BB.com Cr*p About Too Much Protein!

Pumpatron · 11-13-2005, 11:38 PM

I've been told over at bb.com that I shouldn't be consuming more than around 60g of protein per meal because the rest will go to waste so I thought I'd come over to here for a bit and ask some people who actually know what they're talking about.

Is it true that the body can only use a certain amount of protein at a given time and how much is that? My meals consist of around 75g protein so I don't like to think that it's going to waste.

HK

**Peaked_18** · 11-13-2005, 11:40 PM

EVERY gram of protein you consume will go to use. No matter what someone on Bodybuilding.com tells you.

Pumpatron · 11-13-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

EVERY gram of protein you consume will go to use. No matter what someone on Bodybuilding.com tells you.

There's my man

Knew I'd get some good info over here. :bigthumbu

HK

**DarkFalcon** · 11-13-2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

EVERY gram of protein you consume will go to use. No matter what someone on Bodybuilding.com tells you.

I agree, the only thing I will add is whatever you body cannot utilize will be stored as fat so you don't want to go overboard.

dbish77 · 11-13-2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

EVERY gram of protein you consume will go to use. No matter what someone on Bodybuilding.com tells you.

WHAT it goes to use for is the kicker however...

**EME** · 11-13-2005, 11:51 PM

60g per meal is probably a pretty good baseline.

While there is no magic number of exactly how much protein from one meal that you can put to use for muscle building purposes, a max of 60-80g every 2-3 hours is pretty close for most people.

Certainly, genetic factors will be involved, and the overall size of a person should be taken into consideration.

60g of protein per meal, as part of a 6-7 meal per day bodybuilding diet plan, will yield 360-420 grams of daily protein intake.
This should be plenty of protein for 200lb training bodybuilder.

If you are significantly larger than this, you will probably require more protein per meal, and more meals per day.

Contrary to some beliefs, surplus protein is not just expelled from the body. Excess protein can be converted and stored as fat if it isn't needed. Some excess protein may also simply pass through the body.

The bottom line is 60g per meal should be plenty if you are taking in protein with each of your meals throughout the day. 75 per meal isn't going to kill you, but you may not be putting all of it to use for building muscle. Some may be stored as fat, and some may pass through the body unused.

There is no magic maximum amount of protein that can be utilized per meal, but taking in too much excess protein with each meal won't result in bigger muscles, and may result in fat gain, or simply a waste of good protein.

- EME

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Originally Posted by Pumpatron

I've been told over at bb.com that I shouldn't be consuming more than around 60g of protein per meal because the rest will go to waste so I thought I'd come over to here for a bit and ask some people who actually know what they're talking about.

Is it true that the body can only use a certain amount of protein at a given time and how much is that? My meals consist of around 75g protein so I don't like to think that it's going to waste.

HK

Pumpatron · 11-13-2005, 11:58 PM

Cheers lads I appreciate the help, I really do

HK

**EME** · 11-14-2005, 12:00 AM

Unfortunately, this is not true.

In order for efficient absorption of dietary protein to occur, it must first be reduced in size from molecules (oligopeptides) into smaller molecules (five amino acids, di and tripeptides).

It must then be transported by amino acid transporters —those that specialize in the smaller molecules (di and tripeptides).

Liquid meals, especially those with insufficient soluble fiber, have less time for digestion and absorption. Consequently, even in people with normal gastrointestinal function, liquid forms of whole proteins can result in undigested protein being delivered to the colon.

It’s not the amount of protein you eat, but the amount that actually reaches the bloodstream that's the issue.

If the enzymes can’t get the protein, the undigested protein simply passes through the system without being absorbed and used by the body.

- EME

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

EVERY gram of protein you consume will go to use. No matter what someone on Bodybuilding.com tells you.

**Sholiz** · 11-14-2005, 12:09 AM

Lamens terms ... if you eat to much you just shit it out.

**Peaked_18** · 11-14-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by EME

Unfortunately, this is not true.

In order for efficient absorption of dietary protein to occur, it must first be reduced in size from molecules (oligopeptides) into smaller molecules (five amino acids, di and tripeptides).

It must then be transported by amino acid transporters —those that specialize in the smaller molecules (di and tripeptides).

Liquid meals, especially those with insufficient soluble fiber, have less time for digestion and absorption. Consequently, even in people with normal gastrointestinal function, liquid forms of whole proteins can result in undigested protein being delivered to the colon.

It’s not the amount of protein you eat, but the amount that actually reaches the bloodstream that's the issue.

If the enzymes can’t get the protein, the undigested protein simply passes through the system without being absorbed and used by the body.

- EME

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Originally Posted by iron addict

You need to understand that before a single gram of protein will be used for growth, first overall metabolic needs must be attended to. Then you need to take in to account all the micro-trauma that heavy training creates. Your body must use the ingested protein to first just synthesize protein just to heal what was damaged and get you back to square one before any additional mass will be accrued.

