Excess of proteins

jaythebuilder · 02-22-2007, 06:58 PM

Hi, i apologize if there is an answer. It´s true that excess of proteins can be stored as fat?

**BigZeke** · 02-22-2007, 07:05 PM

Yes. They are the last likely to be stored as fat however. I would rather eat excess protein than excess carbs. But I've never been a big fan of carbs anyways.

**Ikaika** · 02-22-2007, 07:27 PM

Proteins are much less likely to be stored as fat than carbs(especially simple carbs) and fat. The most important thing to remember is that if you consume more calories than you expend, you're going to gain weight. If you're training right and eating correct macronutrient ratios you'll gain muscle, if not you'll gain more fat.

**DJSTARER** · 02-22-2007, 07:31 PM

from a scientific standpoint, these guys are right.... but i have seen absolutely NO evidence in my experience that my protein intake can store fat. I can eat 4000 kcals, or 5000 kcals, if all those extra kcals are 250g of protein, i wouldn't gain an ounce. Constipated... yes.

**Ikaika** · 02-22-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

Constipated... yes.

Dude I wanna know how you do it, cuz if i eat too much protein(>400g) I shit my life out.

**DJSTARER** · 02-22-2007, 09:46 PM

lol. i eat too much junk and not enough fiber is all

**skelooth** · 02-22-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

lol. i eat too much junk and not enough fiber is all

When I eat too much CLEAN food I start blowing up like a water balloon... if I eat junk food I blow up twice as fast... Let's trade

**romanaz** · 02-23-2007, 12:14 AM

lmao @ this thread

**A.FreeRadical** · 02-27-2007, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJSTARER

from a scientific standpoint, these guys are right.... but i have seen absolutely NO evidence in my experience that my protein intake can store fat. I can eat 4000 kcals, or 5000 kcals, if all those extra kcals are 250g of protein, i wouldn't gain an ounce. Constipated... yes.

I read somewhere that all macro-nutrient (proteins/carbs/fats) calories are not equal when it comes to metabolizing foods. IOWs, it takes more energy to digest protein than it does to digest fats and carbs. If true, that could explain why you don't gain with a caloric surplus from eating proteins. I think the article said it takes 1 out of 4 calories in a gram of protein to convert protein into fat (storage) or glucose (energy). Can anyone confirm this? I don't mean to be starting an urban legend.

Mix psyllium into your protein shakes for the constipation.

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**DJSTARER** · 02-28-2007, 04:34 AM

those studies are right on. i'v seen that a ton of places.

**davtown** · 02-28-2007, 05:02 AM

"unused protein". Will it turn to fat? Anything will if you consume an excess - however this is not the protein itself, it's the calories. Your body burns a certain amount of calories each day - if the amount of calories you consume exceeds this number, you will gain weight. If the amount of cals you eat is lower than this number, you will lose weight. Pretty simple concept. So you shouldn't be asking yourself "is this excess protein turning into fat?", instead get an idea of how many calories your body needs for stable weight, and apply the simple concept I explained before in relation to your goals. 300-500 extra cals a week for weight gain, 300-500 less cals a week for weight loss. If you eat 500 extra cals a day, expect to gain about a pound a week (not counting water weight). Remember that as you gain or lose weight, the amount of calories needed to maintain that specific weight will change as well.

Now here's the tricky part. If you are gaining weight, you are going to gain fat, there is no way around this. However, how much of that extra weight is fat can be greatly altered by your actions. What I mean by this is A) you need to be doing resistance training (weight lifting), and B) nutrient timing. Nutrient timing? What the heck is that?? Well I'm glad you asked

What I mean is to A) adjust your diet so that you are eating the proper nutrients (carbs, fat, and protein) at the right time of day, and b) you are allotting the proper amount of calories to each meal, evenly split throughout the day. Some like eat bigger calorie meals earlier in the day, gradually lowering the amount of calories in each meal throughout the day.

As a general rule, I can say that you should eat about every 3 hours - include lean protein at every meal, carbs in the morning and/or around your workout, and add fats to the meals that A) don't have carbs, and B) don't naturally contain enough fat. (for example, if you just ate a chicken breast with ~35 g protein and no fat or carbs, you should add fats to that meal.) While this works for many, if you have a naturally fast metabolism and have a hard time getting fat, don't be afraid to pound in the carbs + fat all day long.

One final thing I'll add is that for 'unused protein' (your original question ), it isn't necessarily how much protein you can use in a day, it's how much you can use in a given time frame, i.e. one meal. Unless you're eating more than 60g of protein at once, then I wouldn't begin to worry about it - even then, it's a highly individualized concept that depends on the persons weight, genetics, body composition, and more.

