Venom™ Sample Review - Proverbs 4:13

~~Hacking is a Felony~~ · 10-22-2005, 10:54 PM

I received a 6 cap sample of ALRI's Venom in my last order from Island Supplements. Thanks again Yancey!

This will be my mini review to report any energy and appetite suppression effects from Venom.

I will only be taking one cap a day pre-workout to see what Venom has to offer.

Product Information:

ALRI Venom™

Increases Stamina And Energy While Suppressing Appetite!

At last a fat loss supplement you can actually feel within the very first hour of taking the very first dose. By creating a pro-energy fat mobilizing structure that supports the body's ability to utilize fat as a source of energy (Calorie expenditure), ALRI has set a new standard for energy and fat loss supplements. Why do almost all fat loss systems fail? It's pretty simple really. Come on now. Everyone wants to see what's under that extra fat layer, but when we first start dieting (restricting our calorie intake) and augment the amount of calories we burn (by increasing exercise), everything goes great for about the first week. Then, like most human's on the planet, we start getting hungry (like eating a whole wedding cake at 3 AM type hungry) and run out of energy. So, in short, you crave food and have no interest in doing anything that requires any energy unless it somehow involves that wedding cake and a gallon of milk. (ya, I know, no fat people jokes)

So What Do We Need To Succeed?

First, we need to clean up our diets by dropping sugars, alcohol, and excessive fatty foods (Okay, at least consume them only in moderation). Second, we need to put together a training program that increases the number of calories we burn per day. Third, we need to do something about that "Commit felonies for a wedding cake but too lazy to do so" feeling that always hits us like a ton of lard after the first week of lower calories! Lastly, we need something to bolster the increased metabolic rate (increased calorie expenditure) we generated while training our ass off because it certainly would make the whole deal more worth while, right?

Venom from ALRI is a supplement designed for adults age 21 or over only. This is a product created for those adults who need the best environment to achieve results through responsible application of a highly advance formula in combination with hard training and smart nutrition. Venom is specifically formulated using the only the most effective metabolic support compounds. Additionally these compounds were specifically chosen both for their own unique affects, and for their profound synergy so 1 + 1 = 3.

This product has been reported to:

Increase stamina and energy
Manage appetite
Increase calorie expenditure
Improve long term performance
Improve mental focus

Supplement Facts:

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 90

Amount Per Serving:

Unique Proprietary Matrix: 300mg
Cocoamine, Guarana extracts,Hoodia gordonii, 5-HTP, ALAVitaberine (thiamine trisulfide analog), B-12 (as cyanocobalamin), Guggul Extracts (2.5% Guggulsterones),Rhodiola rosea root extract, Capsiate.

Inactive Ingredients:
Magnesium stearate, maltodextrin and gelatin capsule.

So What Sets Venom™ Apart From the Rest?

Anyone can mix a bunch of compounds or herbs together and shove it into a capsule. All too often this is followed by ads that promise the world but deliver next to nothing. This is not to say that all products in this category are bad, just that “some” create doubt upon those that perform as intended. So let’s look at the research supporting the value of the synergistic ingredients formulated for Venom™.

Cocoamine™ (Only From ALRI)

Cocoamine™ is trade marked and patent pending proprietary unique cocoa extract that provides the health benefits of chocolate without any of the unhealthy ingredients (you know, like sugar and fat).

Please do not confuse Cocoamine™ with the patented ingredient Chocomine™. Our Cocoamine™ is a unique matrix standardized for nearly 98% actives. Try it before you judge it!

Cocoamine™ contains several natural occurring substrates, including methylxanthines (theobromine, caffeine, and theophylline), biogenic-amines (phenylethylamine, tyramine, octopamine and synephrines), amino acids (phenylalanine, tryptophan, tyrosine, others), minerals (with a high content of magnesium) and several beneficial antioxidants.

*You may think you have used a product similar to this, but one dose of Venom™ will show you how wrong you are.

(Please start with only one capsule!)

