Dirty food week - week off or first bulking week?

DJohnson · 12-11-2006, 08:19 PM

Aight, I will be taking a break from my nearly 100% clean food diet right away here since my cut is officially ending on Friday (with new pics). I will be taking the week off because I've been lifting and doing cardio every weekday for 16 weeks straight, I want my CNS to recoup. I'm considering these two options and want your opinions on which I should do and why:

Option A:
During my week off keep calories at 2400kcal, make sure daily protein is around 200g and other than that, eat whatever dirty food I want. I'll be quite reasonable though, I'm not much of a binger.

Option B:
During my week off keep calories at 2400kcal, 90% clean foods as will my entire bulk is. Then the week after, once I start lifting again 5x a week and doing HIIT 2x a week. Eat 200g protein and have whatever dirty food I want. Definately a bit more calories in this situation because I'll be active. Not quite sure on the number yet. 2700kcal?

Regardless 3 weeks from now I'll be eating 90% clean with my clean bulk for a long time.

**madman911** · 12-11-2006, 09:12 PM

I say eat dirty 100% of the time and stop all training. That way you won't be any threat to me at next year's IMPC.

Obviously, I don't expect you to take the above seriously... although you really should try it, it'd be really fun.

Seriously, I guess I'd go with option B. Is it correct that with option A, you are looking to get nearly all your cals from dirty foods? Even if you limit your calories, junk foods with their macro composition and caloric density are a negative force; they are primed to be efficiently stored as fat and you can easily overshoot your intended cals with even a seemingly moderate indulgence. I function best with allowing one or two cheat meals a week while bulking, but keeping most days completely clean. I don't have the will power to allow myself some cheat food every day, I tend to binge and eat more than I think. Lately, I've been having some clean food right before my cheat meals, so I'm already partially satiated and won't overdo it.

**NYCmitch25** · 12-11-2006, 11:44 PM

go with A

AYung · 12-11-2006, 11:54 PM

A, you earned it. Just dont go overboard like I did.

DJohnson · 12-12-2006, 03:27 AM

I think A it is, completely relaxation from bodybuilding.

I just got a variety pack of Quaker Oatmeal for breakfast! It has sugar in it! I'm crazy!

**madman911** · 12-12-2006, 01:04 PM

Danger, danger.... complete relaxation from bodybuilding alert!!

I look at the training philosophy and discipline exerted by the bodybuilder's I hope to model myself after and I can't think of one of them that would go with A... but that's just me. If you want to be like your idols someday, you must walk the same path... otherwise you'll always be on the sidelines cheering them on. Words of wisdom from the mouth of a madman.

**DJSTARER** · 12-12-2006, 03:26 PM

A. That is what I do about 20-30% of the time anyways. just make smart choices. It won't make that big a difference in 1 week... may not even be noticeable.

**romanaz** · 12-12-2006, 05:31 PM

if u can handle not eating clean for a while, go for it. every so often I'll have BK, but try to make it as clean as possible.

**DJSTARER** · 12-12-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

A. That is what I do about 20-30% of the time anyways. just make smart choices. It won't make that big a difference in 1 week... may not even be noticeable.

make an insentive program. When make significant PRs, I do chinese food or steak with potatos.... u know... quality mass foods. This will help with recovery anyway.... and make that next big PR even easier to grasp.

DJohnson · 12-12-2006, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madman911

Danger, danger.... complete relaxation from bodybuilding alert!!

There's only one way to find out.

Hahaha, complete relaxation is pushing it. I've changed too much as a person to really do that, I guess to the point that a complete relaxation from bodybuilding is still 50% bodybuilding.

I don't binge at all and at 2400kcal a day I couldn't possibly do any reasonable damage. Dirty to me is going to mean stuff like instant noodles and cooked fats. Cheese whiz on sprouted grain bread... Mmmmm. I'll probably have a few cheat meals there and about 1/2 of my meals will be clean. I'll definately track my weight/bodyfat.

Anytime I take a week off after 8-12 weeks of training I seem to come back stronger from the rest.

**boyscouT** · 12-14-2006, 09:46 PM

BBBBB

tplant · 12-15-2006, 12:21 AM

Im going to have to with B

**b-boy** · 12-15-2006, 03:42 AM

option A is the best option in my opinion. here is a good thing to do.. get depleted as hell then just have a shitload day where you just eat sweets and crap the whole day maybe even up to 3 days, and your body will soak up the majority of it.. well it def. will the first day maybe two, then go to eating good foods again and just start slowly raising your carbs up daily. you get to eat what the hell you want and not effect your conditioning that bad.

**DJSTARER** · 12-15-2006, 04:37 PM

we are F***** up. I mean READ THIS THREAD!!!

**romanaz** · 12-15-2006, 07:44 PM

pffft Dustin, the man wants to eat dirty for a little bit! let him have his day!

**b-boy** · 12-15-2006, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJSTARER

we are F***** up. I mean READ THIS THREAD!!!

