Drewkowsky's MAN Clout+Scorch Cut

drewkowsky · 03-24-2006, 02:30 AM

Hey guys
I picked up a bottle of Scorch and Clout to run a log on at the Arnold Classic. My internet time has been really limited the past few months, but I am looking to get involved again with some of the better communities like this one.

Anyways, while my MAN experience is limited to one bottle of Scorch way back when it first came out, I've often been impressed by the way J-Rod, Androgenic, and Toad have handled themselves on the forums and off. This has led me to take the plunge with them and use their products during my cut.

Clout:
http://www.manb2p.com/products_clout.html

Scorch:
http://www.manb2p.com/products_scorch.html

So I started my cut at about 272 a month ago
Stats:
Height: 6'4''
Weight: 264
Chest: 50''
Waist: 41-3/4''(full stomach)
Arms: 17'' (Were 18 1/2 but skipped training bi's for ~months)
Legs: 31''
Calves: 18''

I have a lot of improving to do, I was shocked to see how much my arm measurement went down, but legs are up an inch since 2 months ago.

Supplements
MAN Clout 2 servings daily
MAN Scorch 3 servings (2 caps) ed
GNC Fish Oil
Various GNC Mutli-Vitamins
Primaforce Elastamine
Green Food Supplement

Diet and Training
Low Carb/Carb Cycling
Modified West Side Training

drewkowsky · 03-24-2006, 02:31 AM

actually did start the stack on Tuesday, March 21st so here are a couple entries to get caught up.

3/21
Max Effort Upper Body
Bench: 225X4
Incline DB: 70X10, 70X8, 70X7
T-Bar Rows: 135X15, 135X15, 135X15, 135X15
Bent DB Flys: 20X10, 20X10, 25X10
Abs
20 min cardio

3/23
Max Effort Lower
Rack Pulls: 275X5, 285X2 - ouch hurt something in my back doing these, pain lingered the rest of the workout
1-leg Smith Squats: bwX12, bwX12, bwX12
Stiff-Leg Deadlift: 145X6, 145X6, 145X5
Grip Training: 25lbs
10 min HIT Cardio

Reactions
Its been hard for me lately battling nagging injuries in my left elbow, right shoulder, and left knee. Now it looks like I may have tweaked my back. Awesome. I am glad that I got a couple bottles of Elastamine. I think it is starting to kick in. We'll see. As far as Clout, first time I took it, I got a cool tingling nootropic sensation in my head and with the calming effects from the rhodiola in Scorch I have been in a really nice mental zone with my workouts. Physically, I don't think the Clout is really kicking in yet. As far as Scorch, I get a nice calming pick-me-up, no heavy stimulation but nice thermogenic and mental effects. I also seem to be noticing some definite appettite suppression. If anyone has any questions or comments feel free to contribute. I hate when it feels like I am talking to myself

drewkowsky · 03-25-2006, 07:38 PM

Reptition Upper Body
Bench Press: 205X4, 3, 4 (60s between sets)
Rope Pushdowns: 130X12, 130X12, 130X10
Lat Pulldowns: 150X10, 160X7, 160X10, 160X10
Bradford Presses: 65X10, 75X10, 75X6
Cable Curls: 120X10, 130X10, 130X5

Reactions
I don't like making excuses but my bench is in the trash partly because I changed up my grip (went wider). Everything else felt pretty good today, strength seems to be rising already. One thing I noticed today was that I was able to push myself pretty hard, but recovery between sets seemed nice. I also got the tingles from Clout that everyone talks about today. According to the bottle strength gains should start kicking in now. [/b]

**DarkFalcon** · 03-25-2006, 07:43 PM

Hey Drew! Nice to see you putting up a log here! :yes: We've missed having you around 4 sure. Everything looks good, I'm sure you'll do well on this.

drewkowsky · 03-26-2006, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFalcon

Hey Drew! Nice to see you putting up a log here! :yes: We've missed having you around 4 sure. Everything looks good, I'm sure you'll do well on this.

