 AM

Day 4 Part 2

Today I did chest and a light workout on the arms

Incline Barbell Press 5 sets 12, 10, 10, 9, 6
Incline Dumbell Flye 3 sets 10, 10, 8
Decline Dumbell Flye 3 sets 10, 10, 6
Decline Dumbell Press 3 sets 8, 8, 6
Uneven Push-Up 3 sets 10 , 10 , 10

Reverse Barbell Preacher Curls 3 sets of 6
Barbell Preacher Curls 3 sets of 6

75 crunches

Feeling slightly bloated right now (I did drink 1 1/2 gallons of water so far), alot of retained water (this tends to happen nightly and then I'll wake up lighter). Still in awe about the weight loss, without any lean mass loss. The N'Gorge is keeping me feeling pumped up almost always threwout the day.

My hams are still really sore, feel like they're just way to tight right now, I skipped out on cardio today because of it. No other real side effects as of yet.

Oh, almost forgot, I'm upping the Rebound XT to 3 pills a day instead of 2.

I think that came out too 2 weeks of 3, 1 week of 2 and 1 pill for the remainder pills (About 4 days?)

**johnsbod** · 10-19-2005, 12:41 AM

Looks good so far! :bigthumbu

Vinter · 10-19-2005, 12:47 AM

TY! I'm really happy that I'm not naturally heavy, or the lack of cardio would probably hurt. I should have probably noted I'm a big slacker on the cardio, to be completely honest, since I've started losing weight, if I actually put alot of thought into how much I've done.. alot of people would prob be surprized, and with my steady weight loss, I've been happy with it being that way, so I dont get any loose skin, or minimal amounts. (I do realize at some point it will be 100% necessary to lose weight)

Vinter · 10-19-2005, 01:33 PM

Day 5

Had an amazing sleep last night, much needed one. Feel alot leaner today, don't have alot of time, so I'll probably try and take a measurement today or tomorrow. Hams are still just as sore, I think it'll put a big damper on cardio and it'll hurt the leg workouts, but I'm still losing consistantly.

This mornings weight: 212

Vinter · 10-20-2005, 01:15 AM

Day 5 Part 2

The hams finally losened up a bit, still sore, but alot better! Feeling really bloated again tonight, usually starts sometime after my 2nd meal of the day and lasts until I wake up the next morning, not a big deal though. Today was shoulders/traps

Front Dumbbell Raise 3 sets 8, 8, 6
Bent-Over Dumbell Lateral Raise 3 sets 10,10, 10
Standing Lateral Raise 3 sets 10, 10, 10
Seated Dumbell Lateral Raise 3 sets 10,10,10
Incline-Bench Dumbell Shrug 5 sets 12,12,7,7,9
Behind-Back Barbell Shrug 3 sets 20, 20, 15

Traps are feeling really swollen right now, felt as though tonights workout went really smooth.. forearms feel way more solid tonight then normal. Will probably post new pics and remeasure everything on Saturday or Sunday, not gonna bother while feeling bloated.

If I'm leaving any important info or additional info that'd be helpful let me know.

Vinter · 10-20-2005, 01:24 PM

Day 6

Virtually no pain in my hams today, which is nice... but I do have a headache, not sure if its from something I'm taking, but I woke up with it, its slowly going away though, nothing like a migrane. Also, I woke up feeling a little bloated today. Weight is still at 212 this morning.

Vinter · 10-21-2005, 12:28 AM

Day 6 Part 2

The headache that I posted about earlier today went away about 15 mintues after posting, nothing major, no real discomfort. One thing I had forgot to post about a day or two ago, is that the excessive sweating stopped.

Today, I decided to up my dosage of Melting Point to 6 caps a day, rather then the 4 that I originally started with. The soreness in my hams in completely gone, which aided in my decision to up the dosage too see if it re-occurs with a higher amount or to see if my body adjusted to the new substance I was intaking. So far 4 pills in, no soreness again.. so it seems to be the case that I can handle a higher dose now, I will report in the morning if any soreness re-occurs.