LOL yea let the guy have some peace of mind....

navarone · 12-17-2006, 05:49 AM

12-11-2006, 08:19 PM	#1
DJohnson IMPC Contestant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 990 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	Dirty food week - week off or first bulking week? Aight, I will be taking a break from my nearly 100% clean food diet right away here since my cut is officially ending on Friday (with new pics). I will be taking the week off because I've been lifting and doing cardio every weekday for 16 weeks straight, I want my CNS to recoup. I'm considering these two options and want your opinions on which I should do and why: Option A: During my week off keep calories at 2400kcal, make sure daily protein is around 200g and other than that, eat whatever dirty food I want. I'll be quite reasonable though, I'm not much of a binger. Option B: During my week off keep calories at 2400kcal, 90% clean foods as will my entire bulk is. Then the week after, once I start lifting again 5x a week and doing HIIT 2x a week. Eat 200g protein and have whatever dirty food I want. Definately a bit more calories in this situation because I'll be active. Not quite sure on the number yet. 2700kcal? Regardless 3 weeks from now I'll be eating 90% clean with my clean bulk for a long time. __________________ Age: 21 Height: 5'10.5" Mar, 2001: 135lbs @ ~14% Nov, 2004: 245lbs @ ~40% Feb, 2006: 188lbs @ 20.1% - Hydrostatic Tested Dec, 2006: 168lbs @ 5.5% - 7 Point Caliper Tested BULKING FOR A LONG TIME NOW Long Term Goal: Over 200lbs @ 8%

12-11-2006, 09:12 PM	#2
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,526 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	I say eat dirty 100% of the time and stop all training. That way you won't be any threat to me at next year's IMPC. Obviously, I don't expect you to take the above seriously... although you really should try it, it'd be really fun. Seriously, I guess I'd go with option B. Is it correct that with option A, you are looking to get nearly all your cals from dirty foods? Even if you limit your calories, junk foods with their macro composition and caloric density are a negative force; they are primed to be efficiently stored as fat and you can easily overshoot your intended cals with even a seemingly moderate indulgence. I function best with allowing one or two cheat meals a week while bulking, but keeping most days completely clean. I don't have the will power to allow myself some cheat food every day, I tend to binge and eat more than I think. Lately, I've been having some clean food right before my cheat meals, so I'm already partially satiated and won't overdo it. __________________ Millennium Sport Technologies Sponsored Athlete http://www.millenniumsport.net IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

12-11-2006, 11:44 PM	#3
NYCmitch25 Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,088 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 50	go with A __________________ "I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." - Rollins

12-11-2006, 11:54 PM	#4
AYung IMPC Contestant Join Date: May 2005 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada Posts: 2,280 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 41	A, you earned it. Just dont go overboard like I did. __________________ Clean Bulking Journal http://www.ironmass.com/showthread.php?t=9546 Max Lifts Bench: 155 x 6 Deadlift: 315 x 6 Squat: 245 x 6 1 Rep Max Lifts Bench: 180 - Tested Deadlift: 365 - Tested Squat: 285 - Estimated TOTAL: 831 @ 156lbs Eddie Guerrero (1967-2005, R.I.P.) You'll always be loved and remembered.

12-12-2006, 03:27 AM	#5
DJohnson IMPC Contestant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 990 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	I think A it is, completely relaxation from bodybuilding. I just got a variety pack of Quaker Oatmeal for breakfast! It has sugar in it! I'm crazy! __________________ Age: 21 Height: 5'10.5" Mar, 2001: 135lbs @ ~14% Nov, 2004: 245lbs @ ~40% Feb, 2006: 188lbs @ 20.1% - Hydrostatic Tested Dec, 2006: 168lbs @ 5.5% - 7 Point Caliper Tested BULKING FOR A LONG TIME NOW Long Term Goal: Over 200lbs @ 8%

12-12-2006, 01:04 PM	#6
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,526 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	Danger, danger.... complete relaxation from bodybuilding alert!! I look at the training philosophy and discipline exerted by the bodybuilder's I hope to model myself after and I can't think of one of them that would go with A... but that's just me. If you want to be like your idols someday, you must walk the same path... otherwise you'll always be on the sidelines cheering them on. Words of wisdom from the mouth of a madman. __________________ Millennium Sport Technologies Sponsored Athlete http://www.millenniumsport.net IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

12-12-2006, 03:26 PM	#7
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,996 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	A. That is what I do about 20-30% of the time anyways. just make smart choices. It won't make that big a difference in 1 week... may not even be noticeable. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

12-14-2006, 09:46 PM	#11
boyscouT IronMass Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 456 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 37	BBBBB

12-15-2006, 12:21 AM	#12
tplant Amateur Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 31 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Im going to have to with B

12-15-2006, 03:42 AM	#13
b-boy Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 544 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 42	option A is the best option in my opinion. here is a good thing to do.. get depleted as hell then just have a shitload day where you just eat sweets and crap the whole day maybe even up to 3 days, and your body will soak up the majority of it.. well it def. will the first day maybe two, then go to eating good foods again and just start slowly raising your carbs up daily. you get to eat what the hell you want and not effect your conditioning that bad.

12-15-2006, 04:37 PM	#14
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,996 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	we are F*** up. I mean READ THIS THREAD!!! __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America** Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

12-17-2006, 05:49 AM	#17
navarone Pro Stature Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 930 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 49