PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! - Page 78

JJ_Sungirl · 05-12-2007, 07:06 AM

So, basically...the long and the short of it...Ice the area where the pain is. Take up to 3 weeks off of upper body training to avoid spinal loading and further damage to the injured area. Train your lower body doing the body weight exercises you did in previous post. Train your body aerobically (doing cardio).

When you are healed up, gradually reintroduce weight, but not as heavy as what caused your injury in the first place. Reduce your load and continue to lift with good form as long as there is no pain. Hope this helps

pammiejoe6 · 05-12-2007, 05:48 PM

thanks JJ!!!!!

pammiejoe6 · 05-12-2007, 11:08 PM

man i just got home from the camphouse and i am TIRED! i finished up all the painting and then cleaned the sides of the pool....what a workout that was! by the time i was done i was soaking in sweat! i used the really long brush to clean the sides of the pool.....water resistance is an awesome workout! i am aching but not too bad....i might throw in some cardio a little later tonight when it cools down...its seriously hot!

pammiejoe6 · 05-14-2007, 02:33 PM

whew well lets see...it seems like its been forever!

saturday night hubby and i got into a fight...blech....i hate that! but it turned into something else eventually so i was happy! we just layed around yesterday being lazy....the kids gave me homemade cards and stuff like that....then we ordered chinese food for dinner and picked that up in time for survivor finale....it was one of the lamest surviovors in history IMO though....lol...but it was fun anyway...

eating yesterday wasnt too bad even though i did eat chinese food.....i was pleased however because i actually stopped when i was full and put it away! usually i eat everything on my plate even if i am already full...its instilled in me! hahah...but im working on making my portions smaller and not always feeling like i have to clean my plate....

i am ready to start lifting again...ill just start light and watch myself very carefully....i cant go this long without it....i need it!

ok time to go look around!

JJ_Sungirl · 05-14-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pammiejoe6

eating yesterday wasnt too bad even though i did eat chinese food.....i was pleased however because i actually stopped when i was full and put it away! usually i eat everything on my plate even if i am already full...its instilled in me! hahah...but im working on making my portions smaller and not always feeling like i have to clean my plate....

i am ready to start lifting again...ill just start light and watch myself very carefully....i cant go this long without it....i need it!

ok time to go look around!

You go Pammiedoll! WOOT! I know what you mean. I was taught the same thing...clean your plate or you can't leave the dinner table. Children have no concept of portion control. Parents can be so unfair...This was one of the causes of my being overweight for so many years (thanks mom)

But, at least now I have it under control. So do you! Way to go!
Take it easy on the lifting, babe. Rule of thumb: If it hurts don't do it.

Let me know how it goes.

pammiejoe6 · 05-14-2007, 11:46 PM

well as much as i miss lifting i was aching pretty good after i cleaned out the neighbors pool again so i did my lower body workout excluding weights and i feel GREAT! maybe tomorrow i will do a very very light workout upper body with weights.....we will see....i just want to be very careful but get back to lifting as soon as possible!

heres what i did: (no weight)

ATF squats: 5x15
lunges: 5x5
kickbacks: 3x20
leg lifts: 3x20
inner leg lifts: 3x20
calf raises: 3x20

the squats went really well today....they were challenging as hell without weight believe it or not....lol....i was happy with the pump and burn i got!
lunges were next.....lunges are the most horrible things ever.....haha....i hate hate hate hate them! i HAVE been doing 3x8 but i decided to switch things up today and fool myself into thinking i wasnt doing as many by doing 5 sets of 5 instead of 3 sets of 8....lol....in actuality i did 25 instead of 24...heh...did i mention that lunges suck? i made it through though and my glutes already hurt!!
hammie kickbacks were next....the first set of 20 (with each leg) went fine but the 2nd and third sets were challenging! i had to really push through that last set on both legs! killer!
leg lifts were almost just like the kickbacks....first set was fine and then the last 2 sets were HARD! i had to talk myself through these bigtime!
inner leg lifts felt fantastic......boy was i glad! hahaha! by now my legs were feeling like noodles!
calf raises went well....my calves really got a burn in them by the second set!!

yay!!! i feel so glad to have gotten in SOMETHING!