Today I did back, and I cant say it was the best work, but I felt like I strained something in my back, and I always try to keep my back workout to a moderate stress level since my back has been pretty bad since high school (thank you football).

Deadlift 5 sets 15, 12, 10, 8, 6 (first two were warmups)
One-Arm Dumbell Row 3 sets of 10 - each arm
Dumbell Shrug 3 sets of 20
Bent Over One-Arm Long Bar Row 3 sets of 10 - each arm
Stiff Leg Barbell Good Morning 3 sets of 10
Close-Grip Front Lat Pulldown 3 sets of 10

__________________________________________________ ___________

This was a post from another forum, maybe someone can give me some insight on this, because I'm losing weight at a pretty good rate on this.. rob or mike?

>>"i would not recommend stacking MP and RXT...estrogen seems to play a role in mobilizing fat stores for metabolism

http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Articl...ifferences.html

Estrogen & Lipolysis
The female hormone estrogen may have a positive effect on resting and exercise fat metabolism. Although there appears to be a connection between estrogen and increased fat metabolism, the mechanisms are not fully understood. Research has suggested that estrogen may aid in the mobilization of fat from adipose tissue. There are several proposed mechanisms for this increase in fat mobilization. First estrogen has been found to inhibit the hormone LPL (Ashley et al., 2000). Remember that LPL is responsible for the breakdown of TG in the blood stream for storage in adipose tissue or fuel for active tissues. Second, estrogen has been shown to enhance epinephrine production. A higher concentration of epinephrine would increase the activity of HSL, the hormone responsible for adipose tissue lipolysis.

Estrogen has also been reported to stimulate the production of growth hormone (GH). Growth hormone inhibits the uptake of glucose (carbohydrate) by active tissues and increases the mobilization of FFA from adipose tissue (Robergs & Roberts, 1997). GH works by inhibiting insulin production from the pancreas and stimulating HSL (Ashley et al., 2000). Insulin is the main hormone that promotes glucose transport into muscle cells to be used as energy, and it is a potent inhibitor of HSL. Estrogen may enhance fat metabolism by increasing the production of GH and inhibiting the production of insulin. In turn, this would decrease glucose metabolism and increase FFA utilization (Ashley et al., 2000).

Another factor that could promote a higher fat metabolism in women is an increase in blood flow to adipose tissue, especially during exercise (Braun & Horton, 2001). Estrogen has been shown to cause a vasodilation (widening) in blood vessels, but it is not yet known if this vasodilation is specific to adipose tissue perfusion (flow of blood into the tissue) or a general effect on the entire vasculature in the body. Estrogen also increases the production of the hormone Nitric Oxide (NO). NO, which is produced by cells that line the blood vessels, causes a relaxation of the smooth muscle that surrounds blood vessels leading to vasodilation. If women maintained a higher blood flow to the adipose tissue, interaction between epinephrine and adipose tissue beta receptors would be increased. Additionally, this could enhance FFA transport from adipose tissue to active muscles during exercise."

Vinter · 10-21-2005, 11:33 PM

Day 7

Nothing new to report, weight was a hair below 212 today, hopefully hit 210 by next weekend. Slight bloat for pretty much the entire day rather then it starting up around the afternoon.

Today

Incline Barbell Press 5 sets 12, 10, 10, 9, 6
Incline Dumbell Flye 3 sets 10, 10, 8
Decline Dumbell Flye 3 sets 10, 10, 6
Decline Dumbell Press 3 sets 8, 8, 6
Uneven Push-Up 3 sets 10 , 10 , 10

Crunches 100

Day off tomorrow, I cant wait

10-16-2005, 06:41 PM	#2
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Day 1 I got my package in mid-day yesterday, and I couldn't wait till the next day to try em out, I was like a kid in a candy store.. haha Yesterday I took the N'Gorge and Rebound I had a messed up week which messed up a few workouts, so yesterday I did shoulders, traps and back.. After taking the N'Gorge my soreness seemed to decrease by alot, I felt pumped before I even touched a weight... the workout went really smooth and the pump feel never really went away, still feel it this morning. I believe it was the Rebound that caused this, but man... I was sweating like a bastard... it was like non-stop faucet. After working out I showered, and for the rest of the night, my skin felt really dry, more so then normal. Weight Today (Sunday): 215 __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-16-2005, 06:47 PM	#3
johnsbod Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2,733 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	How much are you taking of each and when are you taking it? Just curious. __________________ Wenn Sie Deutsch sprechen können, posten Sie hier. Misc Perv #69

