OT/ Negative calorie foods.

Sikboy · 07-21-2005, 07:32 PM

I was curious after I heard about more neg cal foods, I already knew lettuce and celery burnt more cals than they provided, but I have learned many more fruit/veg contain neg cals, by which I mean it takes the body more cals to burn up these foods than the foods actually provide.

These are some of the foods on his list:

Vegetables

asparagus
beets
broccoli
cabbage (green)
carrots
cauliflower celery
chicory
chili peppers
cucumbers
endive
garlic lettuce
onions
papayas
spinach
turnip
zucchini

Fruits

apples
cranberries
grapefruit
lemons mangos
oranges
pineapple raspberries
strawberries
tangerines

Now I just want to be sure, that these foods contain neg cals, especially the tangerines and apples, if so, then I should be able to eat as many as I want and not worry about the calories.
If any1 has any more info on these foods, please speak up.

Thanks bros.
SiK

**DarkFalcon** · 07-21-2005, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sikboy

I was curious after I heard about more neg cal foods, I already knew lettuce and celery burnt more cals than they provided, but I have learned many more fruit/veg contain neg cals, by which I mean it takes the body more cals to burn up these foods than the foods actually provide.

These are some of the foods on his list:

Vegetables

asparagus
beets
broccoli
cabbage (green)
carrots
cauliflower celery
chicory
chili peppers
cucumbers
endive
garlic lettuce
onions
papayas
spinach
turnip
zucchini

Fruits

apples
cranberries
grapefruit
lemons mangos
oranges
pineapple raspberries
strawberries
tangerines

Now I just want to be sure, that these foods contain neg cals, especially the tangerines and apples, if so, then I should be able to eat as many as I want and not worry about the calories.
If any1 has any more info on these foods, please speak up.

Thanks bros.
SiK

With the high levels of fructose in the fruits I find it hard to believe any of them could have neg. calories. Some of those veggies too. I'd need to look into them to be sure.

**MurphMan** · 07-21-2005, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFalcon

With the high levels of fructose in the fruits I find it hard to believe any of them could have neg. calories. Some of those veggies too. I'd need to look into them to be sure.

That is what I was thinking. There is no way strawberries are neg cal food. Sikboy, where did you get this list? Also, I think you should post this in the Nutrition forum to get more feedback.

**EME** · 07-22-2005, 01:44 AM

Below is an exerpt from a journal article I saved on this subject some time ago.

To sum it up:

There have never been any conclusive studies to prove that the majority of the foods on the list truly require more calories to digest than they contain.

There have been some studies done with celery, which seem to suggest that it may take more calories to digest than it contains, but celery has so few calories to begin with, that it's hardly worth mentioning.

The "list" is largely a marketing tactic that has been used to sell the "Negative Calorie Diet" for many years now.

- EME

From the article:

When marketers say a food has negative calories, they are claiming that the body burns more calories digesting the food than it actually contains.

There is no scientific proof that certain foods utilize more calories than they contain. To my knowledge, the calculations used to determine these claims have not been obtained through reliable research methods and have not been published in peer-reviewed journals. The lack of research in this area is probably due to the fact that research takes time and money. Researchers only tend to pursue hypotheses that are worthwhile and, given the unlikelihood that the negative calorie theory is correct, researchers are not willing to spend their resources on this claim.

From a physiological standpoint, our bodies are extremely efficient at using the calories contained in food. Thank goodness for this incredible efficiency or we, as a species, might not be here today!

Since the number of calories in question is extremely small, we should touch on the impact that the negative calorie theory would have on weight loss – even if it were true. In a nutshell, the impact would be insignificant. For example, let's say that instead of a stalk of celery providing 10 calories, it actually burned 10 calories – a 100% reversal, which is extremely unlikely! Even so, you would have to eat 350 stalks of celery to lose 1 lb. I don't call that eating for health, eating for enjoyment or eating to lose weight – I call that crazy! It is much more effective to manipulate calorie deficits by adjusting total calories ingested and total calories burned through exercise.

Having said that, most of the foods that I have seen listed on "negative calorie food" lists are actually quite healthy, nutrient rich and filled with fiber (e.g., celery, carrots, lettuce, broccoli, onions, and cabbage.). Therefore, eating these types of foods is highly encouraged. However, incorporate them into your diet in a balanced and reasonable way. Remember, a healthy diet should be nutrient rich, balanced, enjoyable and sustainable over a lifetime.

It's in our nature to seek out that magical pill or miracle diet to make it all so easy. However, I hope that this column revealed the unlikely nature that these claims have any validity or significance to actual weight loss or maintenance. If people have been successful using this "negative calorie" diet, it is most likely due to decreasing their total caloric input by replacing high calorie foods with low calorie foods and increasing satiety by eating low-energy dense foods.

**builtbeast** · 07-23-2005, 06:31 AM

I can't see how any fruit would be negative calorie.

Maybe if you throw some DNP in... :stickpoke

**powerman2000** · 07-23-2005, 11:07 AM

This should be in the nutrition forum so I will put it there.

**Trick D** · 07-23-2005, 02:42 PM

I think it is very strange that apples and other fruits would be "negative calories" just too much natural sugars.

**powerman2000** · 07-26-2005, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trick D

I think it is very strange that apples and other fruits would be "negative calories" just too much natural sugars.