Dex · 05-15-2007, 03:00 AM

Nice job Pammie!
Simple and effective workout...it's a keeper.

pammiejoe6 · 05-15-2007, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dex

Nice job Pammie!
Simple and effective workout...it's a keeper.

thanks dexy and so great to see you hun! why arent you keeping up with your journal?

pammiejoe6 · 05-15-2007, 02:25 PM

something scarey just happened to me....i took the kids to school like i always do....sammy the moose dog came with like he always does....he loves riding in the suburban and usually he will have his feet on the back seat and his body over the front seat with his head out of the DRIVERS SIDE window! silly dog likes the seatbelt across his body i guess....lol....hubby says it looks so funny when i am driving down the road with this huge dog riding next to me! but anyhooo....the crazy mutt also bounces around going from open window to the next while we are driving....could practically take an eye out with that waggy tail!

....when we pass horses or cows we say "look sammy, horsies....." or "look sammy, cows!!" and he will bound over to that window and hang his body out to stare at them and sniff the air......WELL this morning he decided to JUMP OUT OF THE SUBURBAN AS I WAS DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD! OMG! luckily we were still on school property.....we drive past this field that has horses in it on the way out and like always i said "look sammy, horsies!" he didnt even blink before he just jumped straight out the back window and started running to go play with the horsies! i was FREAKED! i was so worried that he had gotten hurt cuz it was a pretty high jump out and down and we were going about 25 miles an hour....but he was fine.....then i was MAD at him....i screamed at him to get back here and he stopped immediately and put his ears down and came back....i had the backdoor open for him and he got right in and i smacked him on the nose and screamed at him.....lol.....he lowered his eyes and head and slinked back to hide from me in the back...he knew i was mad! DIPWAD! UGH! so now i guess i need to think about rolling the windows up a little so his body wont fit out all the way.....sheesh my sammy thinks he is a horsie!

whew....im so glad the moosie is ok.....i have already forgiven him and loved on him and checked him for any ouchies...he seems fine and is very grateful to be forgiven....lol

so lets see.....what am i doing today....i know im going to my neighbors but im not exactly sure what i will do there.....she is going out of town this weekend so i will be getting the vehicle detailed out for them and all that....prooly make a walmart run....prolly back out to the pool.....we will see....

as long as everything goes as planned i will do a light weight upper body workout this afternoon....

hugs and have a great day all!

JJ_Sungirl · 05-15-2007, 08:33 PM

Pammie,

Glad to hear Sammy survived the jump out the window to see the horsies

i would be so upset if my Hugo decided to take a flying leap while the car was moving! LoL

Take it easy on the upper body workout. Listen to your body, hun

Have a good one!

GameDayDog · 05-15-2007, 11:37 PM

Hahaha... I'm glad your dog is fyne too... That sounds lyke one of my adventures!!! ... If it had been my dogs, I'm pretty sure they would've just met me at the house whenever they finished playin' ..

... Keep remynding me that lunges are evil... that'll keep them outta my routine..

Peace..~G

DarkFalcon · 05-16-2007, 08:52 AM

lol..damn crazy dog is lucky he didn't break anything.

pammiejoe6 · 05-16-2007, 02:14 PM

LOL yall yeah he's a crazy dog aiight.....we have an old truck in the backyard that he likes to jump on....lol....he can jump from the ground all the way up to the roof of the truck in one leap! hes amazing! its funny to watch him chase the squirrels in the backyard....he would leap up into the trees if he could!!

well i never got a workout in yesterday....i worked later than i expected for the neighbor and once i was done cleaning house and cooking dinner i just totally woosied out and decided to rest. im not too worried about it honestly....i know today i will get a workout in!