10-16-2005, 06:52 PM	#4
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	N'Gorge - 4 in the morning, 4 30 min prior to lifting MP - 4 a day spread out between waking up and sleeping Rebound - 2 a day, when I wake up and 30 min or so before I work out Amino Balance - 3 1 hour before working out __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-16-2005, 06:58 PM	#5
johnsbod Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2,733 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	For the Rebound I have a few recommendations for you. The directions say that it is optimal to take it with a fatty meal. For this reason, I'd recommend taking it in your meal PRIOR to your pre-workout shake/meal. I've been taking mine about 2 hours before my workout with a meal containing fats. I would also recommend you take your second dose with your last meal of the day before bed. Since test production is highest during rest it would seem to be a good idea to take 1 of them before bed with a meal containing fats. For this last meal of the day I've been taking a protein shake, a fish oil cap, and a piece of toast with some olive oil on it. That should be enough fats to slow down the digestive process and help Rebound perform best. To clarify: dose 1 in your meal prior to your pre-workout meal/shake with fats dose 2 before bed with a meal containing fats __________________ Wenn Sie Deutsch sprechen können, posten Sie hier. Misc Perv #69

10-16-2005, 07:04 PM	#6
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Cool thanks for the info! __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-17-2005, 02:34 AM	#7
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Day 2 Well, today was an off day, I ate clean, and relaxed, I'm sore as hell today... Feeling really flushed right now, and what I mean by that.. is I feel really warm, specially in my face.. and I'm sweating for no reason.. and my face is warm almost like I had been outside for like 20 minutes. Don't seem to be retaining any water (I think I read that some people on the MP retained water?), same weight as I was this morning when I woke up, 215.. And there is definately no loss in libido ... thats it for now __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-17-2005, 09:35 PM	#8
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Day 3 Weight this morning: 214 Not sure really what effecting this, but my hams are sore and my shoulders, neck, traps are all also sore.... legs and arms tonight!! I'll post an update later on, and I'll measure my bf % tonight How often should I update my pics? Just when I'm finished, or weekly? __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-18-2005, 02:21 AM	#9
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Day 3 part 2 Today's workout consisted of... Barbel Lunge 5 x 10 Leg Extensions 5 x 10 Squats 5 x 6 Leg curls? 5 x 10 deadlift 3 x 5 one-arm side deadlift 3 x 5 calf raises 3 x 10 Reverse Barbell Preacher Curls 6 x 3 Barbell preacher curl 6 x 3 cable Tricep Extension 3 x 10 Alternate Hammer Curl 3 x 10 Concentration Curls 3 x 6 Plate Pinch 2 25lb plates 3 min each arm Close-Grip Bench Press 3 x 6 I struggled really bad threw the leg workout, my hams are killing me, otherwise I'm feeling pretty hard in my arms and legs today, chest and stomach feel slightly smaller. BF %: 18.07% __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-18-2005, 01:37 PM	#10
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Day 4 This Morning's Weight: 213 Wow the um, weight drop is a surprize, at least to thit degree... I even weighed myself on a 2nd scale just to make sure mine wasnt broken. Working out the legs yesterday was rough, but today they feel even worse (I figured they would) , hamstrings are very very tight feeling. Skin is feeling a little tighter and dryer then normal. No major side effects from anything has been noticed. Will update again tonight. __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-19-2005, 12:34 AM	#11
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Day 4 Part 2 Today I did chest and a light workout on the arms Incline Barbell Press 5 sets 12, 10, 10, 9, 6 Incline Dumbell Flye 3 sets 10, 10, 8 Decline Dumbell Flye 3 sets 10, 10, 6 Decline Dumbell Press 3 sets 8, 8, 6 Uneven Push-Up 3 sets 10 , 10 , 10 Reverse Barbell Preacher Curls 3 sets of 6 Barbell Preacher Curls 3 sets of 6 75 crunches Feeling slightly bloated right now (I did drink 1 1/2 gallons of water so far), alot of retained water (this tends to happen nightly and then I'll wake up lighter). Still in awe about the weight loss, without any lean mass loss. The N'Gorge is keeping me feeling pumped up almost always threwout the day. My hams are still really sore, feel like they're just way to tight right now, I skipped out on cardio today because of it. No other real side effects as of yet. Oh, almost forgot, I'm upping the Rebound XT to 3 pills a day instead of 2. I think that came out too 2 weeks of 3, 1 week of 2 and 1 pill for the remainder pills (About 4 days?) __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-19-2005, 12:41 AM	#12
johnsbod Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2,733 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	Looks good so far! :bigthumbu __________________ Wenn Sie Deutsch sprechen können, posten Sie hier. Misc Perv #69

