Venom Tri Lean Review

**skelooth** · 06-25-2006, 05:30 AM

When Michael Elias originally told me about ALRI's Venom Tri-Lean stack his genuine excitement for the product was enough to come right through the text, grab, and captivate me. Both ALRI and Michael are extremely respectable figures in their given fields, and I was more than delighted when Michael gave me a few bottles of the Tri-Lean system to try out. When he did so, in so many words he told me that he is so convinced that it is the best product out on the market that he wants me to see what it's all about. Furthermore, he asked me to compare Venom Tri-Lean to the effects of ephedrine and clenbuterol. That's exactly what I intend to do right now.

The obvious difficulty when it comes to reviewing fat burners is the fact that there are a million different variables at any given moment that can effect the results. With that said, I tend to look for physical responses to fat burning supplements even though it is not the most efficient way of gaging how well a particular fat burner works. I can honestly say that no matter what fat burner I've been on in the past that I've lost fat while on it. How much credit to give to the supplement is what's debatable. There are on the other hand a precious few fat burners I have taken where I have experienced either noticeable positive side effects or an apparent accelerated rate of fat burning.

I don't want to come off as a rash fan boy sucking up for free supplements, but the list of fat burners that definitely work includes the ALRI Tri-Lean system. There are specific reasons and I will try to break them down.

The first part of the ALRI Tri-Lean system I'll mention is the Venom Lean Dreams. I mention it first because first of all I think the idea of a fat burner slash sleep aid is genius, and secondly I am historically a rough sleeper. This was my favorite part of the Tri-Lean stack. While I can not fully testify it's effectiveness in burning fat due to the millions of variables in play at all times, I can testify it's effectiveness in putting my ass to sleep for the night with only a small groggy feeling in the morning. The compound in Lean Dreams uses a pretty neat combination of sleep aids, but my favorite is that it uses a melatonin precursor in addition to just melatonin. If you've ever used melatonin then you know that it's effect wears off very fast. To the best of my knowledge the inclusion of the melatonin precursor helps draw out a longer lasting melatonin effect, giving deeper sleep and a better ability to get there.

The next part of the ALRI Tri-Lean system is Venom Hyperdrive. It's marketed as a stimulant but I found it as much more of an appetite suppressant. I also found that the warnings about taking more than one cap at a time were blown way out of proportion. I am a long time stimulant user and apparently it takes a pretty big jolt of a powerful stim to get me going these days. Hyperdrive just did not deliver for me in the CNS stimulation category. I will say that it did a fantastic job of curbing my appetite. As with any compound you build tolerance over time, but at first this stuff killed my appetite so bad that I had to remind myself I needed to eat. That is a very nice problem to have when you're an endomorph who naturally over eats to begin with.

I really don't have much to say about the Venom Special tactics. I have definitely been losing a consistent amount of weight week by week while on this stack, but I can never be too certain how much I can accredit to the supplements I'm taking. It may or may not have helped with appetite suppression. It is non stimulatory. That's really all I can say in a realistic sense.

I don't have too much to say about Thyrogen-X either. If your diet is good, if your training is good, then your results will be good. Supplements are just supplements right? In order to truly gage the effectiveness of the Thyrogen-X compound, it would need to be in a very controlled study that involved bloodwork. Otherwise any claims I make about it would be biased and unscientific in every regard. I will reiterate that I have been consistently losing weight while on this stack, but it is unfair of me to pin any amount of the results on a supplement if I have no way of proving it. This is why I'm big on physical side effects and things I can feel.

So in comparison to Ephedrine, I'm leaning towards liking ephedrine better specifically for reasons of stimulatory action. The appetite suppression from the Hyperdrive was slightly better, and one of the big pluses of the Tri-Lean stack was that it had no unwanted side effects. That's great if that's what you want, but if you're a stim junky like me it will leave you wanting more. Ephedrine gives me the kick in the ass to move about that I love. But obviously ephedrine is much less safe, can give you the shakes on occasion, and has given people heart palpitations in the past.