Phenylethylamine (PEA) is an endogenous neuroamine that increases attention and activity in animals and has been studied for its ability to relieve depression in 60% of depressed patients. It has been proposed that PEA deficit may be the cause of a common form of depression. It is also your body’s most powerful natural stimulant. Interesting in that PEA improves mood as rapidly as amphetamine but does not produce tolerance. Okay, natural PEA is good. And synthetic amphetamine is bad. Though they share many common positive affects, the latter is not a good option due its own negative affects. Got it?

Another interesting reality found in PEA research is its unique ability to stimulate striatal acetylcholine release. Big deal? Well this neurotransmitter positively affects everything from libido to the sense of hunger with benefits to mood, focus and stress. Okay, and a positive effect upon erectile function has been noted in other studies.

Caffeine is an interesting and well know compound, certainly nothing new to the supplement industry. But there is some valuable research that shows a lot of potential benefits. Yes, everyone already knows that it is noted as a compound that increases energy significantly.

In one rat study and several human studies, caffeine has show to have appetite suppressive value. Naturally most dieters cheat and can use all the will power they can get.

Another study has shown caffeine to decrease fat redeposit and aid thermogenesis through fat oxidation. In part this appears to result in suppressed leptin (you know, the fat regulating hormone)

Tyramine, Octopamine and Synephrines all have a positive effect upon beta-3 receptors thus increasing the rate of thermogenesis and metabolic rate. Many have compared the affects to those of ephedra mostly in a positive sense. Let me explain that a little better.

Several studies have found that patients who achieve only a small weight loss during dietary therapy, and have a tendency to weight regain, are characterized by lower energy expenditure, lower sympathetic activity, and a reduced ability to mobilize fat stores, compared with patients who are more successful at losing weight.

It is reasonable to improve or normalize these traits by supporting the dietary approach with pharmacological manipulation of central and peripheral pathways. Agents that stimulate adrenergic neurons are particularly suitable because they offer mechanisms for temporarily inhibiting hunger and for stimulating energy expenditure, lipolysis and fat oxidation.

Sympathomimetic compounds can reduce appetite and increase energy expenditure. Energy expenditure can be increased by 5-10% via stimulation of a combination of beta-adrenoceptors; beta3-adrenoceptors may predominate during chronic use. This increased energy expenditure increases the relative proportion of fat oxidation; as this is not fully compensated by increased energy intake, a negative energy balance occurs. This mechanism may be responsible for the long-term weight loss efficiency of agents like, ephedra, octopamine, tyramine and synephrines.

Noteworthy, the elevated plasma insulin of obese rats was lowered by octopamine. One study showed that octopamine can reduce body weight gain in obese rats, without apparent adverse effects, but with less efficacy than beta3-AR agonists.

Both individually and combined the combination of these multiple ingredients produces a unique effect. Research has substantiated the many positive user feed-back factoids about Cocoamine™, including increased energy, appetite suppression, lipolysis (fat burning), improved mood, improved concentration, increased alertness, improved physical performance, aphrodisiac properties, and health benefits. When correctly processed, all of these benefits become a reality.

So What Else Is In It?

The need for extreme appetite suppression seems to be a large factor in the out come of any diet intended to help lose body fat. So we added hoodia. One study appears to have explained why people report long term hunger suppression with the use of hoodia. It seems likely that increased ATP content/production in the hypothalamus may be a signal for energy-sensing of satiety.

Next we included 5-HTP which acts as a precursor for serotonin (mood enhancement), ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid) to aid in insulin mediation, guggul sterone extracts to support thyroid activity, Rhodiola to increase support for ATP and cAMP production, B vitamins to support energy pathways and capsiate for thermogenesis, lypolysis and anti-oxidant value.

Okay, Capsiate is kind of cool so I want to say a little more about it. Everyone in hard core bodybuilding has heard of the fat loss compound DNP. Well, it works by making the mitochondria burn more calories in effort to make ATP by uncoupling the process with a compound called UCP-1 and UPC-2…and it is very dangerous. Better options?

