Let's discuss my fat. No really. Let's discuss it.

**skelooth** · 07-02-2006, 05:48 PM

I don't get it. I really don't.

A troll on bodybuilding.com called me fat. It was the standard troll fair.... "Don't listen to skelooth, he is a fat newb. Look how fat he is after two years of *bodybuilding* "

Ya know, I shouldn't let people get to me, but man that shit just knocks me on my ass and makes want to eat pizza and wendies all day like a broken man who's lost his will to live....

First off, NO ONE will take a guess at my BF%. Most people can post a picture of themselves and get a bunch of guesses about BF% which... for the most part average out to a pretty realistic number. NO ONE will take a guess at mine.

Second... I can not get calipered w/o getting a comment about loose skin throwing the test off.

Third... I'm yet to step on a Tanita scale that does not put me over 26% bodyfat which I find extremely hard to believe.

Fourth is fat distribution.... and possibley loose skin. I don't understand. I have some loose skin on my tricep that the little bit of fat drops into making my arm look undefined as all hell when unflexxed, and robbing me of definition when it is flexed. (My arms were 19" when I was at the peak of my fatness).... not to mention, and this drives me nuts.... my hips are LEAN LEAN LEAN, I have vascularity on my hips, you can see the seperation of my glutes from the side.... but I carry all of my fat on my BACK and it gives me the most ridiculous set of love handles I've ever seen in my life. Talk about unfair. I carry very little fat on my actual 'belly'... it's all in my back...

Fith is.... the way the fat behaves.... (GOD ***** IT I just inhaled a fly.... grrrr...) when I sit down my fat just seemlessly dispurses from my back into my stomach.... it just... mushes around under my skin

Sixth..... Aside from my love handles/back, some on my chest, and minimal amounts on my arms legs and stomach.... I'm pretty freakin lean. The right side of my chest/shoulder/arm is COVERED in thick tube like vascularity when I'm lifting weights.... even when relaxed there is some vascularity that shows on my shoulder and at the top of the bicep...

I've been at this for years now.... anytime anyone implies that I haven't been dedicated I want to tear their head off, because I HAVE. I have paid my dues in the squat rack, and in the kitchen. Aside from the occasional cheat or 2 days spree where i've fallen off the wagon, my diet and training have been on track 340 days of the year. The positive should FAAAAAAAAAAAR outweight the negative.

Seventh.... the minute I eat too much salt, or too many carbs, or too many calories in general.... my weight spikes up like crazy and I get bloated like a water balloon attatched to a fire hydrant.

I don't give up. I don't think anything really needs to be changed with my nutrition or training per'se. I just... don't understand how I'm still fat, and how my physique is still unimpressive w/o clothes on.

I've been asked probably 30 times this past school semester "damn how much do you bench" or similiar funny comments. (The best is when they come from cute cheer leaders that are like 4' tall and think you are the incredible hulk). In clothes I look like I'm jacked.... take my shirt off and take a few progress pictures and suddenly every envious moron on the internet wants to call me fat.

The definition I have during the physical act of lifting is insane... yet I still have this enormous freakin 'specialized spare tire'.....

is it mostly fat? Is it loose skin damning me to looking like shit forever? Is it in my head? I almost feel like the world's biggest idiot for walking around with confidence thinking I'm something I'm not. I've been spending so much time trying to not be fat in the head, that I looked in the mirror and realized I'm still just fat period....

**jkeithc82** · 07-02-2006, 06:13 PM

Who gives a shit what other people think. Do you workout for them, or yourself? You know where you've been and how hard you've worked to get there, so ***** them. It is your mindset man. When I stopped giving a shit about what others thought of the way I look, it becomes much easier.

Give you an example. The amount of weight I lift. I've never benched 225 for even one rep, nor have I squatted that amount. I still list my poundages in my logs for all to see, because I couldn't care less what someone thinks about me. I am working hard, and eventually one day I will lift more. I use anyone's negativity as bulletin board material for my next training day.

**skelooth** · 07-02-2006, 07:49 PM

Uhhh, looking past the text part of the sig.... (which I kind of agree with aside from the immaturity bit), I love the rep bars LOL...

Solid post too. Normally that's what I do (let it fuel the fire) but it gets damn frustrating sometimes. Sometimes I'm really not sure who I'm doing this for. I'm not sure of your past, so I don't know if anyone who was never 300lbs could really relate... but there is a certain amount of 'acceptance' I'm looking for. After being fat all my life I want nothing more than to just "not be fat". The words "you are fat" are very powerful to me, and I've physically assaulted people in the past who have called me fat in my teenage years.... the difference is now my critics are hiding behind the internet.