10-19-2005, 12:47 AM	#13
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	TY! I'm really happy that I'm not naturally heavy, or the lack of cardio would probably hurt. I should have probably noted I'm a big slacker on the cardio, to be completely honest, since I've started losing weight, if I actually put alot of thought into how much I've done.. alot of people would prob be surprized, and with my steady weight loss, I've been happy with it being that way, so I dont get any loose skin, or minimal amounts. (I do realize at some point it will be 100% necessary to lose weight) __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-19-2005, 01:33 PM	#14
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Day 5 Had an amazing sleep last night, much needed one. Feel alot leaner today, don't have alot of time, so I'll probably try and take a measurement today or tomorrow. Hams are still just as sore, I think it'll put a big damper on cardio and it'll hurt the leg workouts, but I'm still losing consistantly. This mornings weight: 212 __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-20-2005, 01:15 AM	#15
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Day 5 Part 2 The hams finally losened up a bit, still sore, but alot better! Feeling really bloated again tonight, usually starts sometime after my 2nd meal of the day and lasts until I wake up the next morning, not a big deal though. Today was shoulders/traps Front Dumbbell Raise 3 sets 8, 8, 6 Bent-Over Dumbell Lateral Raise 3 sets 10,10, 10 Standing Lateral Raise 3 sets 10, 10, 10 Seated Dumbell Lateral Raise 3 sets 10,10,10 Incline-Bench Dumbell Shrug 5 sets 12,12,7,7,9 Behind-Back Barbell Shrug 3 sets 20, 20, 15 Traps are feeling really swollen right now, felt as though tonights workout went really smooth.. forearms feel way more solid tonight then normal. Will probably post new pics and remeasure everything on Saturday or Sunday, not gonna bother while feeling bloated. If I'm leaving any important info or additional info that'd be helpful let me know. __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-20-2005, 01:24 PM	#16
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Day 6 Virtually no pain in my hams today, which is nice... but I do have a headache, not sure if its from something I'm taking, but I woke up with it, its slowly going away though, nothing like a migrane. Also, I woke up feeling a little bloated today. Weight is still at 212 this morning. __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-23-2005, 02:01 AM	#19
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10-21-2005, 12:28 AM	#17
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Day 6 Part 2 The headache that I posted about earlier today went away about 15 mintues after posting, nothing major, no real discomfort. One thing I had forgot to post about a day or two ago, is that the excessive sweating stopped. Today, I decided to up my dosage of Melting Point to 6 caps a day, rather then the 4 that I originally started with. The soreness in my hams in completely gone, which aided in my decision to up the dosage too see if it re-occurs with a higher amount or to see if my body adjusted to the new substance I was intaking. So far 4 pills in, no soreness again.. so it seems to be the case that I can handle a higher dose now, I will report in the morning if any soreness re-occurs. Today I did back, and I cant say it was the best work, but I felt like I strained something in my back, and I always try to keep my back workout to a moderate stress level since my back has been pretty bad since high school (thank you football). Deadlift 5 sets 15, 12, 10, 8, 6 (first two were warmups) One-Arm Dumbell Row 3 sets of 10 - each arm Dumbell Shrug 3 sets of 20 Bent Over One-Arm Long Bar Row 3 sets of 10 - each arm Stiff Leg Barbell Good Morning 3 sets of 10 Close-Grip