It’s All About Synergy

A single dose of capsiate temporarily raised both UCP1 mRNA in brown adipose tissue and UCP3 mRNA in skeletal muscle. These results suggest that UCP1 and UCP2 may contribute to the promotion of energy metabolism by capsiate, but that thyroid hormones do not. In short, a smarter and naturally occurring option. Yes, both human and rat studies.

Sometimes all of the right ingredients can be in a product but the correct amounts and standardization can blow the whole out come. It is all about the correct amounts of each substrate and that each acts in synergy with one another…without counteracting another…that makes the product gold or a rip-off.

Get what you pay for and try ALRI’s Venom™…but please follow directions. We do things right.

Directions: As a supplement begin by taking one (1) capsule firth thing in the morning with food for first 2 days before progressing to one to two (1-2) capsules one to two (1-2) times daily. Always take this supplement with food and do not exceed recommended supplemental dosages.

*Most report a single morning dosage with food is all they need for optimal energy levels the entire day.

Warnings: NOT FOR USE BY INDIVIDUALS UNDER THE AGE OF 21 YEARS. DO NOT USE IF PREGNANT OR NURSING. Consult a Physician before using this or any product if you have, or have a family history of, including but not limited to high blood pressure, cardiac arrhythmias, heart, liver, kidney, thyroid, or psychiatric disease, phenochromacytoma, diabetes, asthma, recurrent head aches, anemia, nervousness, anxiety, depression or other psychiatric condition, peptic ulcers, Parkinson’s disease, glaucoma, difficulty in urinating, prostate enlargement, or seizure disorder, or if you are using a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) or any other dietary supplement, prescription drug, or over-the-counter drug containing ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, or phenylpropanolamine (ingredients found in certain allergy, asthma, cough or cold, and weight control products). Do not exceed recommended serving. Exceeding recommended serving may cause serious adverse health effects, including heart attack and stroke. Discontinue use and call a physician or licensed qualified health care professional immediately if you experience rapid heartbeat, dizziness, severe headache, shortness of breath, or other similar symptoms. Individuals who consume caffeine with this product may experience serious adverse health effects and those that are sensitive to the effects of caffeine should consult a Physician before consuming this product. Improper use of this product may be hazardous to a person’s health. Do not use during strenuous activity in high temperature conditions (Greater than 80 degrees Fahrenheit). Drink at least 2 liters of water daily and consume adequate calories when using this product.

These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

dtrain13 · 10-22-2005, 11:57 PM

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this product as I am considering picking some up.

~~Hacking is a Felony~~ · 10-23-2005, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtrain13

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this product as I am considering picking some up.

Cool .. I'm going to give this a try first thing tomorrow morning before my leg workout.

**krzna** · 10-23-2005, 12:23 AM

I m gonna try and hook u up with Stim X bro, I need comparisions of both.

**Sixpack** · 10-23-2005, 12:50 AM

Very nice I have been using Stim X every other day and loving it, just ordered 25 more samples. I am interested how this fairs against it

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROVERBS 4:13

Cool .. I'm going to give this a try first thing tomorrow morning before my leg workout.

~~Hacking is a Felony~~ · 10-23-2005, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krzna

I m gonna try and hook u up with Stim X bro, I need comparisions of both.

Thanks Kris .. btw I never received the Retain either.

~~Hacking is a Felony~~ · 10-24-2005, 12:26 AM

Dosage: 1 cap @ approx 11:45AM

Thoughts:

I hit the gym about 20 minutes later and I didn't feel much energy from Venom. I did not notice an increase in perspiration at first. I didn't really kick in until after my doing my second exercise on legs. Up until then I was starting to think that I might need 2 caps, but then the sweating kicked in and I felt my body temperature rise a little. By the time I was done with my workout I had worked up a good sweat. Not quite the same as Ephedra/Ephedrine but very close when it comes to perspiration. After getting home I still didn't feel any increase in energy but I do see the fat burning abilities this product could have if used in a cutting cycle. I noticed no crash nor any headaches from Venom but then again I didn't notice too much in the energy department so far. We'll see if that changes in the next few days.

