So... will extra fat cells ever go away on their own?

**skelooth** · 01-28-2006, 02:21 PM

So... "Average Joe" is 100lbs overweight for 4 years. He is actually able to lose 90lbs of it on his own over the course of a year or two. We know that when you get obese like that your body produces more fat cells. But there's the answer that I'm not clear on:

Can or will those extra fat cells ever go away once they are no longer needed?

Some people say yes, more people say no. A good link would be great too.

**EME** · 01-28-2006, 02:38 PM

"Once new adipocytes are formed, they remain throughout life and only a reduction in size of the cell is possible. This increased number of adipocytes has far-reaching consequences for the treatment and prevention of obesity."

Excellent link here from the Encyclopedia of Sports Medicine and Science:

http://www.sportsci.org/encyc/adipose/adipose.html

- EME

**skelooth** · 01-28-2006, 02:46 PM

:blue: thanks EME

KingOfChaos · 01-28-2006, 03:55 PM

That's what lipo is for :P When I get my skin tightened, they normally lipo at the same time..so I am good.

**DJSTARER** · 01-30-2006, 02:47 AM

Yup. Sorry Skel. Once ur fat, bulking is much tougher. Former fatties put on more adipose and faster.

Apowerz6 · 01-30-2006, 02:50 AM

thanks, this is great news this explains alot of things when i gain. Gotta love being and ENDO !!!

**skelooth** · 01-30-2006, 02:51 AM

:blue:

that's bad. I have some huge ass mountains to move if I ever want to compete. Not only do I lose it slow, I gain it fast.

To make it worse that means far in the future when i'm old and sedentry i'm gonna end up getting fat again...

On the bright side. If there is a famine, I'm outliving all of you

Apowerz6 · 01-30-2006, 03:28 AM

DUDE YOU KICK ASS !!! worry not, it will come, not trying to be funny or anything, do you do visualization excercises? Frank Zane used to reapeat to himself before his olympia victory that he would win the olympia, or say he was the olympia. I find myself on some days saying to myself I will compete and be ripped. It def shifts your mind set to FOCUS OR FOLD...

**bubba g** · 01-30-2006, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

So... "Average Joe" is 100lbs overweight for 4 years. He is actually able to lose 90lbs of it on his own over the course of a year or two. We know that when you get obese like that your body produces more fat cells. But there's the answer that I'm not clear on:

Can or will those extra fat cells ever go away once they are no longer needed?

Some people say yes, more people say no. A good link would be great too.

I know a girl who was fat her whole life growing up till she was around 22-23 then she went to the gym, and lost her weight.. she has stayed thin now for over 15 years, and she eats plenty of food, dosn't starve herself... She put on alot of weight when she had a child, (atleast 50lbs, then lost it all in a few months and was skinny again... and still is... She did not exercise at all for a lot of that time after the initial weight loss...

dton · 01-30-2006, 11:55 PM

so, the chances of a former fat person gaining their ideal physique are restricted by this... sux. human body can be oh-so-smart, and yet remarkably dumb all at the same time :p

**skelooth** · 01-31-2006, 12:58 AM

no, i wouldn't say our ideal physique is barred from us. The difference is that we will forever have to be much stricter about our diets for the rest of our lives. An ecto can get away with a few cheat meals a week.... cheat meals for us former fatties are disasterous.

Lift · 01-31-2006, 01:06 AM

Wouldnt our best bet just be to increase our lean mass? That way even though we may have more fat cells the ratio of fat cell to muscle will be reduced.. just a thought

**skelooth** · 01-31-2006, 01:27 AM

yeah, that's exactly my thoughts and what I've been trying to do. I think my best bet for long term low bodyfat (hell, my best bet to even GET to low bodyfat) is to pack on so much muscle that it takes a ton of calories just to maintain it.

With my set of blueprints I'm convinced it will be very difficult to reach low bodyfats. I literally start feeling sickly every time I approach that magical 15%. (I'm only judging bodyfat as a function of my appearance in the mirror. If I had to guess my current bf% i'd say 17.... maybe 18 tops... i've put on a few pounds lol.)

**DJSTARER** · 01-31-2006, 03:25 AM

Naw, i was fat, lost most of it. Had a sixpack, but now i kinda just like being 14% BF. It is where my body likes to be naturally. You'll gain the fat back on a bulk, but only to a point. As long as ur diet is clean, u shouldn't gain too much fat past the "Magical" number ur body likes. If it is 18% so be it, but u will never get back to where u were.

**skelooth** · 01-31-2006, 03:51 AM

yeah my body is fighting for 20% haha... hahaha... hah... ha... :blue:

~~2Ripped4U~~ · 01-31-2006, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

On the bright side. If there is a famine, I'm outliving all of you

LOL, I got a big kick outta that one skel.

~~2Ripped4U~~ · 02-11-2006, 11:26 PM

BUT I have somewhat of a dumb question, could a former obese person compete at the same umm cuts mebe is the word as a pretty much lean person throughout his whole life?

