Do You HAVE To Stuff Your Face In Order To Grow?

Pumpatron · 09-03-2006, 12:54 AM

I'll start by admitting I've not been to the gym in about 2 months and I've shrunk from 238lbs down to 210lbs, with bodyfat stayin at around the same level so I know that I've lost mainly muscle.

I'm 18 years old, 5,10" and around 17-18% Bodyfat

The reason I stopped for that long is the fact that I was eating SO much every day that I just constantly felt bloated and sick and it was very uncomfortable.

For example, for each meal I'd probably have around 2 and a half chicken breasts & 2 jacket potatoes with a glass of milk or 200g of brown rice with 2 cans of tuna & a glass of milk.

Now just looking at this I'm actually thinking to myself that it's not much at all if I want to gain mass but it made me feel bloated constantly as I said above.

I want to get back into training but don't want to be walking around feeling like shit all the time because of how much I eat. I was wondering if you HAVE to eat as much as the articles, magazines etc say in order to gain size. Would I be alright just eating for example, 1 and a half chicken breasts, 1 jacket potato & a glass of water instead of 2 and a half chicken breasts, 2 jacket potatoes & a glass of milk?

As I said, I don't want to be stuffing my face just so that I can gain size, because that takes the fun out of this and yes I DO want it to be fun, I don't want it to seem like a chore.

HK

**DJSTARER** · 09-03-2006, 05:34 AM

you sound like you have a few things going on IMO.

First, how often do you eat? You might want to eat more often. Every 2 hours if possible.

Second, try adding a lot more fat into your diet. Oils and nuts can be the best thing to help make super lean gains. Adding 1 tbls of oil at eat meal will add 800 kcals by the end of the day.

Third (and most contravercial), add some moderate junk into your diet. NO SUGAR AND NO TRANSFATS. Things like pizza are actually not as bad as people think. Pizza is a slow source of carbs, whey and casein. It will pack on mass like anything else. Just replace a meal/day with 2 slices of pizza. It is an easy 600 kcals.

Fourth (although I'm not a fan of it), be more seditary.

Fifth, your training might need some work. Anabolic response can be increased through a better routine... but I can't help you with the specifics.

Sixth, 3am meal.

Of all these suggestions... I would BY FAR reccomend the second one the most. Healthy fats at every meal has improved many aspects of my life as it relates to fitness and wellbeing.

DarkFalcon · 09-03-2006, 05:50 AM

Excellent answer DJ. :clap: And Pump 5000 cals is too many for you anyway unless your EXTREMELY active like working out 5 days a week and doing sports on top of it. At 210 4000 cals should be sufficient to add lean muscle mass over time. If fact some argue the 20 cals x LBM for lean gains which would be around 3500 cals daily for you.

wildman1717 · 09-03-2006, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpatron

I'll start by admitting I've not been to the gym in about 2 months and I've shrunk from 238lbs down to 210lbs, with bodyfat stayin at around the same level so I know that I've lost mainly muscle.

I'm 18 years old, 5,10" and around 17-18% Bodyfat

The reason I stopped for that long is the fact that I was eating SO much every day that I just constantly felt bloated and sick and it was very uncomfortable.

For example, for each meal I'd probably have around 2 and a half chicken breasts & 2 jacket potatoes with a glass of milk or 200g of brown rice with 2 cans of tuna & a glass of milk.

Now just looking at this I'm actually thinking to myself that it's not much at all if I want to gain mass but it made me feel bloated constantly as I said above.

I want to get back into training but don't want to be walking around feeling like shit all the time because of how much I eat. I was wondering if you HAVE to eat as much as the articles, magazines etc say in order to gain size. Would I be alright just eating for example, 1 and a half chicken breasts, 1 jacket potato & a glass of water instead of 2 and a half chicken breasts, 2 jacket potatoes & a glass of milk?

As I said, I don't want to be stuffing my face just so that I can gain size, because that takes the fun out of this and yes I DO want it to be fun, I don't want it to seem like a chore.

HK

How many meals aday do you eat at this time?

Ihateeveryone · 09-03-2006, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpatron

I'll start by admitting I've not been to the gym in about 2 months and I've shrunk from 238lbs down to 210lbs, with bodyfat stayin at around the same level so I know that I've lost mainly muscle.

I'm 18 years old, 5,10" and around 17-18% Bodyfat

The reason I stopped for that long is the fact that I was eating SO much every day that I just constantly felt bloated and sick and it was very uncomfortable.

For example, for each meal I'd probably have around 2 and a half chicken breasts & 2 jacket potatoes with a glass of milk or 200g of brown rice with 2 cans of tuna & a glass of milk.

Now just looking at this I'm actually thinking to myself that it's not much at all if I want to gain mass but it made me feel bloated constantly as I said above.

I want to get back into training but don't want to be walking around feeling like shit all the time because of how much I eat. I was wondering if you HAVE to eat as much as the articles, magazines etc say in order to gain size. Would I be alright just eating for example, 1 and a half chicken breasts, 1 jacket potato & a glass of water instead of 2 and a half chicken breasts, 2 jacket potatoes & a glass of milk?

