The very best home fatloss equipment!

**Grunt76** · 04-15-2006, 04:16 PM

Treadmills, stationary bikes, stair climbers, ellipticals. They all have something in common besides being aerobics or cardio-vascular exercise equipment. what's that? They all work the same bodypart: From glutes to calves. Nothing else gets worked. We've all seen and especially HEARD rowing machines. Different? Sure, but they're noisy and they don't fit into gyms very well because people actually MOVE on them, which makes it impractical for other people walking around. Moreover, these things have you pretty much on the ground and that's pretty uncomfortable when you have strangers walking around you.

But at home, it would be a different matter. You could burn fat by distributing the load to almost every muscle in your body, which is optimal, as muscle cells can only take so much load before they burn glycogen instead of fat. By distributing the load to more muscle groups, you lessen the glycogen-burning effect and enhance fatloss. If only one could get rid of the noise, and have a machine that's nice-looking enough that you don't have to hide it as far as you possibly can?

My best lady friend just got herself a rowing machine. It is the Water Rower from waterrower.com. It is a stylish, smooth, silent exercise machine. It's so smooth in using it that if you close your eyes, you might think you're actually rowing on water. For resistance, it uses water in a tank and this gives the rower a feel that is extremely close to an actual boat.

What's even better is that I will be moving in with her on July 1st so I get to use it too.

It looks like this:

Sadly, my friend's shopping experience at Waterrower.com was so unimaginably horrendous that I have no option than to say AVOID THAT COMPANY AT ALL COST!!!! Even though the machine itself is great. Here's the main points of the shopping experience, so you are all warned:

1. It took two whole months for her to receive her machine
2. When not receiving it, she was accused by Waterrower staff of lying and deceiving about not receiving the machine
3. When she got the machine, it was obviously a second-hand item.
4. That second-hand item had unmatching parts, meaning some of them were new.
5. We know that some of them were new because they were so defective that they could not be assembled on the frame.
6. On top of being second-hand and impossible to assemble, some parts were HEAVILY damaged.
7. After reporting this to WaterRower staff, she was insulted by them, called a liar, and insulted again.
8. Getting to have her machine consumed about 40 hours of her personal time with phone calls and emails.
9. She had to explain to WaterRower staff how shipping companies (FedEx) function in terms of billing and taxes in order for things to happen.
10.Shipping, which was reported as being fully covered in the WaterRower invoice, was billed to her, and she had to fight FedEx into billing WaterRower, which had included shipping costs on the invoice.
11.When demanding a rebate for all this hassle and the two months' interest on her money gone without anything to show for it, she of course got nothing.

I personally defecate on waterrower.com. I do believe there are some other comparable rowing machines by other manufacturers, and they cannot possibly be as awful as waterrower.com.

Here's another company that makes a fluid-based rower: http://www.firstdegreefitness.com/Default.aspx?tabid=78

Frank_the_tank · 04-15-2006, 09:59 PM

I'm sorry about your friends bad experience. My gym has a concept 2 rowing machine. The sad part is that I'm probably the only one that uses it!! Rowing is by far the most superior form of cardio.

**madman911** · 04-15-2006, 10:10 PM

That looks like a really cool machine. I have a nordic track, but its noisy and my neighbors below me complain every time I use it. I could use a nice, quiet piece of home cardio equipment.

Or, maybe I'll just buy this piece of equipment to get rid of my fat:

DawnMarie · 04-16-2006, 04:14 AM

Seems like there are so many companies these days that have no concept of customer service, too bad your friend had to deal with one

Thanks for the warning!

Good point about the benefits of rowing vs. other cardio equipment. I did a brief stint on a crew team in college and we used them for practice and I have to agree that it defintely gave you a workout all-over. For the brief time I was involved, I got a lot of benefit from working out on this type of machine. I walk by them at they gym every time I go and I think your post has motivated me to hop on and give it a try next time I am at the gym. I get bored after so long on one piece of equipment so this will be a nice addition for variety. Thanks!

**Grunt76** · 04-16-2006, 04:40 PM

Hey, I don't think I've had the chance to welcome you yet... Welcome, DawnMarie! Is that you in your avy?

**skelooth** · 04-16-2006, 05:05 PM

Ya know, my gym has a rowing machine, I just never use it....

My absolute favorite form of cardio is dance dance revolution. Since it's challenging time just flies by... and you work up a great sweat. Lots of balance and foot eye coordination is involved :yes:

Yes that is dawnmarie in her pic, wait till you see her before/after pics

She is definitely a huge inspiration to anyone even remotely thinking about slimming down.

**NYCmitch25** · 04-16-2006, 05:15 PM

That thing looks mid-evil !!

Terrible. I would report them to somebody. Contact consumer advocy group attorney generals office... etc. I hope it all works out.

Lift · 04-28-2006, 12:32 AM

my gym has concept 2 rowers as well.. awesomeness

i dont use them very often though

04-15-2006, 10:10 PM	#3
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,523 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	That looks like a really cool machine. I have a nordic track, but its noisy and my neighbors below me complain every time I use it. I could use a nice, quiet piece of home cardio equipment. Or, maybe I'll just buy this piece of equipment to get rid of my fat: __________________ Millennium Sport Technologies Sponsored Athlete http://www.millenniumsport.net IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

04-16-2006, 04:14 AM	#4
DawnMarie IMPC Contestant Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 876 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 34	Seems like there are so many companies these days that have no concept of customer service, too bad your friend had to deal with one Thanks for the warning! Good point about the benefits of rowing vs. other cardio equipment. I did a brief stint on a crew team in college and we used them for practice and I have to agree that it defintely gave you a workout all-over. For the brief time I was involved, I got a lot of benefit from working out on this type of machine. I walk by them at they gym every time I go and I think your post has motivated me to hop on and give it a try next time I am at the gym. I get bored after so long on one piece of equipment so this will be a nice addition for variety. Thanks! __________________ Nov 2008 - ??? - IMPC '08 is on! Nov 2007 - 158.4 lb - Saw Abs! Nov 2004 - 282.5 lbs My Transformation: Transformation Story My Journal: DawnMarie's Bounce Back Journal @ OSB

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skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,041 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 160	Ya know, my gym has a rowing machine, I just never use it.... My absolute favorite form of cardio is dance dance revolution. Since it's challenging time just flies by... and you work up a great sweat. Lots of balance and foot eye coordination is involved :yes: Yes that is dawnmarie in her pic, wait till you see her before/after pics She is definitely a huge inspiration to anyone even remotely thinking about slimming down. __________________

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Lift I Love IronMass.Com Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 840 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	my gym has concept 2 rowers as well.. awesomeness i dont use them very often though __________________ MrLiftALot@hotmail.com "King Kong Ain't Got Sh*t On Me..."

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04-15-2006, 09:59 PM	#2
Frank_the_tank Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 404 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	I'm sorry about your friends bad experience. My gym has a concept 2 rowing machine. The sad part is that I'm probably the only one that uses it!! Rowing is by far the most superior form of cardio.

04-16-2006, 05:15 PM	#7
NYCmitch25 Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,087 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 49	That thing looks mid-evil !! Terrible. I would report them to somebody. Contact consumer advocy group attorney generals office... etc. I hope it all works out.