"Dustin's Take a Stance on it!" Volume 1: Carbs AND fat with your protein?

**DJSTARER** · 11-25-2006, 03:57 AM

Okay everyone. Post articles, threads and personal expereinces with both sides of this contrivercial subject!

(there will be more in the future)

I'll start

**DJSTARER** · 11-25-2006, 04:07 AM

Although Johnny B. is one of my favorite authors, i only partially agree with his theories on this subject.

Fats can and will substancially slow the digestion of carbohydrates in the human body. With a few exceptions, the slower breakdown of CHO in the body leads to a more muffled respons with insulin, actually keeping your body in a state of fat use in the liver for more of the day. At the same time, the splitting of carbs and fats at seperate meals does make sense from an organizational standpoint. Even though I make healthy fats a part of all my meals except breakfast and Post training (for reasons stated above), I do tend to concentrate my carb intake to the morning, afternoon and early evening, while locating my fat intake to the evening and bed time. My take on this is PARTLY to limit my super available energy when I do not need it. But, on a bulk, I really can't say that is my reason. The BIGGEST reason I put fats before bed is for their horomonal benefit. As anyone who has consumed a diet rich in both carbs AND fats can agree, fats will make you horny. Horny=T, and T=anobolism or T=fat burn. In addition, one of my biggest fat sources (nuts) is a great source of arganine, and great leveler of nitrogen and T. Having this during my sleep is essential to growth.

That is my stance anyhow.

**skelooth** · 12-04-2006, 08:44 PM

My stance is that... carbs are damn tasty.

**Peaked_18** · 12-05-2006, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

My stance is that... carbs are damn tasty.

mmmhmm

**davtown** · 04-23-2007, 06:13 AM

DJ, I agree spot on with everything you said... I don't know how much more I can say. From a personal experience standpoint, I have no trouble putting carbs + fats in the same meal. My diet definitely isn't low fat or low carb (or low protein). I just try to get a lot of each macronutrient as they all have their benefits. It's been working for me so far.

**romanaz** · 04-23-2007, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

My stance is that... carbs are damn tasty.

**BigZeke** · 04-23-2007, 04:52 PM

What type of carbs are we talking about? I eat carbs with almost every meal.

Eating about 4+ cups of these a day keeps me from getting cravings for other (bad) carbs. Otherwise I'll find myself eating a whole pizza (no love for the 'zza, see thread) or at Quiznos with 2 subs in hand.

**Sixpack** · 04-25-2007, 12:10 AM

I agree and I also just have a regular meal post training, I have an in-workout shake BCAA's (Xtend) during workout so I wait 45min postworkout and have a normal meal of P-C-F . Eat your healthy fats

11-25-2006, 03:57 AM	#1
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,979 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	"Dustin's Take a Stance on it!" Volume 1: Carbs AND fat with your protein? Okay everyone. Post articles, threads and personal expereinces with both sides of this contrivercial subject! (there will be more in the future) I'll start __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

11-25-2006, 04:07 AM	#2
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,979 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	Although Johnny B. is one of my favorite authors, i only partially agree with his theories on this subject. Fats can and will substancially slow the digestion of carbohydrates in the human body. With a few exceptions, the slower breakdown of CHO in the body leads to a more muffled respons with insulin, actually keeping your body in a state of fat use in the liver for more of the day. At the same time, the splitting of carbs and fats at seperate meals does make sense from an organizational standpoint. Even though I make healthy fats a part of all my meals except breakfast and Post training (for reasons stated above), I do tend to concentrate my carb intake to the morning, afternoon and early evening, while locating my fat intake to the evening and bed time. My take on this is PARTLY to limit my super available energy when I do not need it. But, on a bulk, I really can't say that is my reason. The BIGGEST reason I put fats before bed is for their horomonal benefit. As anyone who has consumed a diet rich in both carbs AND fats can agree, fats will make you horny. Horny=T, and T=anobolism or T=fat burn. In addition, one of my biggest fat sources (nuts) is a great source of arganine, and great leveler of nitrogen and T. Having this during my sleep is essential to growth. That is my stance anyhow. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

12-04-2006, 08:44 PM	#3
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,041 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 160	My stance is that... carbs are damn tasty. __________________

04-23-2007, 06:13 AM	#5
davtown OM NOM NOM NOM Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,347 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 128	Re: "Dustin's Take a Stance on it!" Volume 1: Carbs AND fat with your protein? DJ, I agree spot on with everything you said... I don't know how much more I can say. From a personal experience standpoint, I have no trouble putting carbs + fats in the same meal. My diet definitely isn't low fat or low carb (or low protein). I just try to get a lot of each macronutrient as they all have their benefits. It's been working for me so far. __________________ --Training Journal-- current/goal D: 350/380 S: 280/300 B: 235/260

04-23-2007, 04:52 PM	#7
BigZeke Bringing Lat Flares Back Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hell Raisin' and Girl Chasin' Posts: 2,282 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 69	Re: "Dustin's Take a Stance on it!" Volume 1: Carbs AND fat with your protein? What type of carbs are we talking about? I eat carbs with almost every meal. Eating about 4+ cups of these a day keeps me from getting cravings for other (bad) carbs. Otherwise I'll find myself eating a whole pizza (no love for the 'zza, see thread) or at Quiznos with 2 subs in hand. __________________ Eat like a horse. Lift like a demon. Sleep like the dead. Only cheat on girls, never on your workouts My Workout Journal "I like the color red because it's a fire. And I see myself as always being on fire." -- Arnold Schwarzenegger

04-25-2007, 12:10 AM	#8
Sixpack Optimum Sponsored athlete Join Date: May 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 870 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 15	Re: "Dustin's Take a Stance on it!" Volume 1: Carbs AND fat with your protein? I agree and I also just have a regular meal post training, I have an in-workout shake BCAA's (Xtend) during workout so I wait 45min postworkout and have a normal meal of P-C-F . Eat your healthy fats __________________ ["Tough Times Don't Last But Tough People Do" My Pops RIP http://www.optimumnutrition.com/ "Fueling your desire for success" www.rippedacadamy.com Mod-massmonsterz.com ISSA certified

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