[Week 33] - What weight? - Page 2

**EME** · 02-04-2006, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

http://www.elitefts.com/documents/elite.htm

Peaked showed this to me a while back when we were talking about Powerlifting and pointed out that I was at Class 1 level back in my Powerlifting days.

I totaled about 1265 @ 165lbs at my best, back when I was competing.

I was actually pretty surprised by that.

At 165 lbs I benched 225 for 21 reps, and maxed out at 365.

I think anyone under 200 who legitimately benches at least 315 and Squats and Deadlifts Over 405 is very strong compared to anyone but competitive powerlifters.

Honestly.. Anytime I see anyone under 200 pounds do any lifts with good form with over 315 lbs, I consider them strong. You don't see that a lot unless you are in a really hardcore gym, or a sports team training facility.

- EME

htxred · 02-04-2006, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SoMdHunter

I guess actually what I mean is that I don't power lift. I don't go extremely heavy with very low reps. I try to get just up to muscle failure at the end of my third or forth set with 10-12 reps.

No doubt I am getting stronger, but I'm not actually out to build up strength per se'.

ahh ok ok i get it now

in that case, im right there with ya.

**davtown** · 02-04-2006, 07:46 AM

Any have opinions on #'s for Dumbbell Chest Press?

**Trick D** · 02-04-2006, 03:25 PM

Well... dumbells are a tricky exercise and because they don't directly convert to barbell bench press it is kinda hard for me to estimate the numbers.

120- 60's
160- 90's
200- 110's
250- 150's

SoMdHunter · 02-04-2006, 10:18 PM

200 at 110lb DB's huh? One of these days I'm gonna have to attempt some 1RM. I'm at 206 and I use the 80's when I do my chest routine. I'm certain I can go to the 85's, but I'm not ready just yet since I want to be able to get the 80's for at least 2 sets of 12 reps. Soooo, I keep lifting!

I also noticed the chart doesn't take into consideration any age. Seems to me age would or should come into play. I figure as you age at some point you start to get weaker, even if you have lifted for years.

What's everyone else's thoughts?

SoMdHunter · 02-04-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by htxred

ahh ok ok i get it now

in that case, im right there with ya.

Yeah, sometimes my keyboard doesn't know just what the hell I want to say or what I am thinking and it types all kinds of crazy shit. :boink1:

SoMdHunter · 02-04-2006, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EME

Peaked showed this to me a while back when we were talking about Powerlifting and pointed out that I was at Class 1 level back in my Powerlifting days.

I totaled about 1265 @ 165lbs at my best, back when I was competing.

I was actually pretty surprised by that.

At 165 lbs I benched 225 for 21 reps, and maxed out at 365.

I think anyone under 200 who legitimately benches at least 315 and Squats and Deadlifts Over 405 is very strong compared to anyone but competitive powerlifters.

Honestly.. Anytime I see anyone under 200 pounds do any lifts with good form with over 315 lbs, I consider them strong. You don't see that a lot unless you are in a really hardcore gym, or a sports team training facility.

- EME

Mike,

You da man bro! Those are some awesome numbers!

**EME** · 02-04-2006, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoMdHunter

Mike,

You da man bro! Those are some awesome numbers!

Thanks SoMD!

I haven't trained that heavy in recent years.

I went up to about 275 on Incline Bench last fall for 4-5 reps, but that was it.
With my pec tear, I doubt I'll ever go that heavy again.

Heavy training is a very effective method for building mass, and it's what I used during my first years for sure.. but it gets harder to train that way when you have injuries to deal with, and as you get older ( although there definitely are some really strong older guys ).

Anyway... got a little off topic there.

Thanks man!

- EME

htxred · 02-04-2006, 11:16 PM

ok im at 157 @ ~13.3%, 5'7" 22 y/o

bench: 225 for 8 reps (partial, down til elbows slightly pass chest, and no lock out)
squat: 315 for 8 reps (box of course, ass even with knees)
dead: 225 for 6 reps (not up to date, i've been neglecting my back, :-/ i know bad)

so how do those numbers look to YOU guys, not the charts

**EME** · 02-04-2006, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htxred

ok im at 157 @ ~13.3%, 5'7" 22 y/o

bench: 225 for 8 reps (partial, down til elbows slightly pass chest, and no lock out)
squat: 315 for 8 reps (box of course, ass even with knees)
dead: 225 for 6 reps (not up to date, i've been neglecting my back, :-/ i know bad)

so how do those numbers look to YOU guys, not the charts

Nice numbers for 157. :bigthumbu

Why do you only do partial reps on your bench though?

I agree that partial reps can be an occasional strategy to help you bust through a plateau, but I believe that full controlled reps are very important.

- EME

htxred · 02-05-2006, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EME

Nice numbers for 157. :bigthumbu

Why do you only do partial reps on your bench though?

