Clean vs. unclean calories

ShannonC_77 · 11-12-2005, 05:12 AM

I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on this. Lots of stuff I've read basically states that body weight is determined by calories in compared to calories out, so what real effect does type of calories have with regards to this. Like lets say your maintanence is 2500 calories a day and in scenario one you eat somewhat 'unclean' foods like white pasta, rice, bread, popcorn, pizza, etc, along with other healthy foods totally 2000 calories and in the second scenario you eat completely 'clean' foods but eat 3000 calories. Does the person gain weight eating clean vs the one who is eating unclean? Or will there be a body composition change here where the person undereating will lose muscle and gain fat while the one overeating will just put on muscle? What do you think the correlation is?

**DJSTARER** · 11-12-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ShannonC_77

I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on this. Lots of stuff I've read basically states that body weight is determined by calories in compared to calories out, so what real effect does type of calories have with regards to this. Like lets say your maintanence is 2500 calories a day and in scenario one you eat somewhat 'unclean' foods like white pasta, rice, bread, popcorn, pizza, etc, along with other healthy foods totally 2000 calories and in the second scenario you eat completely 'clean' foods but eat 3000 calories. Does the person gain weight eating clean vs the one who is eating unclean? Or will there be a body composition change here where the person undereating will lose muscle and gain fat while the one overeating will just put on muscle? What do you think the correlation is?

WEIGHT is dictated by kcals in verse kcals out. Composition and weight are determined by the quality of your training, meal spacing, and tpye of kcals. Eating a 500 kcal surplus with clean, well spaced/nutrient balanced meals will produce much leaner gains than say.... 3 hueg crappy meals. It is the same for cutting. Consuming 500 kcals under mainentance with well spaced/nutrient balanced meals, will prevent much more muscles loss than if you eat say... those clean kcals equivalent in pizza 3 times per day.

**powerman2000** · 11-22-2005, 06:52 PM

Clean and unclean calories sounds very religious to me.

Seriously, unclean cals are things like trans fats and high GI carbs.

A person's body composition will change for the worse if one is eating nothing but 2,500 cals worth of donuts everyday for maintenance. Conversely, if a person is eating maintenance cals of nothing but lean meats and green veggies then they too will experience a change in their body composition. All things being equal the changes for each are vastly different.

Andrew69 · 11-23-2005, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by powerman2000

A person's body composition will change for the worse if one is eating nothing but 2,500 cals worth of donuts everyday for maintenance. Conversely, if a person is eating maintenance cals of nothing but lean meats and green veggies then they too will experience a change in their body composition. All things being equal the changes for each are vastly different.

Exactly!
So why do some people persist on preaching that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie?? :eat:

**A.FreeRadical** · 11-23-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew69

Exactly!
So why do some people persist on preaching that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie?? :eat:

Because they like donuts better than cauliflower?

I may be guilty of preaching calories in vs calories out. I don't really mean that when I say that. (The same with saying "losing weight") vs "losing fat". I guess it is a matter of being imprecise.

Good point, Powerman.

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datruodb · 11-23-2005, 02:49 PM

all cals are clean unless the 5 second rule is in place!!!!

Andrew69 · 11-24-2005, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by datruodb

all cals are clean unless the 5 second rule is in place!!!!

The 5 second rule??

**bigDman** · 11-24-2005, 12:57 PM

when you drop food you have 5 seconds to bike it up and it will still be okay to eat

when following the 5 second rule if you drop food on the ground and it stays there more then 5 seconds you cant eat it

**A.FreeRadical** · 11-24-2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bigDman

when you drop food you have 5 seconds to bike it up and it will still be okay to eat

when following the 5 second rule if you drop food on the ground and it stays there more then 5 seconds you cant eat it

My dogs use the one second rule. If it hits the ground they think they have one second to swollow it. I don't agree, but I prefer to keep my fingers.

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**DarkFalcon** · 11-24-2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by A.FreeRadical

My dogs use the one second rule. If it hits the ground they think they have one second to swollow it. I don't agree, but I prefer to keep my fingers.

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lol..they don't waste anytime do they.

**powerman2000** · 11-27-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by datruodb

all cals are clean unless the 5 second rule is in place!!!!

LOL

**powerman2000** · 11-27-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew69

Exactly!
So why do some people persist on preaching that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie?? :eat:

Andrew69 · 11-27-2005, 09:24 PM

Powerman,
You ARE the smilie king

**powerman2000** · 11-27-2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew69

Powerman,
You ARE the smilie king

11-12-2005, 05:12 AM	#1
ShannonC_77 New Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 11 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Clean vs. unclean calories I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on this. Lots of stuff I've read basically states that body weight is determined by calories in compared to calories out, so what real effect does type of calories have with regards to this. Like lets say your maintanence is 2500 calories a day and in scenario one you eat somewhat 'unclean' foods like white pasta, rice, bread, popcorn, pizza, etc, along with other healthy foods totally 2000 calories and in the second scenario you eat completely 'clean' foods but eat 3000 calories. Does the person gain weight eating clean vs the one who is eating unclean? Or will there be a body composition change here where the person undereating will lose muscle and gain fat while the one overeating will just put on muscle? What do you think the correlation is?

11-22-2005, 06:52 PM	#3
powerman2000 The Old Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,181 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 202	Clean and unclean calories sounds very religious to me. Seriously, unclean cals are things like trans fats and high GI carbs. A person's body composition will change for the worse if one is eating nothing but 2,500 cals worth of donuts everyday for maintenance. Conversely, if a person is eating maintenance cals of nothing but lean meats and green veggies then they too will experience a change in their body composition. All things being equal the changes for each are vastly different. __________________ Don't forget to periodize Best BP 507 lbs competitive Best Squat 705 lbs competitive Best DL 650 lbs competitive Guns don't kill people, men who come home early do. My workout log http://www.ironmass.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6247

11-23-2005, 02:49 PM	#6
datruodb Pro Stature Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tulsa, Ok Posts: 326 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	all cals are clean unless the 5 second rule is in place!!!! __________________ Vanilla Gorilla

11-27-2005, 09:24 PM	#13
Andrew69 Amateur Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Right here, where are you? Posts: 52 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	Powerman, You ARE the smilie king __________________

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