Thanks man,
IronMass is definitely one of my favorite boards
I plan on sticking around here for awhile

drewkowsky · 03-28-2006, 02:55 AM

Maximum Effort Upper Body
Bench Press: 225X5, 245X2
Incline DB: 70X10, 70X10, 70X10
T-Bar Rows: 160X15, 160X15, 160X15, 160X11
Bent Flys:20X10, 25X10, 25X10
Cardio- HI 20 mins

Reactions:
My body is changing; the fat is flying off while muscles still seem somewhat full despite being carb-depleted. After only 6 days I am definitely impressed with Scorch, but I still think its a bit early to say just how impressed I am with Clout. Still, energy, strength, and endurance are all up and my weight is already down a decent amount. I think I am going to wait till halfway through my bottle of Clout to give updated measurements etc. As far as my workout, popped a dose of Scorch beforehand as well as my Clout shake (1 heaping scoop of Clout plus a scoop and a half of Orange Cream Syntrax Matrix) and I was good to go. Like my last workout I was able to go with max effort and able to recover well between sets. I could have pushed my bench heavier but my gf was spotting me and I didn't want to risk death .

drewkowsky · 04-01-2006, 04:33 AM

Wednesday(3/29):
put off leg day till tomorrow and did some cardio and flexibility type training today.

bike/glide: 60 mins
stretches
Rotator Cuff work with bands and dumbells

Reactions
Well, I carbed up yesterday and as it stands it looks like I have dropped 3 lbs of weight while gaining strength so far. Soreness seems to be all but completely gone and I had nice endurance today during cardio. (everyone should be listening to Muse on their MP3 player for the record).

Thursday (3/30)
Due to work and various other time constraints my scheduled leg day had to be changed. Instead of following my regular workout I just did a couple of giant sets consisting of leg press, ext, and curl. I also added in a little calf- training and forearm static holds with the BB. I didn't really keep track of weights or reps, just tried to work the hell out of them and managed to get quite a nice pump. Nothing wrong with switching things up every now and again.

Friday - Today (3/31)
Bench: 205X7, 4, 5
Rope Pushdowns: 130X12, 130X12, 140X10
Lat Pulldowns: 160X10, 160X10, 160X8, 170X8
Bradfords!(just for Robboe): 75X10, 75X10, 80X7
Cables Curls: 130X10, 130X10

Reactions
I felt like absolutely terrible today. Didn't sleep well, have had some GI troubles the past couple days, lower backs been cramping up, and even with my belly full of my Clout shake, my pre-WO shake, and enough water to wash down Scorch, Elastamine, fish oil, and a multi I weighed in at 254 (I even slightly cheated on my diet the night before). The weird thing is that my weights/reps all went up a very appriecable amount from last week. Once again I was able to bomb away and even though my mindset wasn't really right I guess I had a great workout by looking at my journal. Truly bizarre, but I am now convinced enough to give this stack especially Clout some heavy props. This stuff has been working pretty great for me already.

**DarkFalcon** · 04-01-2006, 04:53 AM

Good news on the lifts bro but what's up with the stomach?

drewkowsky · 04-01-2006, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFalcon

Good news on the lifts bro but what's up with the stomach?

As far as being sick or the measurement lol
Unfortunately I seem to have some kind of distension there as well as just naturally having a wider waist. Best measurement I can remember having was 37'' when I was 17.

**DarkFalcon** · 04-02-2006, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewkowsky

As far as being sick or the measurement lol
Unfortunately I seem to have some kind of distension there as well as just naturally having a wider waist. Best measurement I can remember having was 37'' when I was 17.

lol..no bro I wouldn't bust your chops over your waist size..lol. I was wondering what was wrong illness wise to cause you discomfort?

drewkowsky · 04-02-2006, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFalcon

lol..no bro I wouldn't bust your chops over your waist size..lol. I was wondering what was wrong illness wise to cause you discomfort?

hey if my chops need busted feel free haha

As far as the illness . I think I just ate some beef that was turning maybe?