this morning i am taking my son to court for his truancy ticket....and even though i did NOT contribute to his truancy i also got a ticket in the mail.....i am hoping they drop my ticket at least.....$250 per ticket is a LOT OF MONEY! im just hoping it all goes smoothly....

i should go get dressed and all that! ill be back later! hugs!

pammiejoe6 · 05-16-2007, 05:21 PM

well i am back and VERY relieved! the court listened to the whole story and the judge dropped BOTH tickets! YAY! we do have to pay the $60 court costs but theres no getting around that.....my son will pay for that out of his own pocket! i am just so so so so soooooooo relieved that we didnt have to pay the $250 for each ticket!! there were so many kids in there who regularly skip school...it was sad....one mom got up with her 3 kids and was so rude to the judge i couldnt believe it! she said she cant watch her kids every waking moment and that if they dont get themselves to school its not her fault....hmph....the judge said she could mandate that that mom go to school WITH her kids if she wanted to...haha....and the mom was still so rude and said "well i wont pay no matter what"....the judge said " well if you dont pay youre going to jail...."then the judge fined EACH kid $200 AND the mom another $200 making their fine $800!!! holy crap! i think ill take the $60 fine and RUN!!!

my daughter has decided that for her 12th birthday (5/31) she would like to invite 4 of her friends to go to the hotel and have a swim/slumber party....order pizza....swim in the pool and sit in the jacuzzi etc....i looked up the points i have been saving for that particular hotel and i have enough to pay for one room! so i made reservations for a suite that connects to a regular room....this way itll be like we have one huge room but the girls will still feel like they have their own room as well....it outta be FUN! hopefully whoever she invites will be allowed to go....its not very far from here....we will see....im just excited that we will have the one room for free!! hehehe!!

ok time to get to work!!

pammiejoe6 · 05-17-2007, 03:10 PM

well crap i hate to come in here and admit it when i screw myself over....lol....but i did so i hafta....

i didnt workout last night AND i had a few drinks and ate a few more carbs than i should have.....mainly fett alfredo w/ shrimp and chicken and then cheesecake afterwards! ACK!

there i said it....now its over.....

on to today!

i am only working for the neighbor for 2 hours today so i plan to get back here and do my lifting workout....i am really ready to get it going! i will work my back with VERY light weight today....chest too....

my dd went on her band field trip today....theyre going to the park and then to the skating rink....that outta be fun...i took her last night and let her buy a new shirt and new pair of capris....she looked really cute this morning! she was also really excited because she went down a size in pants just by going out back every night and playing with the dog! yay!

everyone is getting really excited that school is almost over for the summer...but just yesterday my dd said she didnt really WANT school to be over....hahha.....and then this morning my youngest son said "mommy i love school AND i hate school" hahahaa! goofball! i know when i was in school i LOVED it but i also LOVED summer! hopefully we will get some things accomplished this summer.....i want to have a few outings with the kids for sure....like mini field trips...go to the movies a few times...the zoo....library for sure...who knows what else! i do know that i want to keep my youngest reading....last summer i slacked off on him and he started out pretty slow this year....he is all caught up now thank gawd so i dont want him to relapse just because he doesnt read all summer!

oh speaking of reading.....i bought my dd the 2nd and 3rd books in the A Wrinkle in Time series....wait i dont think thats what the series is called but that was the first book....anywayyyyy she was really excited and is almost through with the second book and getting excited about the 3rd! i gotta go get the 4th and 5th books to give to her on her birthday on the 31st! im so proud of my girl....she loves to read and do well in school....she's been a delight so far all 12 years she has been alive! makes me wonder when the tornado will hit....hahahaaaaaaaa!

im hungry and there is leftover fett alfredo in the fridge...yikes! hahah! thank gawd all the cheesecake is gone! i think ill go try to find something low carb to eat and pass on the pasta though.....i have to get right back on track today or there will be a landslide....

hugs!