The comparison against Clenbuterol is much more black and white. Clenbuterol makes me feel like crap, makes me shake, lose my concentration, and drives my hunger up the wall. Not to mention long term or repeated clenbuterol use can result in the softening of heart tissue. The only thing clenbuterol has in favor is it's ability to burn fat very fast. I have never taken any other compound that had resulted in such fast fat loss effects, but this was at the cost of my general health and happiness. It's hard to be happy when you're shaking like a crack head in the corner at school trying to focus on homework that makes no sense. Clenbuterol is enough to make an A student turn into a B student if the dosing is too high. Venom Tri-Lean is a much better option... you get the aid of fat loss without the nasty side effects.

In summary, I liked the Tri-Lean system. I really liked the Lean Dreams and will most likely be using it again some time in the future, possibly the Hyperdrive as well. They both have desirable properties that aid very well in getting your ass into shape. If you've got the money the full stack is worth a go. Even though I can not report specifically on the fat loss effects of the thyrogen and special tactics, I am certain they are synergistic when combined with the rest of the system.

If you're an Ironmass member I believe EME is still offering a discount on these items in the Classifieds section.

Brent · 06-25-2006, 06:10 AM

Beautiful review.

It is really too bad that stimulants do not work for me.

**skelooth** · 06-25-2006, 03:58 PM

Thanks brent!

Not even ephedrine works for you? Have you tried amp? I've tried so many.... ephedrine is obviously the king of stims, but I'd have to put amp as a runner up.

**madman911** · 06-25-2006, 04:35 PM

I found Hyperdrive to have a potent stimulant effect. I've used ephedrine in the past.. and will again, I have loads of it. HD 3.0 has a very different feeling from ephedrine... not as jittery, with very noticeably elevated energy levels and mental hyperactivity that last a LONG time. I tried two caps when the effects started to diminish and it was a rather unpleasant experience; I did experience some unpleasant jitters and overall I just felt distracted and out of my head for the entire day. No doubt in mind that HD 3.0 is a powerful stim.

Brent · 06-25-2006, 04:47 PM

List of stims that didn't stimulant me:
Caffeine
Ephedrine HCL
Lipoxene
Xanorex EF
Stimulant X
AMP
c2
3º Burn
Stacker 3

Some gave me appetite suppression, but they made me sick so I didnt want to eat. haha.

**skelooth** · 06-25-2006, 05:52 PM

That's really strange. Are you ectomorphic at all?

Brent · 06-26-2006, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

That's really strange. Are you ectomorphic at all?

Don't know wtf I am. lol

(This is me lean, which I am not now. I should be after the contest though.

**skelooth** · 06-26-2006, 03:35 AM

wow, strong arms!

</bb.com humor>

I would definitely say you lean towards ectomorphic. The reason why I asked is because for some reason ephedrine seems to be inversely proportional to bodyfat% in most people. For example 25mg might not do anything for a thin ectomorph, but it will be enough to make a fat guy feel like he's on the verge of a heart attack.

I actually experienced first hand by taking ephedrine at different stages of my weight loss from ~300 to ~200. When I was severly overweight 12.5mg was enough to send me running laps lol. Of course nowadays I take 50mg and hope i can get a kick out of it.

Brent · 06-26-2006, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

wow, strong arms!

</bb.com humor>

Well, Thanks for the insult.

I have something to makeup for my arms....

**skelooth** · 06-26-2006, 04:18 AM

Holy Crap!!! Dude there is a walrus or something trapped in your calf!

I wasn't say anything about arms dude, i was just being silly :p. Actually your biceps look kinda swole at that angle, actually a little disproptionately big compared to your shoulders.

How did you get those calves? biking?

Brent · 06-26-2006, 05:33 AM

I have no shoulders, you are correct.

The calves are a combination of genetics,being fat as a child, and cycling.