**Sixpack** · 10-24-2005, 03:23 AM

Thanks big man for the update . I am very interested in this

~~Hacking is a Felony~~ · 10-24-2005, 08:47 PM

Dosage: 1 cap @ approx 10:00AM

Thoughts:

I hit the gym about an hour after I took Venom and felt a little more alertness but not a whole lot of energy. I felt my body temperature rise again plus we just moved into a new building here at work and the new gym we have felt a little stuffy. I had a great shoulder and traps workout and Venom had me sweating. The perspiration was increased compared to yesterday's workout. Again not a whole of energy but I did feel some alertness. Also to note, I haven't noticed any changes in focus with Venom.

**krzna** · 10-24-2005, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROVERBS 4:13

Thanks Kris .. btw I never received the Retain either.

was shipped out thursday, anytime now ruben, sorry bro the O put us back.

~~Hacking is a Felony~~ · 10-24-2005, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krzna

was shipped out thursday, anytime now ruben, sorry bro the O put us back.

Thanks my brother! :bigthumbu

~~Hacking is a Felony~~ · 10-25-2005, 09:10 PM

Dosage: 2 caps @ approx 9:30AM

Thoughts:

I hit the gym about 30 minutes after taking 2 caps of Venom. I was ready for a boost of energy to kick in since I took 2 caps, but I was sadly disappointed. I noticed no more energy than taking just the one cap the last 2 days. One thing I've noticed is that there is some appetite supression. It's nowhere near the point where I have to force myself to eat, but I am not feeling as hungry as usual .. I'm just find myself remembering that I have to eat. No headaches or sides to report.

~~Hacking is a Felony~~ · 10-26-2005, 08:10 PM

Dosage: 2 caps @ approx 9:00AM

Thoughts:

I took the last 2 caps I had of Venom about an hour prior to my workout. Once again I felt no major increase in energy above the norm. Perspiration did not increase today. I am noticing the appetite supression but that's about it.

Overall Thoughts:

Well, I am very surprised that Venom didn't live up to my expectations. I have used other stimulants that are more cost effective and provide way more energy than Venom did for me. It may work better for others but for some reason it did nothing for me besides surpress my appetite. If you can get a sample go ahead and give it a try .. like I said it may effect you different.

Thanks once again to Yancey over at Island for hooking me up with the free sample.