As I said, I don't want to be stuffing my face just so that I can gain size, because that takes the fun out of this and yes I DO want it to be fun, I don't want it to seem like a chore.

HK

Wow. Another relic of the BB.com Douche Patrol.

Some of us - i.e. myself - can gain off of 2600 calories a day. But nothing packs on mass like pizza, as the golfer above mentioned.

Start eating and stop being soft, unless you want to stay small.

HK

Pumpatron · 09-03-2006, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ihateeveryone

Wow. Another relic of the BB.com Douche Patrol.

Some of us - i.e. myself - can gain off of 2600 calories a day. But nothing packs on mass like pizza, as the golfer above mentioned.

Start eating and stop being soft, unless you want to stay small.

HK

If 238lbs @ 17-18%BF & 5,10" is small I'd love to see your idea of big.

Anyway, thanks DJ and everyone else who gave a decent answer, I'll definitely be doing that TBLSP of oil thing, I'd never thought of that. From tomorrow I'm back at the gym so hopefully I'll start enjoying it again. Take care all & thanks again.

HK

**A.FreeRadical** · 09-03-2006, 10:40 PM

I agree with DJ. He has made some good points.

You probably are just eating too much at one time causing the bloat. Other possibilities are lactose and wheat intorerance are two that come to mind.

Definitely try the more calorie dense oils and 6 small meals per day first.

*

**DJSTARER** · 09-03-2006, 10:49 PM

I was thinking about the question some more... you may also be eating too much protein. I can't really know, but it is just a possibility. Eating too much protein will DEF stop you from gaining and DEF make you feel bloated as crap.

Remember protein is a necessity, but the difference between a bulk and cut is simply your energy intake (carbs and fat).

**NYCmitch25** · 09-04-2006, 12:29 AM

nice dj
also a beginners bulking diet

**powerman2000** · 09-04-2006, 11:52 AM

Pancreatic Enzymes

**NYCmitch25** · 09-04-2006, 03:41 PM

good one brudda

Ihateeveryone · 09-05-2006, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpatron

If 238lbs @ 17-18%BF & 5,10" is small I'd love to see your idea of big.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpatron

I'll start by admitting I've not been to the gym in about 2 months and I've shrunk from 238lbs down to 210lbs, with bodyfat stayin at around the same level so I know that I've lost mainly muscle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpatron

If 238lbs @ 17-18%BF & 5,10" is small I'd love to see your idea of big.

Which is it, Vanchatron? 238, or 210? You may have been 238lb. You are now 210lb. Nearly 30lb difference. You've lost 30lb of muscle. I'd call that small. Hell, I was a shade under 240lb until 6 weeks ago, at 5'10". I'm now floating around 215lb. Almost all of that was fat. At 240lb I never considered myself huge. So yes, at 18% bodyfat, 240lb is small.

**DJSTARER** · 09-05-2006, 04:36 PM

get this sh*t out of threads.

sfiximo · 09-20-2006, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpatron

If 238lbs @ 17-18%BF & 5,10" is small I'd love to see your idea of big.

youre not fooling anyone with those numbers kid, youve posted pics you know very well youre far from bodybuilding-big.

btw I would suggest making easier meals. look for different kind of protein powders (casein, milk protein, isolates) or cottage cheese, milk and blend with a carb source (oats, grits). try carb cycling and in your low carb days, snack with peanuts, walnuts or cashew throughout the day. (try cottage cheese with walnuts and honey - delicious)

Vegeto · 09-21-2006, 04:08 AM

What's with all the condescending additudes in here? He just asked a question.

barzel · 09-21-2006, 03:42 PM

It might be envy i woude love to say, hey i cant eat this mutch. but im around 220Lbs.20-30%BF and i have to go around hungry all day.
course i only eat 5-6 meals pr. day. and thouse small meals with low fat just dosent satisfie my hunger.

So dude i envy you. you get to eat your self full all the time. i only get full when i dont follow the diet. and thats not nice.

but any way i think if you go with the olive oile and nuts. you will be all right. and its good to hear your back in the gym

