Endo/Mesos, what is your protein/carb/fat breakdown when cutting?

**johnsbod** · 09-25-2005, 12:17 AM

^^^^^

I'm starting to cut as of October 1st and am trying to get my diet down a little better this time. I seem to be fairly carb sensitive though and am currently only taking in trace carbs after dinner time. When I'm bulking I normally stick with something like 45/35/20 and I was thinking of upping the protein even more for something like 50/35/15 this time around.

**skelooth** · 09-25-2005, 12:35 AM

You'd probably do good to put more fat and less carbs in your diet. I know people will attack me for advocated "low carb", but in my postings I've seen that people with endomorphic bodies who are carb sensitive do VERY well when they keep their carbs low. By low I mean under 100g a day or lower.

My breakdown right now is 65% fat, 30% protein, and 5% carbs ... (For the MOST part, sometimes I eat a lot of veggies). Basically I just don't eat any starches or sugars otherwise the rest of my diet is very 'normal' looking.

Keeping your carbs moderate is definitely the way to go. Just make sure to have a low fat carb up once or more a week. Or you could try one of the various carb cycling routines that have been floating around.

**johnsbod** · 09-25-2005, 12:38 AM

Thanks for the advice.

Maybe I'll try something like 50/25/25 this time around. I'm going to be taking Rebound and they tell you in the directions to take it with a fatty meal for the best results, so I'll need to be consuming some fat late at night anyway. I'll probably just have a protein shake with some olive oil and fish oil. I've tried the type of diet you follow before and that is too few carbs for me, but once I start consuming too many carbs I blow up pretty quickly.

**skelooth** · 09-25-2005, 01:15 AM

Yeah, that's why I say moderate carb diet

Have you tried TKD diet?? TKD in a nutshell:
all of your meals are fat/protein, but your preworkout meal, pwo shake, and pwo meal are carb/protein.

Something like that might work good for you. It would be easy to get in 120+g of carbs while keeping insulin levels steady/low through out the day. (I'm sold on the idea that insulin control is a BIG piece of the fat loss puzzle).

I don't know why they call it TKD, it should be TCD, because if you workout often like most of us do, you'd barely ever get into ketosis.

When I was taking ATD i'd take it with breakfast, and my normal breakfast is 5 whole eggs scrambled in non stick spray.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

**johnsbod** · 09-25-2005, 01:26 AM

I have tried something like that but it wasn't enough carbs for me.

**BigZeke** · 09-25-2005, 02:26 AM

Average, 53 P/29 C/19 F. Expect that to change slightly once I finish my meals for today. But that's what it usually is.

Andrew69 · 09-25-2005, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

I'm sold on the idea that insulin control is a BIG piece of the fat loss puzzle.

Me too, at least for me.

Johnsbod, you say that TKD is not enough carbs for you. Have you tried it before?

**johnsbod** · 09-25-2005, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew69

Me too, at least for me.

Johnsbod, you say that TKD is not enough carbs for you. Have you tried it before?

Yes.

Ihateeveryone · 09-26-2005, 12:14 AM

55P/31C/14F. Need more almonds and/or peanuts.

Steve_W · 09-26-2005, 01:12 AM

I don't really think ratios are important but I use around the 40/40/20 as a baseline, and usually up fat/lower carbs as necessary.

**Sholiz** · 09-26-2005, 01:47 AM

Hell me, I just add more cadio and add MORE fats while I'm trying to shed BF. Just stay stricter with carbs and maybe turn those down closer to 250-300g instead of my 450-500 while adding mass.

**BigZeke** · 09-26-2005, 05:25 AM

What type of fats do you add?

Steve_W · 09-26-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

(I'm sold on the idea that insulin control is a BIG piece of the fat loss puzzle).

While chronically high insulin levels is not a smart idea for many reasons, the insulin > fat storage is HIGHLY oversimplified. Fat can be stored perfectly easily in the absence of insulin. Personally I feel people restrict carbs way too much, even if "carb sensitive". The cons of very low carbing it far outweight the pros, especially for a long period of time.

**builtbeast** · 09-27-2005, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigZeke

What type of fats do you add?

I get a lot of fat from natural peanut butter, fish oil, and flax oil. And for cooking always use olive oil.

Those are what I have primarily for fat.

