Havoc, Cissus, Excell log - Page 2

**Jayhawkk** · 01-09-2007, 07:42 PM

Jan 9 Workout

Chest
Incline Bench
3 Warm-up sets
1 set 325x7
30 second stretch

Shoulders
Seated BTN military press
3 warm-up sets
1 set 245x9
30 second stretch

Triceps
1 arm cable pushdowns
2 Warm-up sets
1 set 120x12
30 second stretch

Back
Seated V handle rows
3 Warm up sets
1 set 220x18

Wide grip cable pulldowns
2 Warm up sets
1 set 245x9

jram · 01-22-2007, 07:17 PM

Nice log Jayhawk;

Your back pumps can be attributed to not drinking enough water. I cycled Methyl Masterdrol for 4 weeks at 20/30/30/30 and had a few back pumps but, increasing my water intake eliminated the pumps. You should be drinking at least 1-1/2-2 gals of water each day if not more. If the water increase doesn't help (but it should) you might consider taking some Taurine to calm the pumps.

Also, I noticed that you take 1 cap in the morning and 2 caps at w/o time, it could be that taking 2 caps at once is contributing to you back pumps. I would spread the caps throughout the day say, every 3,4, or 5 hours between caps.

The methylated "Havoc" PH your taking is somewhat similar to that of Superdrol. It is however, a clone to Epistane. Both Havoc and Epistane have similar compounds but differ in that Havoc is 2a,3a,-Epithio-17a-methyl-5a-andrstan-17b-ol and Epistane has 2a,3a,Epithio-17a-methyl-17B-hydroxy-5a-androstan. Relatively new to the market but, it sounds promising. I may try it sometime down the road. Good luck on your cycle.

**Jayhawkk** · 01-22-2007, 09:12 PM

Thanks a lot. I ended helping the pumps with increased water and my taurine intake was pretty good already. The big part is just a weak core and suffering the consequences of building everything else but that. Great advice and thank you for taking the time to point those out.

jrob50 · 04-03-2007, 05:21 PM

Have you ever used Superdrol? If so I was wondering how the two stacked up against each other.

**Ikaika** · 04-03-2007, 07:07 PM

I've read that Havoc runs cleaner than SD with very similar gains but haven't tried them so I can't say for sure.

jrob50 · 04-04-2007, 02:48 PM

Thats what I have heard too. Just trying to get someone who has used both.

blast_ · 04-05-2007, 02:55 PM

Updates? Bloodwork?

01-09-2007, 07:42 PM	#31
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01-22-2007, 09:12 PM	#33
Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,106 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	Thanks a lot. I ended helping the pumps with increased water and my taurine intake was pretty good already. The big part is just a weak core and suffering the consequences of building everything else but that. Great advice and thank you for taking the time to point those out. __________________ Nutraplanet.com for all your supplement needs! ------------------------------ Hangin's too good for 'em! BURNIN'S too good for 'em! They should be ripped into itsy-bitsy little pieces and BURIED ALIVE!

04-03-2007, 07:07 PM	#35
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,769 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 216	I've read that Havoc runs cleaner than SD with very similar gains but haven't tried them so I can't say for sure. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

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01-22-2007, 07:17 PM	#32
jram Amateur Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 60 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Nice log Jayhawk; Your back pumps can be attributed to not drinking enough water. I cycled Methyl Masterdrol for 4 weeks at 20/30/30/30 and had a few back pumps but, increasing my water intake eliminated the pumps. You should be drinking at least 1-1/2-2 gals of water each day if not more. If the water increase doesn't help (but it should) you might consider taking some Taurine to calm the pumps. Also, I noticed that you take 1 cap in the morning and 2 caps at w/o time, it could be that taking 2 caps at once is contributing to you back pumps. I would spread the caps throughout the day say, every 3,4, or 5 hours between caps. The methylated "Havoc" PH your taking is somewhat similar to that of Superdrol. It is however, a clone to Epistane. Both Havoc and Epistane have similar compounds but differ in that Havoc is 2a,3a,-Epithio-17a-methyl-5a-andrstan-17b-ol and Epistane has 2a,3a,Epithio-17a-methyl-17B-hydroxy-5a-androstan. Relatively new to the market but, it sounds promising. I may try it sometime down the road. Good luck on your cycle.

04-03-2007, 05:21 PM	#34
jrob50 Amateur Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 46 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Have you ever used Superdrol? If so I was wondering how the two stacked up against each other.

04-04-2007, 02:48 PM	#36
jrob50 Amateur Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 46 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Thats what I have heard too. Just trying to get someone who has used both.

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