~~PROD1GY~~ · 04-03-2006, 02:08 AM

Are you using the new Scorch or the old one?

drewkowsky · 04-04-2006, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROD1GY

Are you using the new Scorch or the old one?

the one with these ingredients
Lean Green™ Green Tea SE
(90% Catechins, 60% EGCG)
250mg +

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Total EGCG Per Serving
150mg +

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P2™ Oolong Tea SE
(30% Polymerized Polyphenols, 10% EGCG)
250 mg +

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Total Polymerized Polyphenols Per Serving
75mg +

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Total EGCG Per Serving
25mg +

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Caffeine USP
200mg +

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Rhodiola Rosea (4% rosavins)
100mg +

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Evodiamine 99%
50mg +

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Coleus Forskholii Leaves SE (40% Forskolin)
50mg +

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Tyramine HCl 99%
50mg +

~~PROD1GY~~ · 04-04-2006, 03:36 AM

ohh thats the old one but still good

drewkowsky · 04-04-2006, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROD1GY

ohh thats the old one but still good

As far as I know, the newest version of Scorch isn't out yet, so I wasn't sure if you thought it might be the first version with 7-keto in it

drewkowsky · 04-04-2006, 04:51 AM

Monday (4/3)
Bench Press: 245X2
Incline DB: 75X8, 75X8, 75X7
T-Bar Rows: 160X15, 160X15, 160X15, 160X15
Bent Flys: 25X10, 25X10, 25X10
Abs
13 min HIT Cardio

Reactions
Well, as I warned, I had a pretty good time saturday night. I hadn't seen everybody for around 4 months and realizing that most of my class that I came in with is graduating in a month and half (nostalgia anyone?), I tried to suck up as much of it as I could. I did actually get a few compliments on my added size, but as you can guess diet/lack of alcohol consumption went to hell until middle of sunday when I finished off the binge with french toast and coffee from Perkins. I apologize to anyone following if this effects my assesments of the products. One thing I did notice was a complete lack of hangover. From what I understand NAC works especially well for hangover preventions, so if anyone is planning on drinking while on these products I imagine this "feature" would be appreciated. As far as my workout today, it went fairly well. I was able to maintain intensity and either maintain or increase all lifts, which is pretty impressive when you take into account the probable slight lingering dehydration. Its not prohormones or anything of the like, but I feel healthy and am having very good results. I am planning on updating measurements tomorrow and possibly posting my progress pics, as its the official halfway point on my Clout.

drewkowsky · 04-11-2006, 03:05 AM

Well guys I am sorry to post this, but the Clout hasn't been sitting well with my stomach and I have to discontinue it. JRod has said he will send me out the new formula when it comes out in around 3 weeks. After, I receive it I will start a new log. Which should actually be more relevant considering it is a new formula.

**DarkFalcon** · 04-11-2006, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewkowsky

Well guys I am sorry to post this, but the Clout hasn't been sitting well with my stomach and I have to discontinue it. JRod has said he will send me out the new formula when it comes out in around 3 weeks. After, I receive it I will start a new log. Which should actually be more relevant considering it is a new formula.

Hmm..too bad. Were you getting any results up until now?

drewkowsky · 04-11-2006, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFalcon

Hmm..too bad. Were you getting any results up until now?

Results were definitely starting to kick in. If you want the whole story, I am also running this log over at MAN's forums and got a little more in-depth on things over there.
Overall, fairly disappointing, but Joey says the cause of the GI-distresses will be gone in the next version.

drewkowsky · 04-11-2006, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewkowsky

Results were definitely starting to kick in. If you want the whole story, I am also running this log over at MAN's forums and got a little more in-depth on things over there.
Overall, fairly disappointing, but Joey says the cause of the GI-distresses will be gone in the next version.

I should mention that Scorch is awesome, and I may throw in a few more updates on just how I'm doing with fatloss.

Also, DF is my sig ok, man?

03-24-2006, 02:30 AM	#1
drewkowsky New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Drewkowsky's MAN Clout+Scorch Cut Hey guys I picked up a bottle of Scorch and Clout to run a log on at the Arnold Classic. My internet time has been really limited the past few months, but I am looking to get involved again with some of the better communities like this one. Anyways, while my MAN experience is limited to one bottle of Scorch way back when it first came out, I've often been impressed by the way J-Rod, Androgenic, and Toad have handled themselves on the forums and off. This has led me to take the plunge with them and use their products during my cut. Clout: http://www.manb2p.com/products_clout.html Scorch: http://www.manb2p.com/products_scorch.html So I started my cut at about 272 a month ago Stats: Height: 6'4'' Weight: 264 Chest: 50'' Waist: 41-3/4''(full stomach) Arms: 17'' (Were 18 1/2 but skipped training bi's for ~months) Legs: 31'' Calves: 18'' I have a lot of improving to do, I was shocked to see how much my arm measurement went down, but legs are up an inch since 2 months ago. Supplements MAN Clout 2 servings daily MAN Scorch 3 servings (2 caps) ed GNC Fish Oil Various GNC Mutli-Vitamins Primaforce Elastamine Green Food Supplement Diet and Training Low Carb/Carb Cycling Modified West Side Training __________________ mod at musclegurus.com Live the life you've imagined