**skelooth** · 02-12-2006, 12:31 AM

I think so, as long as they can get their BF% that low and their skin is healed

01-28-2006, 02:21 PM	#1
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,200 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	So... will extra fat cells ever go away on their own? So... "Average Joe" is 100lbs overweight for 4 years. He is actually able to lose 90lbs of it on his own over the course of a year or two. We know that when you get obese like that your body produces more fat cells. But there's the answer that I'm not clear on: Can or will those extra fat cells ever go away once they are no longer needed? Some people say yes, more people say no. A good link would be great too. __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

01-28-2006, 02:38 PM	#2
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,264 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	"Once new adipocytes are formed, they remain throughout life and only a reduction in size of the cell is possible. This increased number of adipocytes has far-reaching consequences for the treatment and prevention of obesity." Excellent link here from the Encyclopedia of Sports Medicine and Science: http://www.sportsci.org/encyc/adipose/adipose.html - EME __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.PhysiqueFXonline.com www.MichaelandKendra.com My wife, and IFBB Fitness Pro Kendra Elias' personal site: www.KendraElias.com Proud member of Team ALR: www.ALRIndustries.com

01-28-2006, 02:46 PM	#3
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,200 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	:blue: thanks EME __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

01-28-2006, 03:55 PM	#4
KingOfChaos Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Temple, TX Posts: 156 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	That's what lipo is for :P When I get my skin tightened, they normally lipo at the same time..so I am good. __________________ Shawn Muder Bodybuilding Enthusiast Fire Controlman, United States Navy Starting Weight: 520 lbs. BF - 62% (3/24/04) Current Weight: 315 lbs. BF - 22% (03/09/08) MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/darkspeaker Livejournal: http://www.livejournal.com/~kingoflaw/ Realms of Evil, My D&D website: http://www.realmsofevil.net/

01-30-2006, 02:47 AM	#5
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,048 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 114	Yup. Sorry Skel. Once ur fat, bulking is much tougher. Former fatties put on more adipose and faster. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

01-30-2006, 02:50 AM	#6
Apowerz6 Amateur Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: CHITOWN Posts: 34 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	thanks, this is great news this explains alot of things when i gain. Gotta love being and ENDO !!! __________________ Originally Posted by a MAN I respect sincerely..... Dr. D!!! "Because estrogen is inherently more evil than testosterone. Pick up a copy of the Merck chemical index and look up progesterone and estradiol. It says that they can "reasonably be anticipated to cause cancer in the state of California". :evil5:

01-30-2006, 02:51 AM	#7
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,200 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	:blue: that's bad. I have some huge ass mountains to move if I ever want to compete. Not only do I lose it slow, I gain it fast. To make it worse that means far in the future when i'm old and sedentry i'm gonna end up getting fat again... On the bright side. If there is a famine, I'm outliving all of you __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

01-30-2006, 03:28 AM	#8
Apowerz6 Amateur Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: CHITOWN Posts: 34 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	DUDE YOU KICK ASS !!! worry not, it will come, not trying to be funny or anything, do you do visualization excercises? Frank Zane used to reapeat to himself before his olympia victory that he would win the olympia, or say he was the olympia. I find myself on some days saying to myself I will compete and be ripped. It def shifts your mind set to FOCUS OR FOLD... __________________ Originally Posted by a MAN I respect sincerely..... Dr. D!!! "Because estrogen is inherently more evil than testosterone. Pick up a copy of the Merck chemical index and look up progesterone and estradiol. It says that they can "reasonably be anticipated to cause cancer in the state of California". :evil5:

01-30-2006, 11:55 PM	#10
dton Pro Stature Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 222 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	so, the chances of a former fat person gaining their ideal physique are restricted by this... sux. human body can be oh-so-smart, and yet remarkably dumb all at the same time :p

01-31-2006, 12:58 AM	#11
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,200 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	no, i wouldn't say our ideal physique is barred from us. The difference is that we will forever have to be much stricter about our diets for the rest of our lives. An ecto can get away with a few cheat meals a week.... cheat meals for us former fatties are disasterous. __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

01-31-2006, 01:06 AM	#12
Lift I Love IronMass.Com Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 825 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	Wouldnt our best bet just be to increase our lean mass? That way even though we may have more fat cells the ratio of fat cell to muscle will be reduced.. just a thought __________________ MrLiftALot@hotmail.com "King Kong Ain't Got Sh*t On Me..."

01-31-2006, 01:27 AM	#13
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,200 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	yeah, that's exactly my thoughts and what I've been trying to do. I think my best bet for long term low bodyfat (hell, my best bet to even GET to low bodyfat) is to pack on so much muscle that it takes a ton of calories just to maintain it. With my set of blueprints I'm convinced it will be very difficult to reach low bodyfats. I literally start feeling sickly every time I approach that magical 15%. (I'm only judging bodyfat as a function of my appearance in the mirror. If I had to guess my current bf% i'd say 17.... maybe 18 tops... i've put on a few pounds lol.) __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

01-31-2006, 03:25 AM	#14
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,048 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 114	Naw, i was fat, lost most of it. Had a sixpack, but now i kinda just like being 14% BF. It is where my body likes to be naturally. You'll gain the fat back on a bulk, but only to a point. As long as ur diet is clean, u shouldn't gain too much fat past the "Magical" number ur body likes. If it is 18% so be it, but u will never get back to where u were. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

01-31-2006, 03:51 AM	#15
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,200 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	yeah my body is fighting for 20% haha... hahaha... hah... ha... :blue: __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

02-11-2006, 11:26 PM	#17
~~2Ripped4U~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NY Posts: 1,463 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	BUT I have somewhat of a dumb question, could a former obese person compete at the same umm cuts mebe is the word as a pretty much lean person throughout his whole life?

02-12-2006, 12:42 AM	#19
~~2Ripped4U~~ Banned

02-12-2006, 12:31 AM	#18
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,200 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	I think so, as long as they can get their BF% that low and their skin is healed __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html