10-22-2005, 10:54 PM	#1
~~Hacking is a Felony~~ I destroy property Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,105 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Venom™ Sample Review - Proverbs 4:13 I received a 6 cap sample of ALRI's Venom in my last order from Island Supplements. Thanks again Yancey! This will be my mini review to report any energy and appetite suppression effects from Venom. I will only be taking one cap a day pre-workout to see what Venom has to offer. Product Information: ALRI Venom™ Increases Stamina And Energy While Suppressing Appetite! At last a fat loss supplement you can actually feel within the very first hour of taking the very first dose. By creating a pro-energy fat mobilizing structure that supports the body's ability to utilize fat as a source of energy (Calorie expenditure), ALRI has set a new standard for energy and fat loss supplements. Why do almost all fat loss systems fail? It's pretty simple really. Come on now. Everyone wants to see what's under that extra fat layer, but when we first start dieting (restricting our calorie intake) and augment the amount of calories we burn (by increasing exercise), everything goes great for about the first week. Then, like most human's on the planet, we start getting hungry (like eating a whole wedding cake at 3 AM type hungry) and run out of energy. So, in short, you crave food and have no interest in doing anything that requires any energy unless it somehow involves that wedding cake and a gallon of milk. (ya, I know, no fat people jokes) So What Do We Need To Succeed? First, we need to clean up our diets by dropping sugars, alcohol, and excessive fatty foods (Okay, at least consume them only in moderation). Second, we need to put together a training program that increases the number of calories we burn per day. Third, we need to do something about that "Commit felonies for a wedding cake but too lazy to do so" feeling that always hits us like a ton of lard after the first week of lower calories! Lastly, we need something to bolster the increased metabolic rate (increased calorie expenditure) we generated while training our ass off because it certainly would make the whole deal more worth while, right? Venom from ALRI is a supplement designed for adults age 21 or over only. This is a product created for those adults who need the best environment to achieve results through responsible application of a highly advance formula in combination with hard training and smart nutrition. Venom is specifically formulated using the only the most effective metabolic support compounds. Additionally these compounds were specifically chosen both for their own unique affects, and for their profound synergy so 1 + 1 = 3. This product has been reported to: Increase stamina and energy Manage appetite Increase calorie expenditure Improve long term performance Improve mental focus Supplement Facts: Serving Size: 1 Capsule Servings Per Container: 90 Amount Per Serving: Unique Proprietary Matrix: 300mg Cocoamine, Guarana extracts,Hoodia gordonii, 5-HTP, ALAVitaberine (thiamine trisulfide analog), B-12 (as cyanocobalamin), Guggul Extracts (2.5% Guggulsterones),Rhodiola rosea root extract, Capsiate. Inactive Ingredients: Magnesium stearate, maltodextrin and gelatin capsule. So What Sets Venom™ Apart From the Rest? Anyone can mix a bunch of compounds or herbs together and shove it into a capsule. All too often this is followed by ads that promise the world but deliver next to nothing. This is not to say that all products in this category are bad, just that “some” create doubt upon those that perform as intended. So let’s look at the research supporting the value of the synergistic ingredients formulated for Venom™. Cocoamine™ (Only From ALRI) Cocoamine™ is trade marked and patent pending proprietary unique cocoa extract that provides the health benefits of chocolate without any of the unhealthy ingredients (you know, like sugar and fat). Please do not confuse Cocoamine™ with the patented ingredient Chocomine™. Our Cocoamine™ is a unique matrix standardized for nearly 98% actives. Try it before you judge it! Cocoamine™ contains several natural occurring substrates, including methylxanthines (theobromine, caffeine, and theophylline), biogenic-amines (phenylethylamine, tyramine, octopamine and synephrines), amino acids (phenylalanine, tryptophan, tyrosine, others), minerals (with a high content of magnesium) and several beneficial antioxidants. You may think you have used a product similar to this, but one dose of Venom™ will show you how wrong you are. (Please start with only one capsule!)* Phenylethylamine (PEA) is an endogenous neuroamine that increases attention and activity in animals and has been studied for its ability to relieve depression in 60% of depressed patients. It has been proposed that PEA deficit may be the cause of a common form of depression. It is also your body’s most powerful natural stimulant. Interesting in that PEA improves mood as rapidly as amphetamine but does not produce tolerance. Okay, natural PEA is good. And synthetic amphetamine is bad. Though they share many common positive affects, the latter is not a good option due its own negative affects. Got it? Another interesting reality found in PEA research is its unique ability to stimulate striatal acetylcholine release. Big deal? Well this neurotransmitter positively affects everything from libido to the sense of hunger with benefits to mood, focus and stress. Okay, and a positive effect upon erectile function has been noted in other studies. Caffeine is an interesting and well know compound, certainly nothing new to the supplement industry. But there is some valuable research that shows a lot of potential benefits. Yes, everyone already knows that it is noted as a compound that increases energy significantly. In one rat study and several human studies, caffeine has show to have appetite suppressive value. Naturally most dieters cheat and can use all the will power they can get. Another study has shown caffeine to decrease fat redeposit and aid thermogenesis through fat oxidation. In part this appears to result in suppressed leptin (you know, the fat regulating hormone) Tyramine, Octopamine