Bodyweight or Freeweights for sports?

A_N_91 · 04-29-2006, 12:52 PM

I was thinking for sports (Wrestling, Boxing, MMA in this case) wouldn't bodyweight exercises be better? Wouldn't bodyweight movements give you more functional strength than free weights for a contact sport like those? And if building mass, add weight to the moves.

A_N_91 · 05-02-2006, 01:00 AM

Bump

I'm asking this because I was reading an article with Mike Tyson and his trainers and one of his trainers said that he only wanted Mike to train bodyweight because weights would slow him down. But this was in the 80's and now we're much smarter and have more knowledge on exercise and the human body. So would you guys think that something like westside with dynamic days would be good for these kinds of sports and more beneficial than bodyweight exercises?

Because I'm training for boxing now and currently do a circuit of bodyweight moves everyday. Would I gain more if I did weights? Or would a 3-4 day split with weights and added along bodyweight moves on off days be better?

Locky · 05-04-2006, 08:44 AM

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A_N_91 · 05-08-2006, 12:15 AM

I came up with this. I'm going to be doing bodyweight exercises, but I'll keep adding resistance. Like instead of 30 BW pushups, I do 10-15 with some weight on my back. Would this be good and better than weights?

**Peaked_18** · 06-08-2006, 10:36 PM

Bodyweight exercises for athletes 10-11, then you can start on strength training with barbells and such.

A_N_91 · 06-09-2006, 01:22 AM

I'm 15 right now. My routine is this for now.

Monday-10x10 Pushups, Squats, Chinups (Cheat for now until I can actually do real ones) Try to stay away from failure.

Tuesday-60 seconds RM for Pushups, Squats, and Cheat Chinups

Wednesday-Pushups, Squats, and Cheat Chinups pyramiding from 10 down and each week add a rep (start from 11 next week)

Thursday-10x20 Pushups, Squats, Cheat Chinups (Adding reps each week) This is sub-failure

Friday-30 seconds RM for Pushups, Squats, and Cheat Chinups

If I was to use weights, my main goal would be punching power, but I think that I could get enough from heavy bag work since that's the most specific training.

**Peaked_18** · 06-09-2006, 01:32 AM

You can use medicine balls as upper body pylos for punching.

A_N_91 · 06-09-2006, 01:35 AM

I do everything with medicine balls when I'm in the boxing gym with the other guys and the trainer. What I posted is what I do at home. So do you think that I should incorporate weight lifting?

**Peaked_18** · 06-09-2006, 01:48 AM

Yes, definetly

A_N_91 · 06-09-2006, 01:54 AM

Ok, my main goal with the weights is to improve strength (duh), my endurance coming from some light calisthenics on off days and sparring, heavybag, mitt work; and muscle I want to come naturally, meaning I don't want to gain too much muscle and have trouble making weight. I'll be eating a maintainence diet.

What kind of program should I use? I'm thinking Westside because I need speed days. Goes like on ME days: ME move 1RM, another heavy move 1-3RM, then accessory work 8-10 rep range. Same with DE days except no ME work.

Also, should I do calishtenics on off days or no?

And since I'm still kinda skeptical about the weights, I'm gonna try to pay as much attention to how my performance changes.

**Peaked_18** · 06-09-2006, 02:05 AM

What weight class?

Westside would be good.

You should mobility work before any exercise or activity.

A_N_91 · 06-09-2006, 12:22 PM

Right now, I'm trying to cut to Light Heavyweight (168-175) I'm at 200 right now. Then hopefully after I get more experience boxing-wise, I can gradually end up at Heavyweight.

04-29-2006, 12:52 PM	#1
A_N_91 Pro Stature Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 849 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	Bodyweight or Freeweights for sports? I was thinking for sports (Wrestling, Boxing, MMA in this case) wouldn't bodyweight exercises be better? Wouldn't bodyweight movements give you more functional strength than free weights for a contact sport like those? And if building mass, add weight to the moves.

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05-02-2006, 01:00 AM	#2
A_N_91 Pro Stature Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 849 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	Bump I'm asking this because I was reading an article with Mike Tyson and his trainers and one of his trainers said that he only wanted Mike to train bodyweight because weights would slow him down. But this was in the 80's and now we're much smarter and have more knowledge on exercise and the human body. So would you guys think that something like westside with dynamic days would be good for these kinds of sports and more beneficial than bodyweight exercises? Because I'm training for boxing now and currently do a circuit of bodyweight moves everyday. Would I gain more if I did weights? Or would a 3-4 day split with weights and added along bodyweight moves on off days be better?

05-04-2006, 08:44 AM	#3
Locky New Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 16 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	rossboxing.com

05-08-2006, 12:15 AM	#4
A_N_91 Pro Stature Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 849 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	I came up with this. I'm going to be doing bodyweight exercises, but I'll keep adding resistance. Like instead of 30 BW pushups, I do 10-15 with some weight on my back. Would this be good and better than weights?

06-08-2006, 10:36 PM	#5
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,247 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	Bodyweight exercises for athletes 10-11, then you can start on strength training with barbells and such.

06-09-2006, 01:22 AM	#6
A_N_91 Pro Stature Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 849 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	I'm 15 right now. My routine is this for now. Monday-10x10 Pushups, Squats, Chinups (Cheat for now until I can actually do real ones) Try to stay away from failure. Tuesday-60 seconds RM for Pushups, Squats, and Cheat Chinups Wednesday-Pushups, Squats, and Cheat Chinups pyramiding from 10 down and each week add a rep (start from 11 next week) Thursday-10x20 Pushups, Squats, Cheat Chinups (Adding reps each week) This is sub-failure Friday-30 seconds RM for Pushups, Squats, and Cheat Chinups If I was to use weights, my main goal would be punching power, but I think that I could get enough from heavy bag work since that's the most specific training.

06-09-2006, 01:32 AM	#7
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,247 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	You can use medicine balls as upper body pylos for punching.

06-09-2006, 01:35 AM	#8
A_N_91 Pro Stature Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 849 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	I do everything with medicine balls when I'm in the boxing gym with the other guys and the trainer. What I posted is what I do at home. So do you think that I should incorporate weight lifting?

06-09-2006, 01:48 AM	#9
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,247 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	Yes, definetly

06-09-2006, 01:54 AM	#10
A_N_91 Pro Stature Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 849 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	Ok, my main goal with the weights is to improve strength (duh), my endurance coming from some light calisthenics on off days and sparring, heavybag, mitt work; and muscle I want to come naturally, meaning I don't want to gain too much muscle and have trouble making weight. I'll be eating a maintainence diet. What kind of program should I use? I'm thinking Westside because I need speed days. Goes like on ME days: ME move 1RM, another heavy move 1-3RM, then accessory work 8-10 rep range. Same with DE days except no ME work. Also, should I do calishtenics on off days or no? And since I'm still kinda skeptical about the weights, I'm gonna try to pay as much attention to how my performance changes.

06-09-2006, 02:05 AM	#11
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,247 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	What weight class? Westside would be good. You should mobility work before any exercise or activity.

06-09-2006, 12:22 PM	#12
A_N_91 Pro Stature Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 849 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	Right now, I'm trying to cut to Light Heavyweight (168-175) I'm at 200 right now. Then hopefully after I get more experience boxing-wise, I can gradually end up at Heavyweight.