06-25-2006, 05:30 AM	#1
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	Venom Tri Lean Review When Michael Elias originally told me about ALRI's Venom Tri-Lean stack his genuine excitement for the product was enough to come right through the text, grab, and captivate me. Both ALRI and Michael are extremely respectable figures in their given fields, and I was more than delighted when Michael gave me a few bottles of the Tri-Lean system to try out. When he did so, in so many words he told me that he is so convinced that it is the best product out on the market that he wants me to see what it's all about. Furthermore, he asked me to compare Venom Tri-Lean to the effects of ephedrine and clenbuterol. That's exactly what I intend to do right now. The obvious difficulty when it comes to reviewing fat burners is the fact that there are a million different variables at any given moment that can effect the results. With that said, I tend to look for physical responses to fat burning supplements even though it is not the most efficient way of gaging how well a particular fat burner works. I can honestly say that no matter what fat burner I've been on in the past that I've lost fat while on it. How much credit to give to the supplement is what's debatable. There are on the other hand a precious few fat burners I have taken where I have experienced either noticeable positive side effects or an apparent accelerated rate of fat burning. I don't want to come off as a rash fan boy sucking up for free supplements, but the list of fat burners that definitely work includes the ALRI Tri-Lean system. There are specific reasons and I will try to break them down. The first part of the ALRI Tri-Lean system I'll mention is the Venom Lean Dreams. I mention it first because first of all I think the idea of a fat burner slash sleep aid is genius, and secondly I am historically a rough sleeper. This was my favorite part of the Tri-Lean stack. While I can not fully testify it's effectiveness in burning fat due to the millions of variables in play at all times, I can testify it's effectiveness in putting my ass to sleep for the night with only a small groggy feeling in the morning. The compound in Lean Dreams uses a pretty neat combination of sleep aids, but my favorite is that it uses a melatonin precursor in addition to just melatonin. If you've ever used melatonin then you know that it's effect wears off very fast. To the best of my knowledge the inclusion of the melatonin precursor helps draw out a longer lasting melatonin effect, giving deeper sleep and a better ability to get there. The next part of the ALRI Tri-Lean system is Venom Hyperdrive. It's marketed as a stimulant but I found it as much more of an appetite suppressant. I also found that the warnings about taking more than one cap at a time were blown way out of proportion. I am a long time stimulant user and apparently it takes a pretty big jolt of a powerful stim to get me going these days. Hyperdrive just did not deliver for me in the CNS stimulation category. I will say that it did a fantastic job of curbing my appetite. As with any compound you build tolerance over time, but at first this stuff killed my appetite so bad that I had to remind myself I needed to eat. That is a very nice problem to have when you're an endomorph who naturally over eats to begin with. I really don't have much to say about the Venom Special tactics. I have definitely been losing a consistent amount of weight week by week while on this stack, but I can never be too certain how much I can accredit to the supplements I'm taking. It may or may not have helped with appetite suppression. It is non stimulatory. That's really all I can say in a realistic sense. I don't have too much to say about Thyrogen-X either. If your diet is good, if your training is good, then your results will be good. Supplements are just supplements right? In order to truly gage the effectiveness of the Thyrogen-X compound, it would need to be in a very controlled study that involved bloodwork. Otherwise any claims I make about it would be biased and unscientific in every regard. I will reiterate that I have been consistently losing weight while on this stack, but it is unfair of me to pin any amount of the results on a supplement if I have no way of proving it. This is why I'm big on physical side effects and things I can feel. So in comparison to Ephedrine, I'm leaning towards liking ephedrine better specifically for reasons of stimulatory action. The appetite suppression from the Hyperdrive was slightly better, and one of the big pluses of the Tri-Lean stack was that it had no unwanted side effects. That's great if that's what you want, but if you're a stim junky like me it will leave you wanting more. Ephedrine gives me the kick in the ass to move about that I love. But obviously ephedrine is much less safe, can give you the shakes on occasion, and has given people heart palpitations in the past. The comparison against Clenbuterol is much more black and white. Clenbuterol makes me feel like crap, makes me shake, lose my concentration, and drives my hunger up the wall. Not to mention long term or repeated clenbuterol use can result in the softening of heart tissue. The only thing clenbuterol has in favor is it's ability to burn fat very fast. I have never taken any other compound that had resulted in such fast fat loss effects, but this was at the cost of my general health and happiness. It's hard to be happy when you're shaking like a crack head in the corner at school trying to focus on homework that makes no sense. Clenbuterol is enough to make an A student turn into a B student if the dosing is too high. Venom Tri-Lean is a much better option... you get the aid of fat loss without the nasty side effects. In summary, I liked the Tri-Lean system. I really liked the Lean Dreams and will most likely be using it again some time in the future, possibly the Hyperdrive as well. They both have desirable properties that aid very well in getting your ass into shape. If you've got the money the full stack is worth a go. Even though I can not report specifically on the fat loss effects of the thyrogen and special tactics, I am certain they are synergistic when combined with the rest of the system. If you're an Ironmass member I believe EME is still offering a discount on these items in the Classifieds section. __________________