and Synephrines all have a positive effect upon beta-3 receptors thus increasing the rate of thermogenesis and metabolic rate. Many have compared the affects to those of ephedra mostly in a positive sense. Let me explain that a little better. Several studies have found that patients who achieve only a small weight loss during dietary therapy, and have a tendency to weight regain, are characterized by lower energy expenditure, lower sympathetic activity, and a reduced ability to mobilize fat stores, compared with patients who are more successful at losing weight. It is reasonable to improve or normalize these traits by supporting the dietary approach with pharmacological manipulation of central and peripheral pathways. Agents that stimulate adrenergic neurons are particularly suitable because they offer mechanisms for temporarily inhibiting hunger and for stimulating energy expenditure, lipolysis and fat oxidation. Sympathomimetic compounds can reduce appetite and increase energy expenditure. Energy expenditure can be increased by 5-10% via stimulation of a combination of beta-adrenoceptors; beta3-adrenoceptors may predominate during chronic use. This increased energy expenditure increases the relative proportion of fat oxidation; as this is not fully compensated by increased energy intake, a negative energy balance occurs. This mechanism may be responsible for the long-term weight loss efficiency of agents like, ephedra, octopamine, tyramine and synephrines. Noteworthy, the elevated plasma insulin of obese rats was lowered by octopamine. One study showed that octopamine can reduce body weight gain in obese rats, without apparent adverse effects, but with less efficacy than beta3-AR agonists. Both individually and combined the combination of these multiple ingredients produces a unique effect. Research has substantiated the many positive user feed-back factoids about Cocoamine™, including increased energy, appetite suppression, lipolysis (fat burning), improved mood, improved concentration, increased alertness, improved physical performance, aphrodisiac properties, and health benefits. When correctly processed, all of these benefits become a reality. So What Else Is In It? The need for extreme appetite suppression seems to be a large factor in the out come of any diet intended to help lose body fat. So we added hoodia. One study appears to have explained why people report long term hunger suppression with the use of hoodia. It seems likely that increased ATP content/production in the hypothalamus may be a signal for energy-sensing of satiety. Next we included 5-HTP which acts as a precursor for serotonin (mood enhancement), ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid) to aid in insulin mediation, guggul sterone extracts to support thyroid activity, Rhodiola to increase support for ATP and cAMP production, B vitamins to support energy pathways and capsiate for thermogenesis, lypolysis and anti-oxidant value. Okay, Capsiate is kind of cool so I want to say a little more about it. Everyone in hard core bodybuilding has heard of the fat loss compound DNP. Well, it works by making the mitochondria burn more calories in effort to make ATP by uncoupling the process with a compound called UCP-1 and UPC-2…and it is very dangerous. Better options? It’s All About Synergy A single dose of capsiate temporarily raised both UCP1 mRNA in brown adipose tissue and UCP3 mRNA in skeletal muscle. These results suggest that UCP1 and UCP2 may contribute to the promotion of energy metabolism by capsiate, but that thyroid hormones do not. In short, a smarter and naturally occurring option. Yes, both human and rat studies. Sometimes all of the right ingredients can be in a product but the correct amounts and standardization can blow the whole out come. It is all about the correct amounts of each substrate and that each acts in synergy with one another…without counteracting another…that makes the product gold or a rip-off. Get what you pay for and try ALRI’s Venom™…but please follow directions. We do things right. Directions: As a supplement begin by taking one (1) capsule firth thing in the morning with food for first 2 days before progressing to one to two (1-2) capsules one to two (1-2) times daily. Always take this supplement with food and do not exceed recommended supplemental dosages. Most report a single morning dosage with food is all they need for optimal energy levels the entire day. Warnings:* NOT FOR USE BY INDIVIDUALS UNDER THE AGE OF 21 YEARS. DO NOT USE IF PREGNANT OR NURSING. Consult a Physician before using this or any product if you have, or have a family history of, including but not limited to high blood pressure, cardiac arrhythmias, heart, liver, kidney, thyroid, or psychiatric disease, phenochromacytoma, diabetes, asthma, recurrent head aches, anemia, nervousness, anxiety, depression or other psychiatric condition, peptic ulcers, Parkinson’s disease, glaucoma, difficulty in urinating, prostate enlargement, or seizure disorder, or if you are using a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) or any other dietary supplement, prescription drug, or over-the-counter drug containing ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, or phenylpropanolamine (ingredients found in certain allergy, asthma, cough or cold, and weight control products). Do not exceed recommended serving. Exceeding recommended serving may cause serious adverse health effects, including heart attack and stroke. Discontinue use and call a physician or licensed qualified health care professional immediately if you experience rapid heartbeat, dizziness, severe headache, shortness of breath, or other similar symptoms. Individuals who consume caffeine with this product may experience serious adverse health effects and those that are sensitive to the effects of caffeine should consult a Physician before consuming this product. Improper use of this product may be hazardous to a person’s health. Do not use during strenuous activity in high temperature conditions (Greater than 80 degrees Fahrenheit). Drink at least 2 liters of water daily and consume adequate calories when using this product. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

