Berardi

pammiejoe6 · 09-08-2005, 04:48 AM

in my neverending quest for knowledge i have found that i agree a great deal with Berardi....all of his articles here really make for fabulous reading...if you havent read them, you should...

Nutrition

HoosierHardGain · 09-27-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pammiejoe6

in my neverending quest for knowledge i have found that i agree a great deal with Berardi....all of his articles here really make for fabulous reading...if you havent read them, you should...

Nutrition

Berardi is very good. The only problem with his stuff is that some of it goes way over my head. Yeah, I am not that brilliant, but he does get pretty high brow sometimes.

**Sixpack** · 09-28-2005, 03:08 AM

I personally don't agree with anything he says besides his opinion on high protein amounts I believe in . Not a fan of the seperation of good groups

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Originally Posted by pammiejoe6

in my neverending quest for knowledge i have found that i agree a great deal with Berardi....all of his articles here really make for fabulous reading...if you havent read them, you should...

Nutrition

pammiejoe6 · 09-28-2005, 04:23 AM

LOL...well its ok...we can agree to disagree...i think hes brilliant!

yes maybe a little high brow...but very intelligent....everything he says makes a lot of sense to me anyway....

**A.FreeRadical** · 10-09-2005, 05:04 PM

I agree with Sixpack. Many of Berardi's claims are unsubstantiated or substiated with unrelated studies. I was quite impressed with him when I got into nutrition and bodybuilding a little over a year ago. After reading other sources I have concluded that I don't agree with most of the things that he claims are his original ideas.

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pammiejoe6 · 10-09-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by A.FreeRadical

I agree with Sixpack. Many of Berardi's claims are unsubstantiated or substiated with unrelated studies. I was quite impressed with him when I got into nutrition and bodybuilding a little over a year ago. After reading other sources I have concluded that I don't agree with most of the things that he claims are his original ideas.

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wow really? do you have the links to these other sources? id love to take a gander...

:fingersxd

**A.FreeRadical** · 10-09-2005, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pammiejoe6

wow really? do you have the links to these other sources? id love to take a gander...

:fingersxd

I knew you would ask. Sorry, it has been over a year since I came to that conclusion. There was an article that Berardi wrote about partioning certain types of foods before bed. When I first read it I thought it was quite profound. Later, I read other articles that took issue with any type of partitioning with studies backing them up. I went back and read the Berardi article a second time and noticed that it was pretty much an opinion piece with no reference to independent studies.

This is the article: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi16.htm

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pammiejoe6 · 10-10-2005, 12:09 AM

thanks so much rad...ill check it out.

pu12en12g · 10-15-2005, 07:55 AM

Most of his articles are great. I don't agree on the high-gi issue, but looking at the big picture... that means nothing. I try to avoid knocking people like Patrick Arnold, ALR, Berardi... and I find it ironic when others do. No one is perfect. Patrick Arnold might look tiny compared to ALR.. what does that prove ? Nothing ? Everything ?

In addition, I find it ironic when people criticize these guys as if they could actually debate them on a subject.

**DJSTARER** · 10-20-2005, 05:37 AM

that article you posted above on bed time nutrtion is great. It is what got me to drink a 16 ozes of water right before bed to wake me up so I can down Cottage cheese/whey blend in the middle of the night. I have a high metabolism, at 170 lbs, I need to eat nearly 5000 kcals. This DEF helped me do it.

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pammiejoe6 · 10-20-2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pu12en12g

Most of his articles are great. I don't agree on the high-gi issue, but looking at the big picture... that means nothing. I try to avoid knocking people like Patrick Arnold, ALR, Berardi... and I find it ironic when others do. No one is perfect. Patrick Arnold might look tiny compared to ALR.. what does that prove ? Nothing ? Everything ?

In addition, I find it ironic when people criticize these guys as if they could actually debate them on a subject.

LOL good point...

i have always enjoyed Berardi...his way of thinking has helped me numerous times! good stuff!

pammiejoe6 · 10-20-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

that article you posted above on bed time nutrtion is great. It is what got me to drink a 16 ozes of water right before bed to wake me up so I can down Cottage cheese/whey blend in the middle of the night. I have a high metabolism, at 170 lbs, I need to eat nearly 5000 kcals. This DEF helped me do it.

Don't forget your Multi

kewl dude!

**DJSTARER** · 10-20-2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pammiejoe6

LOL good point...

i have always enjoyed Berardi...his way of thinking has helped me numerous times! good stuff!

agreed

nurtrition is not a science. Many of the conlcusions made by top nutrtionists in this field are based on evidence, highly advanced chemisty, but little actauly proof. NO ONE REALLY knows how glucose is stored as glycogen. These are merely very good theories.

**DJSTARER** · 10-20-2005, 05:39 PM

I would like to briefly discuss my opinion on the use of Berardi's most famous theory: The avoidance of mixing two energy sources (fat and CHO)in one meal.

To me, this is a BULKING theory. That is, mixing CHO and Fat in the same meal is only problematic when in an anabolic state.