Now I have to sit and wonder .... "gee, will I just always be fat?" and "who have I been kidding this whole time?" ... negative thoughts that I'd rather not have.

As for your lifts, meh, it's a pretty common problem... I think it has to do with positioning of ligaments and the length of bones... I have the same issue.

Brent · 07-02-2006, 08:44 PM

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Fith is.... the way the fat behaves.... (GOD ***** IT I just inhaled a fly.... grrrr...) when I sit down my fat just seemlessly dispurses from my back into my stomach.... it just... mushes around under my skin

That is good. If your fat was firm that means it is pusing against your skin.

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Seventh.... the minute I eat too much salt, or too many carbs, or too many calories in general.... my weight spikes up like crazy and I get bloated like a water balloon attatched to a fire hydrant.

Don't let that bother you, its only temporary. Spikes in weight can be hard on the emotional game.

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Fourth is fat distribution.... and possibley loose skin.

I have loose skin. It only bothers me when I sit and the skin folds. The way you describe your distribution leads me to believe that you are on the final stage. Many men carry fat in certain areas until they are fully cut.

I have a question though.
Why do you care about your body fat percent?
A number isn't going to make you happy. You will be happy when you look the way you want to.

**skelooth** · 07-02-2006, 08:47 PM

I care about my BF% because I'd like to be more accurate when determing my diet (On occassion I do get pretty strict and log everything...). I'd also like to have a ball park figure of just 'how far away' I am, or even more so 'how far I've come'. Having love handles at 190lbs lbm is a lot easier to cope with than love handles at 180lbs lbm, you know what I mean?

No, a number won't make me happy.... but god damn it I look the same as I did a year ago, if not fatter. Having 10-15 lbs more muscle means NOTHING if it's just covered by fat and droopy love handles.

Brent · 07-02-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by skelooth

I care about my BF% because I'd like to be more accurate when determing my diet (On occassion I do get pretty strict and log everything...). I'd also like to have a ball park figure of just 'how far away' I am, or even more so 'how far I've come'. Having love handles at 190lbs lbm is a lot easier to cope with than love handles at 180lbs lbm, you know what I mean?

No, a number won't make me happy.... but god damn it I look the same as I did a year ago, if not fatter. Having 10-15 lbs more muscle means NOTHING if it's just covered by fat and droopy love handles.

Try some Gaspari Thyrotabs or thermolife Dicana.

Brent · 07-02-2006, 08:57 PM

Or if you really want to burn calories.....

**skelooth** · 07-02-2006, 08:58 PM

hmmm, i take my comment back about looking the same... I am a **** of a lot larger and more developed comparing pictures. Maybe I'm just expecting too much too soon....

Not really interested in dicana or thyrotabs. If they really worked everyone would be taking them. I'm taking clenbuterol right now, and I don't think there is no more potent fat burner aside from T3 or DNP

**skelooth** · 07-02-2006, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent

Or if you really want to burn calories.....

hah, there's no good place for bike riding around here. I know it sounds like an excuse... but the 'bike path' on the 'shared roads' is so narrow and pathetic... I am constantly almost hitting bicyclists, it's ridiculous.

Brent · 07-02-2006, 09:53 PM

I ride on the streets, follow traffic laws and usually keep pace too. (passing cars is the best)

**A.FreeRadical** · 07-02-2006, 10:57 PM

Stay the course and don't abandon your program. You have had to come a long way and you have done well.

A year ago, I thought I had to lose 10 lbs to get down to my "ripped" weight. I thought that would be in the 180s. I was wrong.

I have lost 28 lbs since then. I am now 168 lbs. I don't bother with bodyfat measurements. I just struggle to keep muscle and at the same time lose 1 lb of fat per week. I don't know what my final weight is going to be. When I look in the mirror and the love handles are gone, the six pack is clearly etched and my subcutaneous fat has melted away I will be there. Looking at my body and the little pockets of fat on my belly and my love handles tells me, that point can't be more than 4-5 lbs, if that.

My point is, you don't know how far you have to go until you "get there". That is frustrating, I know, but there is some number of lbs of fat that you still have to lose before you are pleased. (I know you have questioned if you will ever be pleased. I know you will. You have shown that you have the decipline. Your standards are high. I am sure you will acheive whatever you have set out to do.)

