to much good fats bad?

yazf909 · 01-06-2007, 05:35 AM

i tryed looking it up and couldnt find a answer, what im asking is consuming allot of good fats have any negative side effects? because iv been consuming, pb, olive oil, fish pills, and my new lover avocado mmm taste soo good

ja_ke · 01-06-2007, 12:16 PM

It what way do you mean bad? I Also consume tons of fats and have never had any problem.

**NYCmitch25** · 01-06-2007, 01:35 PM

no. good question.

i also believe the more diff sources the better ie flax, fish, pb, olive oil etc.

If your calorie counting or concerned about w8t lose then i would watch pb, olive oil intake. 1tbsp olive oil 120kals, same with pb... if i were you i wouldnt be concerned at all

**madman911** · 01-06-2007, 03:20 PM

Moderate amounts of fat are okay. How much of your daily cals are coming from fat is the question that needs to be answered. Excessive amounts of fat are not a good thing. If you're getting more than 40% of your daily cals from fat, you may actually decrease your testosterone levels. The research is still in its infancy, but there are some studies to suggest that high fat diet actually decrease testosterone levels. Also, don't forget that fat is the easiest macronutrient for your body to store in your adipose cells (that's pretty much common sense) regardless of whether it is good or bad fat, so consuming excessive fat will not only send your caloric intake through the roof, but also pack very efficiently into your fat stores.

**NYCmitch25** · 01-06-2007, 04:11 PM

^good point!

**Peaked_18** · 01-06-2007, 04:36 PM

Don't go over board, but high fat diets are a lot better assuming you know the right fats to eat.

El Capitan · 01-06-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

Don't go over board, but high fat diets are a lot better assuming you know the right fats to eat.

What is considered "overboard"? Or does it depend on the person?

EC

**Peaked_18** · 01-06-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by El Capitan

What is considered "overboard"? Or does it depend on the person?

EC

Obviously something more than 50%, because obviously proteins and carbs are necessary and will need more room in your diet.

**DJSTARER** · 01-06-2007, 09:21 PM

the answer to this questions seems simple: assuming you are getting at least 30% of ur kcals from protein, you either have two energy sources

a) a low fat diet
b) a low carb diet
c) a well balanced diet containing both carbs and fats

There are many diets which have a very even balance of fat and carbs for enery sources. Generally, these are TKDs, or created for diabetics. If you are an endo, keep the fats high (there is a limit.... somewhere around 40-50% assuming u ARE NOT IN KETOSIS), if you are an ecto, keep carbs super high with some fat, and if you are like most ( a blend of each), you will want liberal carbs amounts and moderate fats. Always protein. Days without lifting may necessitate a higher fat intake.

yazf909 · 01-07-2007, 01:20 AM

the thing is i dont have a strict plan as far as day after day of the same routines, but id have to say some days im no doubt getting over 50% in fats, because my man source of protiens come frome tuna, cottage cheese(fat free), and my moms cooking (rice, chicken, meat, steak) but tuna is pretty low in calories about 150 a can, and my cottage cheese is about 80 cal per serving, i add fats to every single meal, i use all types of different fats virgin olive oil on salads, tuna and avocado, tuna and pb, moms cooking and fish pills, peanut butter and cottage cheese, i plan my days like if i know im gonna eat high carbs (bread, moms cooking) i keep my fat low(pb and cc before bed) but i have allot of days where i do low carb and high protien and fats, but you guys answered my question nothing over 40%, im gonna make a new diet plan and keep it there thanks

**skelooth** · 01-07-2007, 01:42 AM

I love high fat diets. They make me feel good. Fat makes an awesome energy source. I used to do 65-70% of my cals from fat and I loved it. I just don't think it's wise to do it long term, though some advocates disagree.

I believe I am the only 'advocate' of keto dieting here.

**Peaked_18** · 01-07-2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

I love high fat diets. They make me feel good. Fat makes an awesome energy source. I used to do 65-70% of my cals from fat and I loved it. I just don't think it's wise to do it long term, though some advocates disagree.