03-24-2006, 02:31 AM	#2
drewkowsky New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	actually did start the stack on Tuesday, March 21st so here are a couple entries to get caught up. 3/21 Max Effort Upper Body Bench: 225X4 Incline DB: 70X10, 70X8, 70X7 T-Bar Rows: 135X15, 135X15, 135X15, 135X15 Bent DB Flys: 20X10, 20X10, 25X10 Abs 20 min cardio 3/23 Max Effort Lower Rack Pulls: 275X5, 285X2 - ouch hurt something in my back doing these, pain lingered the rest of the workout 1-leg Smith Squats: bwX12, bwX12, bwX12 Stiff-Leg Deadlift: 145X6, 145X6, 145X5 Grip Training: 25lbs 10 min HIT Cardio Reactions Its been hard for me lately battling nagging injuries in my left elbow, right shoulder, and left knee. Now it looks like I may have tweaked my back. Awesome. I am glad that I got a couple bottles of Elastamine. I think it is starting to kick in. We'll see. As far as Clout, first time I took it, I got a cool tingling nootropic sensation in my head and with the calming effects from the rhodiola in Scorch I have been in a really nice mental zone with my workouts. Physically, I don't think the Clout is really kicking in yet. As far as Scorch, I get a nice calming pick-me-up, no heavy stimulation but nice thermogenic and mental effects. I also seem to be noticing some definite appettite suppression. If anyone has any questions or comments feel free to contribute. I hate when it feels like I am talking to myself __________________ mod at musclegurus.com Live the life you've imagined

03-25-2006, 07:38 PM	#3
drewkowsky New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Reptition Upper Body Bench Press: 205X4, 3, 4 (60s between sets) Rope Pushdowns: 130X12, 130X12, 130X10 Lat Pulldowns: 150X10, 160X7, 160X10, 160X10 Bradford Presses: 65X10, 75X10, 75X6 Cable Curls: 120X10, 130X10, 130X5 Reactions I don't like making excuses but my bench is in the trash partly because I changed up my grip (went wider). Everything else felt pretty good today, strength seems to be rising already. One thing I noticed today was that I was able to push myself pretty hard, but recovery between sets seemed nice. I also got the tingles from Clout that everyone talks about today. According to the bottle strength gains should start kicking in now. [/b] __________________ mod at musclegurus.com Live the life you've imagined

03-28-2006, 02:55 AM	#6
drewkowsky New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Maximum Effort Upper Body Bench Press: 225X5, 245X2 Incline DB: 70X10, 70X10, 70X10 T-Bar Rows: 160X15, 160X15, 160X15, 160X11 Bent Flys:20X10, 25X10, 25X10 Cardio- HI 20 mins Reactions: My body is changing; the fat is flying off while muscles still seem somewhat full despite being carb-depleted. After only 6 days I am definitely impressed with Scorch, but I still think its a bit early to say just how impressed I am with Clout. Still, energy, strength, and endurance are all up and my weight is already down a decent amount. I think I am going to wait till halfway through my bottle of Clout to give updated measurements etc. As far as my workout, popped a dose of Scorch beforehand as well as my Clout shake (1 heaping scoop of Clout plus a scoop and a half of Orange Cream Syntrax Matrix) and I was good to go. Like my last workout I was able to go with max effort and able to recover well between sets. I could have pushed my bench heavier but my gf was spotting me and I didn't want to risk death . __________________ mod at musclegurus.com Live the life you've imagined