Front Lat Pulldown 3 sets of 10 __________________________________________________ ___________ This was a post from another forum, maybe someone can give me some insight on this, because I'm losing weight at a pretty good rate on this.. rob or mike? >>"i would not recommend stacking MP and RXT...estrogen seems to play a role in mobilizing fat stores for metabolism http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Articl...ifferences.html Estrogen & Lipolysis The female hormone estrogen may have a positive effect on resting and exercise fat metabolism. Although there appears to be a connection between estrogen and increased fat metabolism, the mechanisms are not fully understood. Research has suggested that estrogen may aid in the mobilization of fat from adipose tissue. There are several proposed mechanisms for this increase in fat mobilization. First estrogen has been found to inhibit the hormone LPL (Ashley et al., 2000). Remember that LPL is responsible for the breakdown of TG in the blood stream for storage in adipose tissue or fuel for active tissues. Second, estrogen has been shown to enhance epinephrine production. A higher concentration of epinephrine would increase the activity of HSL, the hormone responsible for adipose tissue lipolysis. Estrogen has also been reported to stimulate the production of growth hormone (GH). Growth hormone inhibits the uptake of glucose (carbohydrate) by active tissues and increases the mobilization of FFA from adipose tissue (Robergs & Roberts, 1997). GH works by inhibiting insulin production from the pancreas and stimulating HSL (Ashley et al., 2000). Insulin is the main hormone that promotes glucose transport into muscle cells to be used as energy, and it is a potent inhibitor of HSL. Estrogen may enhance fat metabolism by increasing the production of GH and inhibiting the production of insulin. In turn, this would decrease glucose metabolism and increase FFA utilization (Ashley et al., 2000). Another factor that could promote a higher fat metabolism in women is an increase in blood flow to adipose tissue, especially during exercise (Braun & Horton, 2001). Estrogen has been shown to cause a vasodilation (widening) in blood vessels, but it is not yet known if this vasodilation is specific to adipose tissue perfusion (flow of blood into the tissue) or a general effect on the entire vasculature in the body. Estrogen also increases the production of the hormone Nitric Oxide (NO). NO, which is produced by cells that line the blood vessels, causes a relaxation of the smooth muscle that surrounds blood vessels leading to vasodilation. If women maintained a higher blood flow to the adipose tissue, interaction between epinephrine and adipose tissue beta receptors would be increased. Additionally, this could enhance FFA transport from adipose tissue to active muscles during exercise." __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log

10-21-2005, 11:33 PM	#18
Vinter Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 194 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Day 7 Nothing new to report, weight was a hair below 212 today, hopefully hit 210 by next weekend. Slight bloat for pretty much the entire day rather then it starting up around the afternoon. Today Incline Barbell Press 5 sets 12, 10, 10, 9, 6 Incline Dumbell Flye 3 sets 10, 10, 8 Decline Dumbell Flye 3 sets 10, 10, 6 Decline Dumbell Press 3 sets 8, 8, 6 Uneven Push-Up 3 sets 10 , 10 , 10 Crunches 100 Day off tomorrow, I cant wait __________________ 8/15/05 - 232 8/22/05 - 227 8/26/05 - 225 9/2/05 - 224 - 23% bf 9/10/05 - 221 - 21.85% bf 9/19/05 - 220 - 21.4% bf 9/26/05 - 219 - 21% bf 10/3/05 - 217.5 - 20.8% bf 10/10/05 - 218 - 19.6% bf 10/17/05 - 214 - 18.07% bf 10/28/05 - 210 - 17.04% bf http://www.sickofbeingfat.net/profiles.aspx?vinter N'Gorge, Melting Point, Rebound XT Log