05-12-2007, 07:06 AM	#2311
JJ_Sungirl Pink Members Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 1,421 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 27	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! So, basically...the long and the short of it...Ice the area where the pain is. Take up to 3 weeks off of upper body training to avoid spinal loading and further damage to the injured area. Train your lower body doing the body weight exercises you did in previous post. Train your body aerobically (doing cardio). When you are healed up, gradually reintroduce weight, but not as heavy as what caused your injury in the first place. Reduce your load and continue to lift with good form as long as there is no pain. Hope this helps

05-12-2007, 05:48 PM	#2312
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,178 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! thanks JJ!!!!!

05-12-2007, 11:08 PM	#2313
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,178 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! man i just got home from the camphouse and i am TIRED! i finished up all the painting and then cleaned the sides of the pool....what a workout that was! by the time i was done i was soaking in sweat! i used the really long brush to clean the sides of the pool.....water resistance is an awesome workout! i am aching but not too bad....i might throw in some cardio a little later tonight when it cools down...its seriously hot!

05-14-2007, 02:33 PM	#2314
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,178 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! whew well lets see...it seems like its been forever! saturday night hubby and i got into a fight...blech....i hate that! but it turned into something else eventually so i was happy! we just layed around yesterday being lazy....the kids gave me homemade cards and stuff like that....then we ordered chinese food for dinner and picked that up in time for survivor finale....it was one of the lamest surviovors in history IMO though....lol...but it was fun anyway... eating yesterday wasnt too bad even though i did eat chinese food.....i was pleased however because i actually stopped when i was full and put it away! usually i eat everything on my plate even if i am already full...its instilled in me! hahah...but im working on making my portions smaller and not always feeling like i have to clean my plate.... i am ready to start lifting again...ill just start light and watch myself very carefully....i cant go this long without it....i need it! ok time to go look around!

05-14-2007, 11:46 PM	#2316
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,178 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! well as much as i miss lifting i was aching pretty good after i cleaned out the neighbors pool again so i did my lower body workout excluding weights and i feel GREAT! maybe tomorrow i will do a very very light workout upper body with weights.....we will see....i just want to be very careful but get back to lifting as soon as possible! heres what i did: (no weight) ATF squats: 5x15 lunges: 5x5 kickbacks: 3x20 leg lifts: 3x20 inner leg lifts: 3x20 calf raises: 3x20 the squats went really well today....they were challenging as hell without weight believe it or not....lol....i was happy with the pump and burn i got! lunges were next.....lunges are the most horrible things ever.....haha....i hate hate hate hate them! i HAVE been doing 3x8 but i decided to switch things up today and fool myself into thinking i wasnt doing as many by doing 5 sets of 5 instead of 3 sets of 8....lol....in actuality i did 25 instead of 24...heh...did i mention that lunges suck? i made it through though and my glutes already hurt!! hammie kickbacks were next....the first set of 20 (with each leg) went fine but the 2nd and third sets were challenging! i had to really push through that last set on both legs! killer! leg lifts were almost just like the kickbacks....first set was fine and then the last 2 sets were HARD! i had to talk myself through these bigtime! inner leg lifts felt fantastic......boy was i glad! hahaha! by now my legs were feeling like noodles! calf raises went well....my calves really got a burn in them by the second set!! yay!!! i feel so glad to have gotten in SOMETHING!

05-15-2007, 03:00 AM	#2317
Dex Pro Stature Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 299 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 8	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! Nice job Pammie! Simple and effective workout...it's a keeper.