04-01-2006, 04:33 AM	#7
drewkowsky New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Wednesday(3/29): put off leg day till tomorrow and did some cardio and flexibility type training today. bike/glide: 60 mins stretches Rotator Cuff work with bands and dumbells Reactions Well, I carbed up yesterday and as it stands it looks like I have dropped 3 lbs of weight while gaining strength so far. Soreness seems to be all but completely gone and I had nice endurance today during cardio. (everyone should be listening to Muse on their MP3 player for the record). Thursday (3/30) Due to work and various other time constraints my scheduled leg day had to be changed. Instead of following my regular workout I just did a couple of giant sets consisting of leg press, ext, and curl. I also added in a little calf- training and forearm static holds with the BB. I didn't really keep track of weights or reps, just tried to work the hell out of them and managed to get quite a nice pump. Nothing wrong with switching things up every now and again. Friday - Today (3/31) Bench: 205X7, 4, 5 Rope Pushdowns: 130X12, 130X12, 140X10 Lat Pulldowns: 160X10, 160X10, 160X8, 170X8 Bradfords!(just for Robboe): 75X10, 75X10, 80X7 Cables Curls: 130X10, 130X10 Reactions I felt like absolutely terrible today. Didn't sleep well, have had some GI troubles the past couple days, lower backs been cramping up, and even with my belly full of my Clout shake, my pre-WO shake, and enough water to wash down Scorch, Elastamine, fish oil, and a multi I weighed in at 254 (I even slightly cheated on my diet the night before). The weird thing is that my weights/reps all went up a very appriecable amount from last week. Once again I was able to bomb away and even though my mindset wasn't really right I guess I had a great workout by looking at my journal. Truly bizarre, but I am now convinced enough to give this stack especially Clout some heavy props. This stuff has been working pretty great for me already. __________________ mod at musclegurus.com Live the life you've imagined

03-25-2006, 07:43 PM	#4
DarkFalcon I've got a RAGING clue! Join Date: May 2005 Location: dnyc99's cleaning staff Posts: 12,526 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 309	Hey Drew! Nice to see you putting up a log here! :yes: We've missed having you around 4 sure. Everything looks good, I'm sure you'll do well on this.

04-01-2006, 04:53 AM	#8
DarkFalcon I've got a RAGING clue! Join Date: May 2005 Location: dnyc99's cleaning staff Posts: 12,526 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 309	Good news on the lifts bro but what's up with the stomach?

04-03-2006, 02:08 AM	#12
~~PROD1GY~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 389 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Are you using the new Scorch or the old one?

04-04-2006, 03:36 AM	#14
~~PROD1GY~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 389 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	ohh thats the old one but still good

04-04-2006, 04:51 AM	#16
drewkowsky New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Monday (4/3) Bench Press: 245X2 Incline DB: 75X8, 75X8, 75X7 T-Bar Rows: 160X15, 160X15, 160X15, 160X15 Bent Flys: 25X10, 25X10, 25X10 Abs 13 min HIT Cardio Reactions Well, as I warned, I had a pretty good time saturday night. I hadn't seen everybody for around 4 months and realizing that most of my class that I came in with is graduating in a month and half (nostalgia anyone?), I tried to suck up as much of it as I could. I did actually get a few compliments on my added size, but as you can guess diet/lack of alcohol consumption went to hell until middle of sunday when I finished off the binge with french toast and coffee from Perkins. I apologize to anyone following if this effects my assesments of the products. One thing I did notice was a complete lack of hangover. From what I understand NAC works especially well for hangover preventions, so if anyone is planning on drinking while on these products I imagine this "feature" would be appreciated. As far as my workout today, it went fairly well. I was able to maintain intensity and either maintain or increase all lifts, which is pretty impressive when you take into account the probable slight lingering dehydration. Its not prohormones or anything of the like, but I feel healthy and am having very good results. I am planning on updating measurements tomorrow and possibly posting my progress pics, as its the official halfway point on my Clout. __________________ mod at musclegurus.com Live the life you've imagined

04-11-2006, 03:05 AM	#17
drewkowsky New Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Well guys I am sorry to post this, but the Clout hasn't been sitting well with my stomach and I have to discontinue it. JRod has said he will send me out the new formula when it comes out in around 3 weeks. After, I receive it I will start a new log. Which should actually be more relevant considering it is a new formula. __________________ mod at musclegurus.com Live the life you've imagined