I agree that partial reps can be an occasional strategy to help you bust through a plateau, but I believe that full controlled reps are very important.

- EME

oh im right there with you! i alternate each week between barbell and dumbells, i do the full motion with dumbells. but with barbell i'll do a set of 185 and 205 with full reps. lately its been something like..
135 - warmup
205 - 10 full
225 - 8 partial
225 - 8 partial
185 - 10 full
i never lockout, no matter if its a full or partial rep. then usually towards the end of the month i'll try to load the bar and do what i can for 4 partial/full reps.

SoMdHunter · 02-05-2006, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htxred

oh im right there with you! i alternate each week between barbell and dumbells, i do the full motion with dumbells. but with barbell i'll do a set of 185 and 205 with full reps. lately its been something like..
135 - warmup
205 - 10 full
225 - 8 partial
225 - 8 partial
185 - 10 full
i never lockout, no matter if its a full or partial rep. then usually towards the end of the month i'll try to load the bar and do what i can for 4 partial/full reps.

I've been thinking of alternating between DB and BB for my chest routine as well. I already alternate between flat and incline with DB's each week.

**skelooth** · 02-05-2006, 02:29 PM

this topic makes me feel WEAK....

htxred · 02-05-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by skelooth

this topic makes me feel WEAK....

take advantage of your current situation and get stronger. get a girl to workout with you if you have to. i did for a month, that shit extremely helps. but also gets annoying.

**skelooth** · 02-05-2006, 03:28 PM

Well I'm not going to get weaker :P

I I'm ~200lbs short of coming in as a 4th class powerlifter for my weight. I'll probably make it after my next cut though. I'm a bit bloated :o

**Grunt76** · 03-22-2006, 03:53 PM

1st male weighs 125 = 185 x 4 / 225 x 4 / 185 x 1

2nd male weighs 160 = 225 x 4 / 275 x 4 / 225 x 1

3rd Male weighs 200 = 365 x 4 / 405 x 4 / 365 x 1

4th male weighs 250 = 495 x 6 / 580 x 4 / 495 x 1

**bigDman** · 03-22-2006, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaked_18

http://www.elitefts.com/documents/elite.htm

ill be a class one lifter by the end of the year

sfiximo · 05-04-2006, 07:41 PM

(squats, deadlifts, bench)

1st male weighs 125
........ 200sq, 250d, 180b
2nd male weighs 160
........ 350sq, 400d, 250b
3rd Male weighs 200
........ 400sq, 450d, 300b
4th male weighs 250
........ 600sq, 650d, 400b

this isnt for the tall, bloated and fat.

Crobar · 05-05-2006, 11:22 AM

man looking at those numbers make me look weak as heck.

02-04-2006, 07:46 AM	#33
davtown OM NOM NOM NOM Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,278 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 127	Any have opinions on #'s for Dumbbell Chest Press? __________________ **MY TRAINING LOG** current/goal D: 330/380 S: 270/300 B: 235/260

02-04-2006, 10:18 PM	#35
SoMdHunter Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In my treestand Posts: 383 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	200 at 110lb DB's huh? One of these days I'm gonna have to attempt some 1RM. I'm at 206 and I use the 80's when I do my chest routine. I'm certain I can go to the 85's, but I'm not ready just yet since I want to be able to get the 80's for at least 2 sets of 12 reps. Soooo, I keep lifting! I also noticed the chart doesn't take into consideration any age. Seems to me age would or should come into play. I figure as you age at some point you start to get weaker, even if you have lifted for years. What's everyone else's thoughts? __________________ Vegetarian - ancient Indian term for bad hunter.

02-05-2006, 02:29 PM	#43
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,032 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 160	this topic makes me feel WEAK.... __________________

02-05-2006, 03:28 PM	#45
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,032 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 160	Well I'm not going to get weaker :P I I'm ~200lbs short of coming in as a 4th class powerlifter for my weight. I'll probably make it after my next cut though. I'm a bit bloated :o __________________

05-04-2006, 07:41 PM	#48
sfiximo Pro Stature Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: a Posts: 303 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	(squats, deadlifts, bench) 1st male weighs 125 ........ 200sq, 250d, 180b 2nd male weighs 160 ........ 350sq, 400d, 250b 3rd Male weighs 200 ........ 400sq, 450d, 300b 4th male weighs 250 ........ 600sq, 650d, 400b this isnt for the tall, bloated and fat. __________________ check out my journal (its somewhere in the workout log section)

02-04-2006, 11:16 PM	#39
htxred Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: houston Posts: 227 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	ok im at 157 @ ~13.3%, 5'7" 22 y/o bench: 225 for 8 reps (partial, down til elbows slightly pass chest, and no lock out) squat: 315 for 8 reps (box of course, ass even with knees) dead: 225 for 6 reps (not up to date, i've been neglecting my back, :-/ i know bad) so how do those numbers look to YOU guys, not the charts