05-15-2007, 02:25 PM	#2319
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,178 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! something scarey just happened to me....i took the kids to school like i always do....sammy the moose dog came with like he always does....he loves riding in the suburban and usually he will have his feet on the back seat and his body over the front seat with his head out of the DRIVERS SIDE window! silly dog likes the seatbelt across his body i guess....lol....hubby says it looks so funny when i am driving down the road with this huge dog riding next to me! but anyhooo....the crazy mutt also bounces around going from open window to the next while we are driving....could practically take an eye out with that waggy tail! ....when we pass horses or cows we say "look sammy, horsies....." or "look sammy, cows!!" and he will bound over to that window and hang his body out to stare at them and sniff the air......WELL this morning he decided to JUMP OUT OF THE SUBURBAN AS I WAS DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD! OMG! luckily we were still on school property.....we drive past this field that has horses in it on the way out and like always i said "look sammy, horsies!" he didnt even blink before he just jumped straight out the back window and started running to go play with the horsies! i was FREAKED! i was so worried that he had gotten hurt cuz it was a pretty high jump out and down and we were going about 25 miles an hour....but he was fine.....then i was MAD at him....i screamed at him to get back here and he stopped immediately and put his ears down and came back....i had the backdoor open for him and he got right in and i smacked him on the nose and screamed at him.....lol.....he lowered his eyes and head and slinked back to hide from me in the back...he knew i was mad! DIPWAD! UGH! so now i guess i need to think about rolling the windows up a little so his body wont fit out all the way.....sheesh my sammy thinks he is a horsie! whew....im so glad the moosie is ok.....i have already forgiven him and loved on him and checked him for any ouchies...he seems fine and is very grateful to be forgiven....lol so lets see.....what am i doing today....i know im going to my neighbors but im not exactly sure what i will do there.....she is going out of town this weekend so i will be getting the vehicle detailed out for them and all that....prooly make a walmart run....prolly back out to the pool.....we will see.... as long as everything goes as planned i will do a light weight upper body workout this afternoon.... hugs and have a great day all!

05-15-2007, 08:33 PM	#2320
JJ_Sungirl Pink Members Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 1,421 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 27	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! Pammie, Glad to hear Sammy survived the jump out the window to see the horsies i would be so upset if my Hugo decided to take a flying leap while the car was moving! LoL Take it easy on the upper body workout. Listen to your body, hun Have a good one!

05-15-2007, 11:37 PM	#2321
GameDayDog The Dawg Is Back!! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Doin Compound Movements 4 Scooby Snacks! Posts: 1,915 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 32	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! Hahaha... I'm glad your dog is fyne too... That sounds lyke one of my adventures!!! ... If it had been my dogs, I'm pretty sure they would've just met me at the house whenever they finished playin' .. ... Keep remynding me that lunges are evil... that'll keep them outta my routine.. Peace..~G __________________ I am Thee Alpha.. RaSP is Thee oMEGA.. Between the 2 of us - We have everythyng covered... I want to be bigger than all the humans!! "I'm sure I should be doing cardio too....but I don't run from anything...so why practice?" - 1stInDoor Goal - 200#'s 5/27/07 - 4/27/07 - 175# 3/27/07 - 167#

05-16-2007, 08:52 AM	#2322
DarkFalcon I've got a RAGING clue! Join Date: May 2005 Location: dnyc99's cleaning staff Posts: 11,511 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 299	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! lol..damn crazy dog is lucky he didn't break anything.

05-16-2007, 02:14 PM	#2323
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,178 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! LOL yall yeah he's a crazy dog aiight.....we have an old truck in the backyard that he likes to jump on....lol....he can jump from the ground all the way up to the roof of the truck in one leap! hes amazing! its funny to watch him chase the squirrels in the backyard....he would leap up into the trees if he could!! well i never got a workout in yesterday....i worked later than i expected for the neighbor and once i was done cleaning house and cooking dinner i just totally woosied out and decided to rest. im not too worried about it honestly....i know today i will get a workout in! this morning i am taking my son to court for his truancy ticket....and even though i did NOT contribute to his truancy i also got a ticket in the mail.....i am hoping they drop my ticket at least.....$250 per ticket is a LOT OF MONEY! im just hoping it all goes smoothly.... i should go get dressed and all that! ill be back later! hugs!