09-03-2006, 12:54 AM	#1
Pumpatron Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 161 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Do You HAVE To Stuff Your Face In Order To Grow? I'll start by admitting I've not been to the gym in about 2 months and I've shrunk from 238lbs down to 210lbs, with bodyfat stayin at around the same level so I know that I've lost mainly muscle. I'm 18 years old, 5,10" and around 17-18% Bodyfat The reason I stopped for that long is the fact that I was eating SO much every day that I just constantly felt bloated and sick and it was very uncomfortable. For example, for each meal I'd probably have around 2 and a half chicken breasts & 2 jacket potatoes with a glass of milk or 200g of brown rice with 2 cans of tuna & a glass of milk. Now just looking at this I'm actually thinking to myself that it's not much at all if I want to gain mass but it made me feel bloated constantly as I said above. I want to get back into training but don't want to be walking around feeling like shit all the time because of how much I eat. I was wondering if you HAVE to eat as much as the articles, magazines etc say in order to gain size. Would I be alright just eating for example, 1 and a half chicken breasts, 1 jacket potato & a glass of water instead of 2 and a half chicken breasts, 2 jacket potatoes & a glass of milk? As I said, I don't want to be stuffing my face just so that I can gain size, because that takes the fun out of this and yes I DO want it to be fun, I don't want it to seem like a chore. HK __________________ Trainee Under Myself! "2 Mice Fell Into A Bucket Of Cream. The 1st Mouse Gave Up Trying To Get Out And Drowned. The 2nd Mouse Was Determined Not To Give In And So Struggled And Struggled For A Good 10 Minutes. All This Struggling Churned The Cream Into Butter Which Allowed The Mouse To Escape From The Bucket" Now Ask Yourself... Which Mouse Are YOU?

09-03-2006, 05:34 AM	#2
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,166 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 116	you sound like you have a few things going on IMO. First, how often do you eat? You might want to eat more often. Every 2 hours if possible. Second, try adding a lot more fat into your diet. Oils and nuts can be the best thing to help make super lean gains. Adding 1 tbls of oil at eat meal will add 800 kcals by the end of the day. Third (and most contravercial), add some moderate junk into your diet. NO SUGAR AND NO TRANSFATS. Things like pizza are actually not as bad as people think. Pizza is a slow source of carbs, whey and casein. It will pack on mass like anything else. Just replace a meal/day with 2 slices of pizza. It is an easy 600 kcals. Fourth (although I'm not a fan of it), be more seditary. Fifth, your training might need some work. Anabolic response can be increased through a better routine... but I can't help you with the specifics. Sixth, 3am meal. Of all these suggestions... I would BY FAR reccomend the second one the most. Healthy fats at every meal has improved many aspects of my life as it relates to fitness and wellbeing. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

09-03-2006, 10:40 PM	#7
A.FreeRadical the Epicurean Bodybuilder Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 58	I agree with DJ. He has made some good points. You probably are just eating too much at one time causing the bloat. Other possibilities are lactose and wheat intorerance are two that come to mind. Definitely try the more calorie dense oils and 6 small meals per day first. * __________________ "Is it going to be the red pill or the blue pill, Neo? The red pill will answer the question 'What is the Matrix?' Choose carefully. Remember, all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more." Ron Paul for President, 2008 A.FreeRadical ...the Epicurean bodybuilder Height: 5'9", Age: 62, My last high on 2/1/2006 was 196 lbs. My last low on 8/08/2006 was 167.5 lbs. Cutting until I am lean Starting weight: 190 lbs. bodyfat: 19.7% November 27th: 183 lbs. bodyfat: 18.3% bodyfat Goal Weight: 176 lbs with no more than 10% bodyfat My recipe collection

09-03-2006, 10:49 PM	#8
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,166 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 116	I was thinking about the question some more... you may also be eating too much protein. I can't really know, but it is just a possibility. Eating too much protein will DEF stop you from gaining and DEF make you feel bloated as crap. Remember protein is a necessity, but the difference between a bulk and cut is simply your energy intake (carbs and fat). __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

09-04-2006, 11:52 AM	#10
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09-03-2006, 05:50 AM	#3
DarkFalcon I've got a RAGING clue! Join Date: May 2005 Location: dnyc99's cleaning staff Posts: 11,511 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 299	Excellent answer DJ. :clap: And Pump 5000 cals is too many for you anyway unless your EXTREMELY active like working out 5 days a week and doing sports on top of it. At 210 4000 cals should be sufficient to add lean muscle mass over time. If fact some argue the 20 cals x LBM for lean gains which would be around 3500 cals daily for you.

09-04-2006, 12:29 AM	#9
NYCmitch25 Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,117 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 52	nice dj also a beginners bulking diet

09-04-2006, 03:41 PM	#11
NYCmitch25 Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,117 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 52	good one brudda

09-05-2006, 04:36 PM	#13
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,166 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 116	get this sht out of threads. __________________ My philosophies on training:* "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

09-21-2006, 04:08 AM	#15
Vegeto blameless sinner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 803 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 15	What's with all the condescending additudes in here? He just asked a question. __________________ ______________ ________________ ......Busy Training...... __________________ ________________ __________________

09-21-2006, 03:42 PM	#16
barzel Amateur Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 81 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 3	It might be envy i woude love to say, hey i cant eat this mutch. but im around 220Lbs.20-30%BF and i have to go around hungry all day. course i only eat 5-6 meals pr. day. and thouse small meals with low fat just dosent satisfie my hunger. So dude i envy you. you get to eat your self full all the time. i only get full when i dont follow the diet. and thats not nice. but any way i think if you go with the olive oile and nuts. you will be all right. and its good to hear your back in the gym

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