In the bodybuilding community, the quality of a bulk is measured by the amount of lean mass one puts on in relation to the amount of adipose tissue generated as well. Beradi's C+P and F+P theory should be utilized on a bulk a one of many strategies to control the quality of one's gains.

In contrast, if you are "cutting" (I use this word sparingly because I do not really believe in it), your body is (in most cases) in a catabolic state. THE deciding fact on whether or not one puts on weight is if his or her caloric expenditure is greater than their caloric intake. If one is in a caloric deficit, Beradi's theories should not come into play simply because one is NOT in an anabolic state.

In fact (excluding pre and post workout situations), mixing fat with CHO may be more beneficial than not, granted you are in a catabolic state. Fat slows down the insulinic reaction of CHOs and increases satiety. These are, after all, very important factors when in a caloric deficit.

Epilogue: Beradi's energy separation theory is an ANABOLIC strategy to increase the quality of one's GAINS. When one is NOT gaining, due to a caloric deficit, adipose tissue will not be stored regardless of what macronutrients are eaten where. There are in fact benefits to eating healthy fats at each meal.my opinion

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**DJSTARER** · 12-06-2005, 02:31 AM

bump this, I like the topic and want new opinions from new members.

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**EME** · 12-06-2005, 02:59 AM

I personally don't agree with Berardi's principals at all.

DJSTARER, I agree with your assessment about fat's and carbs when cutting, and I also believe a similar principal when related to bulking.

Dietary fat is not going to be stored in your fat cells unless you are taking in excess amounts above and beyond what your body needs for it's essential functions.

If you are taking in the proper amount of good fats, your body is going to use the fatty acids to maintain the health of your skin and hair, transport of fat soluble vitamins through the bloodstream, and for the many other beneficial roles that good fats play in our bodies.

Your body is going to put your dietary fat to use for it's beneficial purposes first, regardless of what foods it is consumed with.

Now, if you are taking in excess fat, above and beyond what your body can make good use of, then issues of fat storage come into play.

However, that then becomes more about eating too much fat, than it is about what you are eating it with.

So, to recap, based on my training and nutrition experience, if you are cutting and in a state of caloric deficit, your fat and carbs aren't going to be stored anyway... so whether you take the carbs and fat together is really of little importance. In a state of caloric deficit..it's all getting burned.

In a state of caloric surplus, the key is to take in the right amount of fats to fill your body's needs. If you are taking in the proper amount of each macronutrient for your individual needs, you are not going to be storing your dietary fat either... it's going to be working for body.

In my practical experience, I have found that Berardi's principals look interesting on paper, but in reality don't play out.

I focus on taking in clean protein, complex carbs, and healthy fats with every meal. I have never had any problem getting cut, or building lean mass following this simple principal.

- EME

Steve_W · 12-06-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by EME

I personally don't agree with Berardi's principals at all.

DJSTARER, I agree with your assessment about fat's and carbs when cutting, and I also believe a similar principal when related to bulking.

Dietary fat is not going to be stored in your fat cells unless you are taking in excess amounts above and beyond what your body needs for it's essential functions.

If you are taking in the proper amount of good fats, your body is going to use the fatty acids to maintain the health of your skin and hair, transport of fat soluble vitamins through the bloodstream, and for the many other beneficial roles that good fats play in our bodies.

Your body is going to put your dietary fat to use for it's beneficial purposes first, regardless of what foods it is consumed with.

Now, if you are taking in excess fat, above and beyond what your body can make good use of, then issues of fat storage come into play.

However, that then becomes more about eating too much fat, than it is about what you are eating it with.

So, to recap, based on my training and nutrition experience, if you are cutting and in a state of caloric deficit, your fat and carbs aren't going to be stored anyway... so whether you take the carbs and fat together is really of little importance. In a state of caloric deficit..it's all getting burned.

In a state of caloric surplus, the key is to take in the right amount of fats to fill your body's needs. If you are taking in the proper amount of each macronutrient for your individual needs, you are not going to be storing your dietary fat either... it's going to be working for body.

In my practical experience, I have found that Berardi's principals look interesting on paper, but in reality don't play out.

I focus on taking in clean protein, complex carbs, and healthy fats with every meal. I have never had any problem getting cut, or building lean mass following this simple principal.

- EME

Great post, his theories have MANY flaws. Without getting into great detail: the body is far too smart to make nitpicky rubbish like this work.