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**skelooth** · 07-02-2006, 11:11 PM

AFR, you consistently impress me with your progress and dedication.... I can only hope I can have even half of your piss and vinegar at your age. I believe you were one of the very original people I've ever conversed with on bodybuilding forums, and your advice and support is still as appreciated today as it was then. Thanks bro.

I can't believe you are still able to lose 1lbs a week. I feel like I'd kill for that kinda progress lately lol.

**DJSTARER** · 07-02-2006, 11:18 PM

Skel, you need to ask yourself some questions:

What are your life goals, and why? Are they goals for you? Or for others?

How have you REALLY changed in the past few years while taking up a healthy lifestyle.

Once you figure those things out, I think u'll find the answers you're looking for.

**skelooth** · 07-02-2006, 11:43 PM

Unfortunately it always comes back to this. That if I'm unhappy with my progress, or am frustrated with my progress, then it's a deeper lieing psychological issue.

Fine, I'm insane.

I just want to be lean. Why I do it and who I'm doing it for changes slightly depending on the stage of the moon.

I mean, I've changed ENORMOUSLY as a person. I am much more sociable and dedicated to everything I do.

But I just want to be lean. I don't care if it takes another 5 years, I will do it, but I want it sooner, not later.... my life is just passing me by and I'm being robbed of the life I want because I was too foolish to start this 10 years ago instead of 2.

It really comes down to the impact it has on my life as a whole.... I could say more about the way it effects things, but it just turns into the same canned responses I've gotten for years.... unfortunate but true.

My first social suicide was by pizza. After somehow surviving my second social suicide is just by trying to grab a piece of 'normal life' before I'm too old to do it anymore. Damn it just yesterday I was 24, now I'm almost 26. I'm old enough that most 18 year girls think it'd be creepy for me to date them. Of course it'd be a whole lot less creepy with that magical six pack everyone raves about.

**skelooth** · 07-02-2006, 11:49 PM

Yah know, the really sad part, is that I don't have enough will power to starve myself/anorexia, and as much as i've considered it I can't bring myself to purge/bulemia. Either I want it that bad that I'd turn to something hideously harmful to my body.... or I don't want it bad enough to go through with it. I'm so ****ed up in the head from being fat I just want it to be over with so I can obtain some level of normality.

**A.FreeRadical** · 07-03-2006, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

AFR, you consistently impress me with your progress and dedication.... I can only hope I can have even half of your piss and vinegar at your age. I believe you were one of the very original people I've ever conversed with on bodybuilding forums, and your advice and support is still as appreciated today as it was then. Thanks bro.

I can't believe you are still able to lose 1lbs a week. I feel like I'd kill for that kinda progress lately lol.

Thanks. I know you think life is passing you by and you are missing lots of things. If you are, it is not because of your body. You already look better than at least 70% of the coeds on college campuses. (I have just toured 8 universities with my son and I was amazed at how out of shape most college students are today.)

I have found the key to losing one lb. per week is clean food, lots of cardio and plenty of protein while I am doing cardio and working out. I am eating above my old maintenance level, just burning more than I am consuming. I also think eating bigger 2 days per week has helped to keep me on this roll. My carbs are moderate, 100-200 grams per day. This gives me enough energy to workout and do cardio for at least 2 hours 6 days per week.