**DJSTARER** · 02-28-2007, 02:53 PM

sweet post

**romanaz** · 02-28-2007, 03:33 PM

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to davtown again.

great post bro!

**DJSTARER** · 02-28-2007, 06:20 PM

^ditto

**davtown** · 02-28-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

sweet post

Quote:

Originally Posted by romanaz

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to davtown again.

great post bro!

Thanks fellas.

02-22-2007, 06:58 PM	#1
jaythebuilder New Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Excess of proteins Hi, i apologize if there is an answer. It´s true that excess of proteins can be stored as fat?

02-22-2007, 07:05 PM	#2
BigZeke Bringing Lat Flares Back Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hell Raisin' and Girl Chasin' Posts: 2,282 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 69	Yes. They are the last likely to be stored as fat however. I would rather eat excess protein than excess carbs. But I've never been a big fan of carbs anyways. __________________ Eat like a horse. Lift like a demon. Sleep like the dead. Only cheat on girls, never on your workouts My Workout Journal "I like the color red because it's a fire. And I see myself as always being on fire." -- Arnold Schwarzenegger

02-22-2007, 07:27 PM	#3
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,793 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 214	Proteins are much less likely to be stored as fat than carbs(especially simple carbs) and fat. The most important thing to remember is that if you consume more calories than you expend, you're going to gain weight. If you're training right and eating correct macronutrient ratios you'll gain muscle, if not you'll gain more fat. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

02-22-2007, 07:31 PM	#4
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,978 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	from a scientific standpoint, these guys are right.... but i have seen absolutely NO evidence in my experience that my protein intake can store fat. I can eat 4000 kcals, or 5000 kcals, if all those extra kcals are 250g of protein, i wouldn't gain an ounce. Constipated... yes. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

02-22-2007, 09:46 PM	#6
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,978 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	lol. i eat too much junk and not enough fiber is all __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

02-28-2007, 04:34 AM	#10
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,978 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	those studies are right on. i'v seen that a ton of places. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

02-28-2007, 05:02 AM	#11
davtown OM NOM NOM NOM Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,346 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 128	"unused protein". Will it turn to fat? Anything will if you consume an excess - however this is not the protein itself, it's the calories. Your body burns a certain amount of calories each day - if the amount of calories you consume exceeds this number, you will gain weight. If the amount of cals you eat is lower than this number, you will lose weight. Pretty simple concept. So you shouldn't be asking yourself "is this excess protein turning into fat?", instead get an idea of how many calories your body needs for stable weight, and apply the simple concept I explained before in relation to your goals. 300-500 extra cals a week for weight gain, 300-500 less cals a week for weight loss. If you eat 500 extra cals a day, expect to gain about a pound a week (not counting water weight). Remember that as you gain or lose weight, the amount of calories needed to maintain that specific weight will change as well. Now here's the tricky part. If you are gaining weight, you are going to gain fat, there is no way around this. However, how much of that extra weight is fat can be greatly altered by your actions. What I mean by this is A) you need to be doing resistance training (weight lifting), and B) nutrient timing. Nutrient timing? What the heck is that?? Well I'm glad you asked What I mean is to A) adjust your diet so that you are eating the proper nutrients (carbs, fat, and protein) at the right time of day, and b) you are allotting the proper amount of calories to each meal, evenly split throughout the day. Some like eat bigger calorie meals earlier in the day, gradually lowering the amount of calories in each meal throughout the day. As a general rule, I can say that you should eat about every 3 hours - include lean protein at every meal, carbs in the morning and/or around your workout, and add fats to the meals that A) don't have carbs, and B) don't naturally contain enough fat. (for example, if you just ate a chicken breast with ~35 g protein and no fat or carbs, you should add fats to that meal.) While this works for many, if you have a naturally fast metabolism and have a hard time getting fat, don't be afraid to pound in the carbs + fat all day long. One final thing I'll add is that for 'unused protein' (your original question ), it isn't necessarily how much protein you can use in a day, it's how much you can use in a given time frame, i.e. one meal. Unless you're eating more than 60g of protein at once, then I wouldn't begin to worry about it - even then, it's a highly individualized concept that depends on the persons weight, genetics, body composition, and more. __________________ --Training Journal-- current/goal D: 350/380 S: 280/300 B: 235/260

02-28-2007, 02:53 PM	#12
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,978 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	sweet post __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

02-28-2007, 06:20 PM	#14
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,978 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	^ditto __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

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