06-25-2006, 06:10 AM	#2
Brent Pro Stature Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ND Posts: 367 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Beautiful review. It is really too bad that stimulants do not work for me. __________________ Brent@AnabolicX.com NEW! Anabolic Xtreme Forum!

06-25-2006, 03:58 PM	#3
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	Thanks brent! Not even ephedrine works for you? Have you tried amp? I've tried so many.... ephedrine is obviously the king of stims, but I'd have to put amp as a runner up. __________________

06-25-2006, 04:35 PM	#4
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,525 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	I found Hyperdrive to have a potent stimulant effect. I've used ephedrine in the past.. and will again, I have loads of it. HD 3.0 has a very different feeling from ephedrine... not as jittery, with very noticeably elevated energy levels and mental hyperactivity that last a LONG time. I tried two caps when the effects started to diminish and it was a rather unpleasant experience; I did experience some unpleasant jitters and overall I just felt distracted and out of my head for the entire day. No doubt in mind that HD 3.0 is a powerful stim. __________________ Millennium Sport Technologies Sponsored Athlete http://www.millenniumsport.net IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

06-25-2006, 04:47 PM	#5
Brent Pro Stature Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ND Posts: 367 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	List of stims that didn't stimulant me: Caffeine Ephedrine HCL Lipoxene Xanorex EF Stimulant X AMP c2 3º Burn Stacker 3 Some gave me appetite suppression, but they made me sick so I didnt want to eat. haha. __________________ Brent@AnabolicX.com NEW! Anabolic Xtreme Forum!

06-25-2006, 05:52 PM	#6
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	That's really strange. Are you ectomorphic at all? __________________

06-26-2006, 03:35 AM	#8
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	wow, strong arms! </bb.com humor> I would definitely say you lean towards ectomorphic. The reason why I asked is because for some reason ephedrine seems to be inversely proportional to bodyfat% in most people. For example 25mg might not do anything for a thin ectomorph, but it will be enough to make a fat guy feel like he's on the verge of a heart attack. I actually experienced first hand by taking ephedrine at different stages of my weight loss from ~300 to ~200. When I was severly overweight 12.5mg was enough to send me running laps lol. Of course nowadays I take 50mg and hope i can get a kick out of it. __________________

06-26-2006, 04:18 AM	#10
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 8,042 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 162	Holy Crap!!! Dude there is a walrus or something trapped in your calf! I wasn't say anything about arms dude, i was just being silly :p. Actually your biceps look kinda swole at that angle, actually a little disproptionately big compared to your shoulders. How did you get those calves? biking? __________________

06-26-2006, 05:33 AM	#11
Brent Pro Stature Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ND Posts: 367 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	I have no shoulders, you are correct. The calves are a combination of genetics,being fat as a child, and cycling. __________________ Brent@AnabolicX.com NEW! Anabolic Xtreme Forum!

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