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07-02-2006, 05:48 PM	#1
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	Let's discuss my fat. No really. Let's discuss it. I don't get it. I really don't. A troll on bodybuilding.com called me fat. It was the standard troll fair.... "Don't listen to skelooth, he is a fat newb. Look how fat he is after two years of bodybuilding " Ya know, I shouldn't let people get to me, but man that shit just knocks me on my ass and makes want to eat pizza and wendies all day like a broken man who's lost his will to live.... First off, NO ONE will take a guess at my BF%. Most people can post a picture of themselves and get a bunch of guesses about BF% which... for the most part average out to a pretty realistic number. NO ONE will take a guess at mine. Second... I can not get calipered w/o getting a comment about loose skin throwing the test off. Third... I'm yet to step on a Tanita scale that does not put me over 26% bodyfat which I find extremely hard to believe. Fourth is fat distribution.... and possibley loose skin. I don't understand. I have some loose skin on my tricep that the little bit of fat drops into making my arm look undefined as all hell when unflexxed, and robbing me of definition when it is flexed. (My arms were 19" when I was at the peak of my fatness).... not to mention, and this drives me nuts.... my hips are LEAN LEAN LEAN, I have vascularity on my hips, you can see the seperation of my glutes from the side.... but I carry all of my fat on my BACK and it gives me the most ridiculous set of love handles I've ever seen in my life. Talk about unfair. I carry very little fat on my actual 'belly'... it's all in my back... Fith is.... the way the fat behaves.... (GOD ***** IT I just inhaled a fly.... grrrr...) when I sit down my fat just seemlessly dispurses from my back into my stomach.... it just... mushes around under my skin Sixth..... Aside from my love handles/back, some on my chest, and minimal amounts on my arms legs and stomach.... I'm pretty freakin lean. The right side of my chest/shoulder/arm is COVERED in thick tube like vascularity when I'm lifting weights.... even when relaxed there is some vascularity that shows on my shoulder and at the top of the bicep... I've been at this for years now.... anytime anyone implies that I haven't been dedicated I want to tear their head off, because I HAVE. I have paid my dues in the squat rack, and in the kitchen. Aside from the occasional cheat or 2 days spree where i've fallen off the wagon, my diet and training have been on track 340 days of the year. The positive should FAAAAAAAAAAAR outweight the negative. Seventh.... the minute I eat too much salt, or too many carbs, or too many calories in general.... my weight spikes up like crazy and I get bloated like a water balloon attatched to a fire hydrant. I don't give up. I don't think anything really needs to be changed with my nutrition or training per'se. I just... don't understand how I'm still fat, and how my physique is still unimpressive w/o clothes on. I've been asked probably 30 times this past school semester "damn how much do you bench" or similiar funny comments. (The best is when they come from cute cheer leaders that are like 4' tall and think you are the incredible hulk). In clothes I look like I'm jacked.... take my shirt off and take a few progress pictures and suddenly every envious moron on the internet wants to call me fat. The definition I have during the physical act of lifting is insane... yet I still have this enormous freakin 'specialized spare tire'..... is it mostly fat? Is it loose skin damning me to looking like shit forever? Is it in my head? I almost feel like the world's biggest idiot for walking around with confidence thinking I'm something I'm not. I've been spending so much time trying to not be fat in the head, that I looked in the mirror and realized I'm still just fat period.... __________________

07-02-2006, 06:13 PM	#2
jkeithc82 Moderating Wizard Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,066 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 16	Who gives a shit what other people think. Do you workout for them, or yourself? You know where you've been and how hard you've worked to get there, so ***** them. It is your mindset man. When I stopped giving a shit about what others thought of the way I look, it becomes much easier. Give you an example. The amount of weight I lift. I've never benched 225 for even one rep, nor have I squatted that amount. I still list my poundages in my logs for all to see, because I couldn't care less what someone thinks about me. I am working hard, and eventually one day I will lift more. I use anyone's negativity as bulletin board material for my next training day. __________________ www.scivation.com www.primaforce.com

07-02-2006, 07:49 PM	#3
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	Uhhh, looking past the text part of the sig.... (which I kind of agree with aside from the immaturity bit), I love the rep bars LOL... Solid post too. Normally that's what I do (let it fuel the fire) but it gets damn frustrating sometimes. Sometimes I'm really not sure who I'm doing this for. I'm not sure of your past, so I don't know if anyone who was never 300lbs could really relate... but there is a certain amount of 'acceptance' I'm looking for. After being fat all my life I want nothing more than to just "not be fat". The words "you are fat" are very powerful to me, and I've physically assaulted people in the past who have called me fat in my teenage years.... the difference is now my critics are hiding behind the internet. Now I have to sit and wonder .... "gee, will I just always be fat?" and "who have I been kidding this whole time?" ... negative thoughts that I'd rather not have. As for your lifts, meh, it's a pretty common problem... I think it has to do with positioning of ligaments and the length of bones... I have the same issue. __________________

07-02-2006, 08:47 PM	#5
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	I care about my BF% because I'd like to be more accurate when determing my diet (On occassion I do get pretty strict and log everything...). I'd also like to have a ball park figure of just 'how far away' I am, or even more so 'how far I've come'. Having love handles at 190lbs lbm is a lot easier to cope with than love handles at 180lbs lbm, you know what I mean? No, a number won't make me happy.... but god damn it I look the same as I did a year ago, if not fatter. Having 10-15 lbs more muscle means NOTHING if it's just covered by fat and droopy love handles. __________________

07-02-2006, 08:57 PM	#7
Brent Pro Stature Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ND Posts: 367 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Or if you really want to burn calories..... __________________ Brent@AnabolicX.com NEW! Anabolic Xtreme Forum!