05-16-2007, 05:21 PM	#2324
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,178 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! well i am back and VERY relieved! the court listened to the whole story and the judge dropped BOTH tickets! YAY! we do have to pay the $60 court costs but theres no getting around that.....my son will pay for that out of his own pocket! i am just so so so so soooooooo relieved that we didnt have to pay the $250 for each ticket!! there were so many kids in there who regularly skip school...it was sad....one mom got up with her 3 kids and was so rude to the judge i couldnt believe it! she said she cant watch her kids every waking moment and that if they dont get themselves to school its not her fault....hmph....the judge said she could mandate that that mom go to school WITH her kids if she wanted to...haha....and the mom was still so rude and said "well i wont pay no matter what"....the judge said " well if you dont pay youre going to jail...."then the judge fined EACH kid $200 AND the mom another $200 making their fine $800!!! holy crap! i think ill take the $60 fine and RUN!!! my daughter has decided that for her 12th birthday (5/31) she would like to invite 4 of her friends to go to the hotel and have a swim/slumber party....order pizza....swim in the pool and sit in the jacuzzi etc....i looked up the points i have been saving for that particular hotel and i have enough to pay for one room! so i made reservations for a suite that connects to a regular room....this way itll be like we have one huge room but the girls will still feel like they have their own room as well....it outta be FUN! hopefully whoever she invites will be allowed to go....its not very far from here....we will see....im just excited that we will have the one room for free!! hehehe!! ok time to get to work!!

05-17-2007, 03:10 PM	#2325
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,178 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85	Re: PammieJoe's - Women Can Lift Heavy Too! - Journal! well crap i hate to come in here and admit it when i screw myself over....lol....but i did so i hafta.... i didnt workout last night AND i had a few drinks and ate a few more carbs than i should have.....mainly fett alfredo w/ shrimp and chicken and then cheesecake afterwards! ACK! there i said it....now its over..... on to today! i am only working for the neighbor for 2 hours today so i plan to get back here and do my lifting workout....i am really ready to get it going! i will work my back with VERY light weight today....chest too.... my dd went on her band field trip today....theyre going to the park and then to the skating rink....that outta be fun...i took her last night and let her buy a new shirt and new pair of capris....she looked really cute this morning! she was also really excited because she went down a size in pants just by going out back every night and playing with the dog! yay! everyone is getting really excited that school is almost over for the summer...but just yesterday my dd said she didnt really WANT school to be over....hahha.....and then this morning my youngest son said "mommy i love school AND i hate school" hahahaa! goofball! i know when i was in school i LOVED it but i also LOVED summer! hopefully we will get some things accomplished this summer.....i want to have a few outings with the kids for sure....like mini field trips...go to the movies a few times...the zoo....library for sure...who knows what else! i do know that i want to keep my youngest reading....last summer i slacked off on him and he started out pretty slow this year....he is all caught up now thank gawd so i dont want him to relapse just because he doesnt read all summer! oh speaking of reading.....i bought my dd the 2nd and 3rd books in the A Wrinkle in Time series....wait i dont think thats what the series is called but that was the first book....anywayyyyy she was really excited and is almost through with the second book and getting excited about the 3rd! i gotta go get the 4th and 5th books to give to her on her birthday on the 31st! im so proud of my girl....she loves to read and do well in school....she's been a delight so far all 12 years she has been alive! makes me wonder when the tornado will hit....hahahaaaaaaaa! im hungry and there is leftover fett alfredo in the fridge...yikes! hahah! thank gawd all the cheesecake is gone! i think ill go try to find something low carb to eat and pass on the pasta though.....i have to get right back on track today or there will be a landslide.... hugs!

05-17-2007, 08:20 PM	#2326
pammiejoe6 Pink Members Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south texas Posts: 4,178 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 85