Doctor being an idiot, or what?

dton · 02-14-2006, 11:34 AM

Went to the doctor's today just for a checkup, he noticed I'd lost a fair bit of weight since I last saw him 12months ago, and of course was interested as to what my diet was like... I told him and then he commented on something which was supprising to me.

He told me that Whey protein and protein shakes were bad for my health, and that I shouldn't be taking more than 90g of protein per day, as it could lead to liver disease and heart failure.

I told my parents this like Im telling you all as I thought it humorous... they didn't take it this way, and want me to stop eating all my proteins.. especially the shakes.

Can anyone here find some sort of a reference to something kinda offical that completely disregard any of the concerns my doctor and parents have raised?

Cheers,

-dton

edit: should mention, Im currently taking between 190 - 210g of protein a day, 60grams of which comes from protein shakes.

Hybrid · 02-14-2006, 12:06 PM

This is because doctors (imo) are idiots. My doctor is fully supportive of my diet and supplements. Heck, I even showed her that B-5 helped remove some of my acne and recommended it to her for others.

Simply google high protein intake and find studies. It CAN lead to kidney problems if you don't drink enough water, however, it has nothing to do w/ ur heart.

**skelooth** · 02-14-2006, 12:18 PM

Quote:

This is because doctors (imo) are idiots

:rofl:

It's not that they are idiots per'se, The problem is that they are not sports nutritionists. General practitioners can only go by what they were taught in medical school. Dton, I'm sorry about your doctor being uneducated in sports nutrition. 90g of protein a day is low for an athlete.

**Sixpack** · 02-14-2006, 01:02 PM

Talk to a sports nutritionist and have him or her talk to your parents or find some articles for your parents to read or find a different doctor

Hybrid · 02-14-2006, 01:17 PM

Oh, if you go to the ADA's site (american dietetics association) they recommend strength trained athletes gets 2g of protein per KG (I believe something like that)

EDIT: It's on this page: http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg...0_ENU_HTML.htm

Minotaur · 02-14-2006, 02:34 PM

The comments in bold are from an RD, a medical nutritional therapist! My responses are in italics.

Not all animal proteins are a complete protein except for foul eggs.

That's absolutely untrue. All animal proteins contain the full complement of amino acids... all the essential and non-essential amino acids. Maybe what you mean to say is that eggs have the highest bioavailability of all animal proteins. That would be true.

Soy proteins also mimic the female hormone estrogen, thus inhibiting the human body to produce more estrogen, therefore lowers the risk of breast cancer and bone loss associated with osteoporosis.

Soy protein can be very dangerous to some humans, especially those with thyroid disease and breast cancer. Even Dr. Andrew Weil says to avoid soy in those cases. Soy may fuel breast cancer growth. Soy does not prevent the production of estrogen. It simply binds with estrogen receptors.

I can't imagine a 300 pound football player consuming 300+ grams a protein per day.

Why not? For athletes the recommended protein consumption is 1 gram of protein per POUND of bodyweight.

For a degreed nutritionist, your information is beyond wrong.

**DJSTARER** · 02-14-2006, 03:07 PM

yeh... i do about 300 grams.... and i'm not 300 lbs (wish i was).

The doc is basing his/her theory on a seditary human being.

**schroeder** · 02-14-2006, 11:45 PM

that's blasphemy. i used to be anti-protein when i first started lifting. i used to search the internet for all sorts of shit trying to find a decent argument.....finally i realized there weren't any. the only thing i ever found was a "nutritionist" claiming it was bad for the kidneys. if you're familiar with protected and unprotected titles, you would know that any schmuck can call himslef a "nutritionist"

**powerman2000** · 02-15-2006, 05:50 AM

It's pretty much common knowledge that most doctors don't know anything about general diet, nutrition and health, or physical fitness. All they know is how to treat specific illnesses.

**Fitnfirm** · 02-16-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dton

Went to the doctor's today just for a checkup, he noticed I'd lost a fair bit of weight since I last saw him 12months ago, and of course was interested as to what my diet was like... I told him and then he commented on something which was supprising to me.

He told me that Whey protein and protein shakes were bad for my health, and that I shouldn't be taking more than 90g of protein per day, as it could lead to liver disease and heart failure.

I told my parents this like Im telling you all as I thought it humorous... they didn't take it this way, and want me to stop eating all my proteins.. especially the shakes.

Can anyone here find some sort of a reference to something kinda offical that completely disregard any of the concerns my doctor and parents have raised?

Cheers,

-dton

edit: should mention, Im currently taking between 190 - 210g of protein a day, 60grams of which comes from protein shakes.

Doctors are IDIOTS!!!! they have no education in real nutrition let alone bodybuuilding nutrition, Did you forget to tell him he works for you? that you make his Benz payments and he will do his job! he is reciting the FDA requirements for the average person, we all know those values are what made this world FAT!!!!!!!

htxred · 02-17-2006, 04:01 AM

was your doctor fat? if he was, give him some diet tips.

**powerman2000** · 02-17-2006, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htxred

was your doctor fat? if he was, give him some diet tips.

He was probably fat and smokes cigarettes too.

dton · 02-17-2006, 06:16 AM

He's thin little asian guy. lol

And yea, he drives a merc

lol

A_N_91 · 02-17-2006, 03:10 PM

I don't have this problem...My doctor's a bodybuilder, so I don't deal with all the protein BS.:hellyea:

**Ikaika** · 02-17-2006, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fitnfirm

Doctors are IDIOTS!!!! they have no education in real nutrition let alone bodybuuilding nutrition, Did you forget to tell him he works for you? that you make his Benz payments and he will do his job! he is reciting the FDA requirements for the average person, we all know those values are what made this world FAT!!!!!!!