Now comes the big kicker that almost everyone here reading this is CLUELESS about—how little actual protein content is in the food you eat. When many see a recommendation that a 200 lb guy trying to add mass should get 375-400 grams of protein a day many flip-out. That is nuts! No one could use or possibly have a need for that much protein---WRONG! Just because 8 ounces of steak with fat has about 60 grams of protein, the average guy assumes that 400 grams of actual protein is a HUGE amount. IT IS NOT! 8 ounces of steak is mostly water and other constituents that do NOT count as the protein count.

But instead of taking my word for it, you do the math and find out how much ACTUAL PROTEIN is in an amount you would consider HUGE, and then think about what your overall bodyweight is and how tore-up a hard workout makes you feel.

http://www.sciencelab.com/data/conversions/weight.shtml

Tonight on versus!

Master Of Puppets · 11-14-2005, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

Tonight on versus!

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~~2Ripped4U~~ · 11-14-2005, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Master Of Puppets

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lmfao

**EME** · 11-14-2005, 12:36 AM

Peaked,

That is very good info explaining the need for the substantial amounts of protein in a bodybuilders diet, but it has nothing at all to do with how you get that protein from your plate into your bloodstream.

It's very true that almost any training athlete needs more protien than they think they do.

The problem is, that your body has to process that protein and get it into your bloodstream to do any good.

As mentioned in my earlier post, the digestive enzymes that process this protein have a limited amount of time to do their work. If they can't break it down into di and tri peptide molecules before it gets to the colon, it's not going to do your body any good.

The increased gas people often experience when they begin increasing their protein intake, is the by product of undigested protein passing through their intestines and colon.

No one is disputing the large amount of protein we require as bodybuilders, but steps must be taken to ensure that we actually get that amount of protein into our bloodstream. Getting the protein into our stomach isn't good enough.

This is a perfect example of the need for smaller protein meals at 2-3 hour intervals throughout the day.

- EME

**EME** · 11-14-2005, 12:38 AM

LOL... Now that's what I'm talking about! :bigthumbu

- EME

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Originally Posted by Master Of Puppets

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lan...d2=iron+addict

**Sixpack** · 11-14-2005, 10:52 AM

FIrst lesson stay on this board
Second lesson -avoid the zoo over there

11-13-2005, 11:38 PM	#1
Pumpatron Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 161 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	*BB.com Crp About Too Much Protein! I've been told over at bb.com that I shouldn't be consuming more than around 60g of protein per meal because the rest will go to waste so I thought I'd come over to here for a bit and ask some people who actually know what they're talking about. Is it true that the body can only use a certain amount of protein at a given time and how much is that? My meals consist of around 75g protein so I don't like to think that it's going to waste. HK __________________ Trainee Under Myself! "2 Mice Fell Into A Bucket Of Cream. The 1st Mouse Gave Up Trying To Get Out And Drowned. The 2nd Mouse Was Determined Not To Give In And So Struggled And Struggled For A Good 10 Minutes. All This Struggling Churned The Cream Into Butter Which Allowed The Mouse To Escape From The Bucket" Now Ask Yourself... Which Mouse Are YOU?**

11-13-2005, 11:58 PM	#7
Pumpatron Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 161 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Cheers lads I appreciate the help, I really do HK __________________ Trainee Under Myself! "2 Mice Fell Into A Bucket Of Cream. The 1st Mouse Gave Up Trying To Get Out And Drowned. The 2nd Mouse Was Determined Not To Give In And So Struggled And Struggled For A Good 10 Minutes. All This Struggling Churned The Cream Into Butter Which Allowed The Mouse To Escape From The Bucket" Now Ask Yourself... Which Mouse Are YOU?

11-14-2005, 12:09 AM	#9
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11-14-2005, 12:36 AM	#13
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,264 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	Peaked, That is very good info explaining the need for the substantial amounts of protein in a bodybuilders diet, but it has nothing at all to do with how you get that protein from your plate into your bloodstream. It's very true that almost any training athlete needs more protien than they think they do. The problem is, that your body has to process that protein and get it into your bloodstream to do any good. As mentioned in my earlier post, the digestive enzymes that process this protein have a limited amount of time to do their work. If they can't break it down into di and tri peptide molecules before it gets to the colon, it's not going to do your body any good. The increased gas people often experience when they begin increasing their protein intake, is the by product of undigested protein passing through their intestines and colon. No one is disputing the large amount of protein we require as bodybuilders, but steps must be taken to ensure that we actually get that amount of protein into our bloodstream. Getting the protein into our stomach isn't good enough. This is a perfect example of the need for smaller protein meals at 2-3 hour intervals throughout the day. - EME __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.PhysiqueFXonline.com www.MichaelandKendra.com My wife, and IFBB Fitness Pro Kendra Elias' personal site: www.KendraElias.com Proud member of Team ALR: www.ALRIndustries.com Last edited by EME : 11-14-2005 at 01:04 AM.

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11-13-2005, 11:40 PM	#2
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