09-08-2005, 04:48 AM	#1
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,175 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85	Berardi in my neverending quest for knowledge i have found that i agree a great deal with Berardi....all of his articles here really make for fabulous reading...if you havent read them, you should... Nutrition

10-09-2005, 05:04 PM	#5
A.FreeRadical the Epicurean Bodybuilder Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 58	I agree with Sixpack. Many of Berardi's claims are unsubstantiated or substiated with unrelated studies. I was quite impressed with him when I got into nutrition and bodybuilding a little over a year ago. After reading other sources I have concluded that I don't agree with most of the things that he claims are his original ideas. * __________________ "Is it going to be the red pill or the blue pill, Neo? The red pill will answer the question 'What is the Matrix?' Choose carefully. Remember, all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more." Ron Paul for President, 2008 A.FreeRadical ...the Epicurean bodybuilder Height: 5'9", Age: 62, My last high on 2/1/2006 was 196 lbs. My last low on 8/08/2006 was 167.5 lbs. Cutting until I am lean Starting weight: 190 lbs. bodyfat: 19.7% November 27th: 183 lbs. bodyfat: 18.3% bodyfat Goal Weight: 176 lbs with no more than 10% bodyfat My recipe collection

10-20-2005, 05:37 AM	#10
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,166 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 116	yeh... that article you posted above on bed time nutrtion is great. It is what got me to drink a 16 ozes of water right before bed to wake me up so I can down Cottage cheese/whey blend in the middle of the night. I have a high metabolism, at 170 lbs, I need to eat nearly 5000 kcals. This DEF helped me do it. Don't forget your Multi __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

10-20-2005, 05:39 PM	#14
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,166 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 116	In addition I would like to briefly discuss my opinion on the use of Berardi's most famous theory: The avoidance of mixing two energy sources (fat and CHO)in one meal. To me, this is a BULKING theory. That is, mixing CHO and Fat in the same meal is only problematic when in an anabolic state. In the bodybuilding community, the quality of a bulk is measured by the amount of lean mass one puts on in relation to the amount of adipose tissue generated as well. Beradi's C+P and F+P theory should be utilized on a bulk a one of many strategies to control the quality of one's gains. In contrast, if you are "cutting" (I use this word sparingly because I do not really believe in it), your body is (in most cases) in a catabolic state. THE deciding fact on whether or not one puts on weight is if his or her caloric expenditure is greater than their caloric intake. If one is in a caloric deficit, Beradi's theories should not come into play simply because one is NOT in an anabolic state. In fact (excluding pre and post workout situations), mixing fat with CHO may be more beneficial than not, granted you are in a catabolic state. Fat slows down the insulinic reaction of CHOs and increases satiety. These are, after all, very important factors when in a caloric deficit. Epilogue: Beradi's energy separation theory is an ANABOLIC strategy to increase the quality of one's GAINS. When one is NOT gaining, due to a caloric deficit, adipose tissue will not be stored regardless of what macronutrients are eaten where. There are in fact benefits to eating healthy fats at each meal.my opinion Don't forget your Multi __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

12-06-2005, 02:31 AM	#15
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,166 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 116	bump this, I like the topic and want new opinions from new members. Don't forget your multi __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

09-28-2005, 04:23 AM	#4
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,175 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85	LOL...well its ok...we can agree to disagree...i think hes brilliant! yes maybe a little high brow...but very intelligent....everything he says makes a lot of sense to me anyway....

10-10-2005, 12:09 AM	#8
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,175 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85	thanks so much rad...ill check it out.

10-15-2005, 07:55 AM	#9
pu12en12g Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 258 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	Most of his articles are great. I don't agree on the high-gi issue, but looking at the big picture... that means nothing. I try to avoid knocking people like Patrick Arnold, ALR, Berardi... and I find it ironic when others do. No one is perfect. Patrick Arnold might look tiny compared to ALR.. what does that prove ? Nothing ? Everything ? In addition, I find it ironic when people criticize these guys as if they could actually debate them on a subject.

12-06-2005, 02:59 AM	#16
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,265 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	I personally don't agree with Berardi's principals at all. DJSTARER, I agree with your assessment about fat's and carbs when cutting, and I also believe a similar principal when related to bulking. Dietary fat is not going to be stored in your fat cells unless you are taking in excess amounts above and beyond what your body needs for it's essential functions. If you are taking in the proper amount of good fats, your body is going to use the fatty acids to maintain the health of your skin and hair, transport of fat soluble vitamins through the bloodstream, and for the many other beneficial roles that good fats play in our bodies. Your body is going to put your dietary fat to use for it's beneficial purposes first, regardless of what foods it is consumed with. Now, if you are taking in excess fat, above and beyond what your body can make good use of, then issues of fat storage come into play. However, that then becomes more about eating too much fat, than it is about what you are eating it with. So, to recap, based on my training and nutrition experience, if you are cutting and in a state of caloric deficit, your fat and carbs aren't going to be stored anyway... so whether you take the carbs and fat together is really of little importance. In a state of caloric deficit..it's all getting burned. In a state of caloric surplus, the key is to take in the right amount of fats to fill your body's needs. If you are taking in the proper amount of each macronutrient for your individual needs, you are not going to be storing your dietary fat either... it's going to be working for body. In my practical experience, I have found that Berardi's principals look interesting on paper, but in reality don't play out. I focus on taking in clean protein, complex carbs, and healthy fats with every meal. I have never had any problem getting cut, or building lean mass following this simple principal. - EME __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.MichaelandKendra.com Team Molecular Nutrition Creative Director FAME Media Group / World Natural Sports Organization Editor-In-Chief FAME Magazine www.FAMEWorldTour.com