I believe I am the only 'advocate' of keto dieting here.

TCD here.

**A.FreeRadical** · 01-07-2007, 03:08 PM

A max of 40-45% would be a good target for fats. Some good carbs are neccessary and protein is very important for muscle growth. I am not saying that 50% coming from good fats is bad, but I don't know how to do that while getting enough protein and good carbs.

btw, make sure your peanut butter is natural with no bad fats (trans, hydrogenated, etc.) Just peanuts in the ingredients.

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El Capitan · 01-07-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by A.FreeRadical

Just peanuts in the ingredients.

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Sometimes it says salt as well.

EC

**skelooth** · 01-07-2007, 03:19 PM

[Devil's Advocate]
Saturated fat is not the devil pop culture has made it out to be. It's required to be eaten for healthy testosterone levels. Furthermore, there is no hard link between cholesterol and heart problems, only theory. There's a lot of articles on the internet that call it "bad science."
[/Devil's Advocate]

**DJSTARER** · 01-07-2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

[Devil's Advocate]
Saturated fat is not the devil pop culture has made it out to be. It's required to be eaten for healthy testosterone levels. Furthermore, there is no hard link between cholesterol and heart problems, only theory. There's a lot of articles on the internet that call it "bad science."
[/Devil's Advocate]

I've ALWAYS been a praiser of saturated fats. They play a HUGE role in T production... way more than people WANT to give them credit for. I try to get all mine from animal sources. High in heme iron. The combo is potent.

**skelooth** · 01-07-2007, 06:16 PM

Yup

I usually see a large increase in strength when I start eating a lot of red fatty animal meat. That's probably why I did so well on keto, but I've heard other people say similiar things about meat as well.

I don't know why pop culture says animal fat is bad... for one thing, it's the tastiest part haha.

**A.FreeRadical** · 01-07-2007, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

[Devil's Advocate]
Saturated fat is not the devil pop culture has made it out to be. It's required to be eaten for healthy testosterone levels. Furthermore, there is no hard link between cholesterol and heart problems, only theory. There's a lot of articles on the internet that call it "bad science."
[/Devil's Advocate]

There is dietary "cholesterol" and there is cholesterol in the blood. These are not the same thing. You may be right about there not being a link between dietary cholestory and blood cholesterol. This is in dispute.

As to diets with a lot of saturated fatty foods, there is a link between eating an excessive saturated fats diet and high LDL cholesterol. There is also a high correlation between LDL cholesterol and arteriosclerosis. (hardening of the arteries)

Does this mean there is absolute proof that saturated fats cause heart disease? No, but I think it is wise to play the odds in your favor. I eat beef and other meats with saturated fats and still keep my saturated fats below 10% of my total calories.

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01-06-2007, 05:35 AM	#1
yazf909 Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 340 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	to much good fats bad? i tryed looking it up and couldnt find a answer, what im asking is consuming allot of good fats have any negative side effects? because iv been consuming, pb, olive oil, fish pills, and my new lover avocado mmm taste soo good

01-06-2007, 01:35 PM	#3
NYCmitch25 Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,088 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 49	no. good question. i also believe the more diff sources the better ie flax, fish, pb, olive oil etc. If your calorie counting or concerned about w8t lose then i would watch pb, olive oil intake. 1tbsp olive oil 120kals, same with pb... if i were you i wouldnt be concerned at all __________________ "I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." - Rollins

01-06-2007, 03:20 PM	#4
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,525 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	Moderate amounts of fat are okay. How much of your daily cals are coming from fat is the question that needs to be answered. Excessive amounts of fat are not a good thing. If you're getting more than 40% of your daily cals from fat, you may actually decrease your testosterone levels. The research is still in its infancy, but there are some studies to suggest that high fat diet actually decrease testosterone levels. Also, don't forget that fat is the easiest macronutrient for your body to store in your adipose cells (that's pretty much common sense) regardless of whether it is good or bad fat, so consuming excessive fat will not only send your caloric intake through the roof, but also pack very efficiently into your fat stores. __________________ Millennium Sport Technologies Sponsored Athlete http://www.millenniumsport.net IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