10-23-2005, 12:23 AM	#4
krzna Dogg Crappin Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Olangapo-Zambales,Philipines Posts: 1,632 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	I m gonna try and hook u up with Stim X bro, I need comparisions of both. __________________ *DIET DEDICATION DP** www.surpassgenetics.com www.offshorebodybuilding.com www.thevipboard.com Team Beast Breeder colossus@beastbreeder.com

10-24-2005, 12:26 AM	#7
~~Hacking is a Felony~~ I destroy property Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,105 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Day 1 Dosage: 1 cap @ approx 11:45AM Thoughts: I hit the gym about 20 minutes later and I didn't feel much energy from Venom. I did not notice an increase in perspiration at first. I didn't really kick in until after my doing my second exercise on legs. Up until then I was starting to think that I might need 2 caps, but then the sweating kicked in and I felt my body temperature rise a little. By the time I was done with my workout I had worked up a good sweat. Not quite the same as Ephedra/Ephedrine but very close when it comes to perspiration. After getting home I still didn't feel any increase in energy but I do see the fat burning abilities this product could have if used in a cutting cycle. I noticed no crash nor any headaches from Venom but then again I didn't notice too much in the energy department so far. We'll see if that changes in the next few days.

10-24-2005, 03:23 AM	#8
Sixpack Optimum Sponsored athlete Join Date: May 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 867 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 15	Thanks big man for the update . I am very interested in this __________________ ["Tough Times Don't Last But Tough People Do" My Pops RIP http://www.optimumnutrition.com/ "Fueling your desire for success" www.rippedacadamy.com Mod-massmonsterz.com ISSA certified

10-24-2005, 08:47 PM	#9
~~Hacking is a Felony~~ I destroy property Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,105 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Day 2 Dosage: 1 cap @ approx 10:00AM Thoughts: I hit the gym about an hour after I took Venom and felt a little more alertness but not a whole lot of energy. I felt my body temperature rise again plus we just moved into a new building here at work and the new gym we have felt a little stuffy. I had a great shoulder and traps workout and Venom had me sweating. The perspiration was increased compared to yesterday's workout. Again not a whole of energy but I did feel some alertness. Also to note, I haven't noticed any changes in focus with Venom.

10-22-2005, 11:57 PM	#2
dtrain13 Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 220 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this product as I am considering picking some up.

10-25-2005, 09:10 PM	#12
~~Hacking is a Felony~~ I destroy property Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,105 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Day 3 Dosage: 2 caps @ approx 9:30AM Thoughts: I hit the gym about 30 minutes after taking 2 caps of Venom. I was ready for a boost of energy to kick in since I took 2 caps, but I was sadly disappointed. I noticed no more energy than taking just the one cap the last 2 days. One thing I've noticed is that there is some appetite supression. It's nowhere near the point where I have to force myself to eat, but I am not feeling as hungry as usual .. I'm just find myself remembering that I have to eat. No headaches or sides to report.

10-26-2005, 08:10 PM	#13
~~Hacking is a Felony~~ I destroy property Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,105 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Day 4 - Final Dosage Dosage: 2 caps @ approx 9:00AM Thoughts: I took the last 2 caps I had of Venom about an hour prior to my workout. Once again I felt no major increase in energy above the norm. Perspiration did not increase today. I am noticing the appetite supression but that's about it. Overall Thoughts: Well, I am very surprised that Venom didn't live up to my expectations. I have used other stimulants that are more cost effective and provide way more energy than Venom did for me. It may work better for others but for some reason it did nothing for me besides surpress my appetite. If you can get a sample go ahead and give it a try .. like I said it may effect you different. Thanks once again to Yancey over at Island for hooking me up with the free sample.

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