07-02-2006, 08:58 PM	#8
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	hmmm, i take my comment back about looking the same... I am a **** of a lot larger and more developed comparing pictures. Maybe I'm just expecting too much too soon.... Not really interested in dicana or thyrotabs. If they really worked everyone would be taking them. I'm taking clenbuterol right now, and I don't think there is no more potent fat burner aside from T3 or DNP __________________

07-02-2006, 09:53 PM	#10
Brent Pro Stature Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ND Posts: 367 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	I ride on the streets, follow traffic laws and usually keep pace too. (passing cars is the best) __________________ Brent@AnabolicX.com NEW! Anabolic Xtreme Forum!

07-02-2006, 10:57 PM	#11
A.FreeRadical the Epicurean Bodybuilder Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 57	Stay the course and don't abandon your program. You have had to come a long way and you have done well. A year ago, I thought I had to lose 10 lbs to get down to my "ripped" weight. I thought that would be in the 180s. I was wrong. I have lost 28 lbs since then. I am now 168 lbs. I don't bother with bodyfat measurements. I just struggle to keep muscle and at the same time lose 1 lb of fat per week. I don't know what my final weight is going to be. When I look in the mirror and the love handles are gone, the six pack is clearly etched and my subcutaneous fat has melted away I will be there. Looking at my body and the little pockets of fat on my belly and my love handles tells me, that point can't be more than 4-5 lbs, if that. My point is, you don't know how far you have to go until you "get there". That is frustrating, I know, but there is some number of lbs of fat that you still have to lose before you are pleased. (I know you have questioned if you will ever be pleased. I know you will. You have shown that you have the decipline. Your standards are high. I am sure you will acheive whatever you have set out to do.) * __________________ "Is it going to be the red pill or the blue pill, Neo? The red pill will answer the question 'What is the Matrix?' Choose carefully. Remember, all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more." Ron Paul for President, 2008 A.FreeRadical ...the Epicurean bodybuilder Height: 5'9", Age: 62, My last high on 2/1/2006 was 196 lbs. My last low on 8/08/2006 was 167.5 lbs. Cutting until I am lean Starting weight: 190 lbs. bodyfat: 19.7% November 27th: 183 lbs. bodyfat: 18.3% bodyfat Goal Weight: 176 lbs with no more than 10% bodyfat My recipe collection

07-02-2006, 11:11 PM	#12
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	AFR, you consistently impress me with your progress and dedication.... I can only hope I can have even half of your piss and vinegar at your age. I believe you were one of the very original people I've ever conversed with on bodybuilding forums, and your advice and support is still as appreciated today as it was then. Thanks bro. I can't believe you are still able to lose 1lbs a week. I feel like I'd kill for that kinda progress lately lol. __________________

07-02-2006, 11:18 PM	#13
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,983 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	Skel, you need to ask yourself some questions: What are your life goals, and why? Are they goals for you? Or for others? How have you REALLY changed in the past few years while taking up a healthy lifestyle. Once you figure those things out, I think u'll find the answers you're looking for. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

07-02-2006, 11:43 PM	#14
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	Unfortunately it always comes back to this. That if I'm unhappy with my progress, or am frustrated with my progress, then it's a deeper lieing psychological issue. Fine, I'm insane. I just want to be lean. Why I do it and who I'm doing it for changes slightly depending on the stage of the moon. I mean, I've changed ENORMOUSLY as a person. I am much more sociable and dedicated to everything I do. But I just want to be lean. I don't care if it takes another 5 years, I will do it, but I want it sooner, not later.... my life is just passing me by and I'm being robbed of the life I want because I was too foolish to start this 10 years ago instead of 2. It really comes down to the impact it has on my life as a whole.... I could say more about the way it effects things, but it just turns into the same canned responses I've gotten for years.... unfortunate but true. My first social suicide was by pizza. After somehow surviving my second social suicide is just by trying to grab a piece of 'normal life' before I'm too old to do it anymore. Damn it just yesterday I was 24, now I'm almost 26. I'm old enough that most 18 year girls think it'd be creepy for me to date them. Of course it'd be a whole lot less creepy with that magical six pack everyone raves about. __________________

07-02-2006, 11:49 PM	#15
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	Yah know, the really sad part, is that I don't have enough will power to starve myself/anorexia, and as much as i've considered it I can't bring myself to purge/bulemia. Either I want it that bad that I'd turn to something hideously harmful to my body.... or I don't want it bad enough to go through with it. I'm so ****ed up in the head from being fat I just want it to be over with so I can obtain some level of normality. __________________