:banghead: :ranton: :screaming

Maybe you should try going to medical school and we'll see who the idiot is...

And weak-minded lazy people have made THEMSELVES fat in this country, so please don't go blaming doctors who have dedicated themselves to helping others for this trend of obesity.

Everyone has different ideas on nutrition. Just like training, different things work for different people...trying to apply one concept universally just won't work. If you've found something that works for you, stick to it. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're completely wrong, and it certainly isn't grounds to discount the service that physicians provide for us.

02-14-2006, 11:34 AM	#1
dton Pro Stature Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 222 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Doctor being an idiot, or what? Went to the doctor's today just for a checkup, he noticed I'd lost a fair bit of weight since I last saw him 12months ago, and of course was interested as to what my diet was like... I told him and then he commented on something which was supprising to me. He told me that Whey protein and protein shakes were bad for my health, and that I shouldn't be taking more than 90g of protein per day, as it could lead to liver disease and heart failure. I told my parents this like Im telling you all as I thought it humorous... they didn't take it this way, and want me to stop eating all my proteins.. especially the shakes. Can anyone here find some sort of a reference to something kinda offical that completely disregard any of the concerns my doctor and parents have raised? Cheers, -dton edit: should mention, Im currently taking between 190 - 210g of protein a day, 60grams of which comes from protein shakes.

02-14-2006, 12:06 PM	#2
Hybrid IMPC Contestant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gibsonia PA Posts: 824 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 13	This is because doctors (imo) are idiots. My doctor is fully supportive of my diet and supplements. Heck, I even showed her that B-5 helped remove some of my acne and recommended it to her for others. Simply google high protein intake and find studies. It CAN lead to kidney problems if you don't drink enough water, however, it has nothing to do w/ ur heart. __________________ If you even dream about beating me you'd better wake up and apologize - Muhammad Ali

02-14-2006, 01:02 PM	#4
Sixpack Optimum Sponsored athlete Join Date: May 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 867 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 15	Talk to a sports nutritionist and have him or her talk to your parents or find some articles for your parents to read or find a different doctor __________________ ["Tough Times Don't Last But Tough People Do" My Pops RIP http://www.optimumnutrition.com/ "Fueling your desire for success" www.rippedacadamy.com Mod-massmonsterz.com ISSA certified

02-14-2006, 01:17 PM	#5
Hybrid IMPC Contestant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gibsonia PA Posts: 824 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 13	Oh, if you go to the ADA's site (american dietetics association) they recommend strength trained athletes gets 2g of protein per KG (I believe something like that) EDIT: It's on this page: http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg...0_ENU_HTML.htm __________________ If you even dream about beating me you'd better wake up and apologize - Muhammad Ali

02-14-2006, 02:34 PM	#6
Minotaur Pro Stature Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Monmouth County, New Jersey Posts: 103 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Here's a humdinger. The comments in bold are from an RD, a medical nutritional therapist! My responses are in italics. Not all animal proteins are a complete protein except for foul eggs. That's absolutely untrue. All animal proteins contain the full complement of amino acids... all the essential and non-essential amino acids. Maybe what you mean to say is that eggs have the highest bioavailability of all animal proteins. That would be true. Soy proteins also mimic the female hormone estrogen, thus inhibiting the human body to produce more estrogen, therefore lowers the risk of breast cancer and bone loss associated with osteoporosis. Soy protein can be very dangerous to some humans, especially those with thyroid disease and breast cancer. Even Dr. Andrew Weil says to avoid soy in those cases. Soy may fuel breast cancer growth. Soy does not prevent the production of estrogen. It simply binds with estrogen receptors. I can't imagine a 300 pound football player consuming 300+ grams a protein per day. Why not? For athletes the recommended protein consumption is 1 gram of protein per POUND of bodyweight. For a degreed nutritionist, your information is beyond wrong. __________________ "You monsters are such interesting creatures! I was just saying to my girlfriend, just the other day, 'Monsters are such interesting people! Why I'll bet they lead such interesting lives!' The things you must see and the things you must do! My stars!"

02-14-2006, 03:07 PM	#7
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,035 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 114	yeh... i do about 300 grams.... and i'm not 300 lbs (wish i was). The doc is basing his/her theory on a seditary human being. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

02-14-2006, 11:45 PM	#8
schroeder Der Leutnant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: tacoma, wa Posts: 884 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 17	that's blasphemy. i used to be anti-protein when i first started lifting. i used to search the internet for all sorts of shit trying to find a decent argument.....finally i realized there weren't any. the only thing i ever found was a "nutritionist" claiming it was bad for the kidneys. if you're familiar with protected and unprotected titles, you would know that any schmuck can call himslef a "nutritionist" __________________ Live from Baghdad! Ich bin gross und stark!

02-15-2006, 05:50 AM	#9
powerman2000 The Old Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,123 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 200	It's pretty much common knowledge that most doctors don't know anything about general diet, nutrition and health, or physical fitness. All they know is how to treat specific illnesses. __________________ Don't forget to periodize Best BP 507 lbs competitive Best Squat 705 lbs competitive Best DL 650 lbs competitive Guns don't kill people, men who come home early do. My workout log http://www.ironmass.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6247

02-17-2006, 04:01 AM	#11
htxred Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: houston Posts: 224 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	was your doctor fat? if he was, give him some diet tips.

02-17-2006, 06:16 AM	#13
dton Pro Stature Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 222 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	He's thin little asian guy. lol And yea, he drives a merc lol

02-17-2006, 03:10 PM	#14
A_N_91 Pro Stature Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 849 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	I don't have this problem...My doctor's a bodybuilder, so I don't deal with all the protein BS.:hellyea:

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