09-25-2005, 12:17 AM	#1
johnsbod Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2,733 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	Endo/Mesos, what is your protein/carb/fat breakdown when cutting? ^^^^^ I'm starting to cut as of October 1st and am trying to get my diet down a little better this time. I seem to be fairly carb sensitive though and am currently only taking in trace carbs after dinner time. When I'm bulking I normally stick with something like 45/35/20 and I was thinking of upping the protein even more for something like 50/35/15 this time around. __________________ Wenn Sie Deutsch sprechen können, posten Sie hier. Misc Perv #69

09-25-2005, 12:35 AM	#2
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,200 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	You'd probably do good to put more fat and less carbs in your diet. I know people will attack me for advocated "low carb", but in my postings I've seen that people with endomorphic bodies who are carb sensitive do VERY well when they keep their carbs low. By low I mean under 100g a day or lower. My breakdown right now is 65% fat, 30% protein, and 5% carbs ... (For the MOST part, sometimes I eat a lot of veggies). Basically I just don't eat any starches or sugars otherwise the rest of my diet is very 'normal' looking. Keeping your carbs moderate is definitely the way to go. Just make sure to have a low fat carb up once or more a week. Or you could try one of the various carb cycling routines that have been floating around. __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

09-25-2005, 12:38 AM	#3
johnsbod Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2,733 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	Thanks for the advice. Maybe I'll try something like 50/25/25 this time around. I'm going to be taking Rebound and they tell you in the directions to take it with a fatty meal for the best results, so I'll need to be consuming some fat late at night anyway. I'll probably just have a protein shake with some olive oil and fish oil. I've tried the type of diet you follow before and that is too few carbs for me, but once I start consuming too many carbs I blow up pretty quickly. __________________ Wenn Sie Deutsch sprechen können, posten Sie hier. Misc Perv #69

09-25-2005, 01:15 AM	#4
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,200 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	Yeah, that's why I say moderate carb diet Have you tried TKD diet?? TKD in a nutshell: all of your meals are fat/protein, but your preworkout meal, pwo shake, and pwo meal are carb/protein. Something like that might work good for you. It would be easy to get in 120+g of carbs while keeping insulin levels steady/low through out the day. (I'm sold on the idea that insulin control is a BIG piece of the fat loss puzzle). I don't know why they call it TKD, it should be TCD, because if you workout often like most of us do, you'd barely ever get into ketosis. When I was taking ATD i'd take it with breakfast, and my normal breakfast is 5 whole eggs scrambled in non stick spray. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

09-25-2005, 01:26 AM	#5
johnsbod Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2,733 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	I have tried something like that but it wasn't enough carbs for me. __________________ Wenn Sie Deutsch sprechen können, posten Sie hier. Misc Perv #69

09-25-2005, 02:26 AM	#6
BigZeke Bringing Lat Flares Back Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hell Raisin' and Girl Chasin' Posts: 2,302 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 71	Average, 53 P/29 C/19 F. Expect that to change slightly once I finish my meals for today. But that's what it usually is. __________________ Eat like a horse. Lift like a demon. Sleep like the dead. Only cheat on girls, never on your workouts My Workout Journal "I like the color red because it's a fire. And I see myself as always being on fire." -- Arnold Schwarzenegger

09-26-2005, 12:14 AM	#9
Ihateeveryone Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Castle of Blakkheim Posts: 752 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	55P/31C/14F. Need more almonds and/or peanuts. __________________ Bullshit things: Hippies Astrology Rap music Nu metal Leg presses Communism Nitric Oxide Left wing politics Decaf coffee Fortune cookies Cutting Prudes Wine coolers Non materialism F**k marijuana - legalise steroids!! Bart: Ohhh, this place smells, and somethings dripping on me! Willie: The smell's manure, and the drippin's manure!

09-26-2005, 01:12 AM	#10
Steve_W Pro Stature Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 105 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	I don't really think ratios are important but I use around the 40/40/20 as a baseline, and usually up fat/lower carbs as necessary.

09-26-2005, 01:47 AM	#11
Sholiz Soldier In Progress Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,431 Recipes: 3 Rep Power: 230	Hell me, I just add more cadio and add MORE fats while I'm trying to shed BF. Just stay stricter with carbs and maybe turn those down closer to 250-300g instead of my 450-500 while adding mass. __________________ You hear me before you see me, I got King Kong in the trunk

09-26-2005, 05:25 AM	#12
BigZeke Bringing Lat Flares Back Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hell Raisin' and Girl Chasin' Posts: 2,302 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 71	What type of fats do you add? __________________ Eat like a horse. Lift like a demon. Sleep like the dead. Only cheat on girls, never on your workouts My Workout Journal "I like the color red because it's a fire. And I see myself as always being on fire." -- Arnold Schwarzenegger

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