Thats why they aren't. There are only a handful of negative calorie foods in the world and none of them are fruits.

Phosphate bond · 08-18-2005, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFalcon

Some of those veggies too.

Lettuce is high in vitamin K though. Do a search on pubmed and you will find all kinds of effects vitamin K has on calcium release from the sarcoplasmic reticulum.

Vitamin K has a traditional function in the body (blood clotting factors), but there is a lot of evidence it also modulates insulin release in the pancreas as well.

Lots happening with vitamin K that nobody thinks about.

07-21-2005, 07:32 PM	#1
Sikboy Amateur Join Date: May 2005 Location: Amityville, Cheshire, UK. Posts: 35 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	OT/ Negative calorie foods. I was curious after I heard about more neg cal foods, I already knew lettuce and celery burnt more cals than they provided, but I have learned many more fruit/veg contain neg cals, by which I mean it takes the body more cals to burn up these foods than the foods actually provide. These are some of the foods on his list: Vegetables asparagus beets broccoli cabbage (green) carrots cauliflower celery chicory chili peppers cucumbers endive garlic lettuce onions papayas spinach turnip zucchini Fruits apples cranberries grapefruit lemons mangos oranges pineapple raspberries strawberries tangerines Now I just want to be sure, that these foods contain neg cals, especially the tangerines and apples, if so, then I should be able to eat as many as I want and not worry about the calories. If any1 has any more info on these foods, please speak up. Thanks bros. SiK __________________ R.I.P Mr H.I.T MIke Mentzer. R.I.P Ray Mentzer. ALL'S YA GOTTA DO IS TRAIN HARD, SAY YER PRAYERS AND EAT YA DIANABOLS BROTHER! Chemically Augmented, Psychologically Demented. PSYCHOTICALLY TORMENTED!!. Whatever cant kill me, has allready made me 10 X stronger!! God made men Men made steroids Steroids made gods! MOD @ www.Universal-Muscle.COM Check uz out yo! NO SOURCE CHECKS!!!

07-22-2005, 01:44 AM	#4
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,651 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 55	Below is an exerpt from a journal article I saved on this subject some time ago. To sum it up: There have never been any conclusive studies to prove that the majority of the foods on the list truly require more calories to digest than they contain. There have been some studies done with celery, which seem to suggest that it may take more calories to digest than it contains, but celery has so few calories to begin with, that it's hardly worth mentioning. The "list" is largely a marketing tactic that has been used to sell the "Negative Calorie Diet" for many years now. - EME From the article: When marketers say a food has negative calories, they are claiming that the body burns more calories digesting the food than it actually contains. There is no scientific proof that certain foods utilize more calories than they contain. To my knowledge, the calculations used to determine these claims have not been obtained through reliable research methods and have not been published in peer-reviewed journals. The lack of research in this area is probably due to the fact that research takes time and money. Researchers only tend to pursue hypotheses that are worthwhile and, given the unlikelihood that the negative calorie theory is correct, researchers are not willing to spend their resources on this claim. From a physiological standpoint, our bodies are extremely efficient at using the calories contained in food. Thank goodness for this incredible efficiency or we, as a species, might not be here today! Since the number of calories in question is extremely small, we should touch on the impact that the negative calorie theory would have on weight loss – even if it were true. In a nutshell, the impact would be insignificant. For example, let's say that instead of a stalk of celery providing 10 calories, it actually burned 10 calories – a 100% reversal, which is extremely unlikely! Even so, you would have to eat 350 stalks of celery to lose 1 lb. I don't call that eating for health, eating for enjoyment or eating to lose weight – I call that crazy! It is much more effective to manipulate calorie deficits by adjusting total calories ingested and total calories burned through exercise. Having said that, most of the foods that I have seen listed on "negative calorie food" lists are actually quite healthy, nutrient rich and filled with fiber (e.g., celery, carrots, lettuce, broccoli, onions, and cabbage.). Therefore, eating these types of foods is highly encouraged. However, incorporate them into your diet in a balanced and reasonable way. Remember, a healthy diet should be nutrient rich, balanced, enjoyable and sustainable over a lifetime. It's in our nature to seek out that magical pill or miracle diet to make it all so easy. However, I hope that this column revealed the unlikely nature that these claims have any validity or significance to actual weight loss or maintenance. If people have been successful using this "negative calorie" diet, it is most likely due to decreasing their total caloric input by replacing high calorie foods with low calorie foods and increasing satiety by eating low-energy dense foods. __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.PhysiqueFXonline.com www.MichaelandKendra.com My wife, and IFBB Fitness Pro Kendra Elias' personal site: www.KendraElias.com Proud member of Team ALR: www.ALRIndustries.com

07-23-2005, 11:07 AM	#6
powerman2000 The Old Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,288 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 199	This should be in the nutrition forum so I will put it there. __________________ Don't forget to periodize Best BP 507 lbs competitive Best Squat 705 lbs competitive Best DL 650 lbs competitive Guns don't kill people, men who come home early do. My workout log http://www.ironmass.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6247

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

07-23-2005, 06:31 AM	#5
builtbeast Großer Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: In a very red state Posts: 1,828 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 98	I can't see how any fruit would be negative calorie. Maybe if you throw some DNP in... :stickpoke