01-06-2007, 04:11 PM	#5
NYCmitch25 Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,088 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 49	^good point! __________________ "I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." - Rollins

01-06-2007, 09:21 PM	#9
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,983 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	the answer to this questions seems simple: assuming you are getting at least 30% of ur kcals from protein, you either have two energy sources a) a low fat diet b) a low carb diet c) a well balanced diet containing both carbs and fats There are many diets which have a very even balance of fat and carbs for enery sources. Generally, these are TKDs, or created for diabetics. If you are an endo, keep the fats high (there is a limit.... somewhere around 40-50% assuming u ARE NOT IN KETOSIS), if you are an ecto, keep carbs super high with some fat, and if you are like most ( a blend of each), you will want liberal carbs amounts and moderate fats. Always protein. Days without lifting may necessitate a higher fat intake. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

01-06-2007, 12:16 PM	#2
ja_ke Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Allen Park, MI Posts: 207 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	It what way do you mean bad? I Also consume tons of fats and have never had any problem.

01-06-2007, 04:36 PM	#6
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,297 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	Don't go over board, but high fat diets are a lot better assuming you know the right fats to eat.

01-07-2007, 01:20 AM	#10
yazf909 Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 340 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	the thing is i dont have a strict plan as far as day after day of the same routines, but id have to say some days im no doubt getting over 50% in fats, because my man source of protiens come frome tuna, cottage cheese(fat free), and my moms cooking (rice, chicken, meat, steak) but tuna is pretty low in calories about 150 a can, and my cottage cheese is about 80 cal per serving, i add fats to every single meal, i use all types of different fats virgin olive oil on salads, tuna and avocado, tuna and pb, moms cooking and fish pills, peanut butter and cottage cheese, i plan my days like if i know im gonna eat high carbs (bread, moms cooking) i keep my fat low(pb and cc before bed) but i have allot of days where i do low carb and high protien and fats, but you guys answered my question nothing over 40%, im gonna make a new diet plan and keep it there thanks

01-07-2007, 01:42 AM	#11
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	I love high fat diets. They make me feel good. Fat makes an awesome energy source. I used to do 65-70% of my cals from fat and I loved it. I just don't think it's wise to do it long term, though some advocates disagree. I believe I am the only 'advocate' of keto dieting here. __________________

01-07-2007, 03:08 PM	#13
A.FreeRadical the Epicurean Bodybuilder Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 57	A max of 40-45% would be a good target for fats. Some good carbs are neccessary and protein is very important for muscle growth. I am not saying that 50% coming from good fats is bad, but I don't know how to do that while getting enough protein and good carbs. btw, make sure your peanut butter is natural with no bad fats (trans, hydrogenated, etc.) Just peanuts in the ingredients. * __________________ "Is it going to be the red pill or the blue pill, Neo? The red pill will answer the question 'What is the Matrix?' Choose carefully. Remember, all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more." Ron Paul for President, 2008 A.FreeRadical ...the Epicurean bodybuilder Height: 5'9", Age: 62, My last high on 2/1/2006 was 196 lbs. My last low on 8/08/2006 was 167.5 lbs. Cutting until I am lean Starting weight: 190 lbs. bodyfat: 19.7% November 27th: 183 lbs. bodyfat: 18.3% bodyfat Goal Weight: 176 lbs with no more than 10% bodyfat My recipe collection

01-07-2007, 03:19 PM	#15
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	[Devil's Advocate] Saturated fat is not the devil pop culture has made it out to be. It's required to be eaten for healthy testosterone levels. Furthermore, there is no hard link between cholesterol and heart problems, only theory. There's a lot of articles on the internet that call it "bad science." [/Devil's Advocate] __________________

01-07-2007, 06:16 PM	#17
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	Yup I usually see a large increase in strength when I start eating a lot of red fatty animal meat. That's probably why I did so well on keto, but I've heard other people say similiar things about meat as well. I don't know why pop culture says animal fat is bad... for one thing, it's the tastiest part haha. __________________