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modano9 · 09-07-2006, 11:39 PM

Alot of these threads look old, do any of you use DC?

**DJSTARER** · 09-08-2006, 01:35 AM

Almost no one is trained by Dante or Inhuman, some follow what they know to be the truth, but most just apply some of the useful principles to their own routines and diet.

modano9 · 09-08-2006, 02:17 AM

I am in my 8th week and having some success-stuctured my routine around what I've read on the internet. Really like the intensity level thanks to RP.

**DJSTARER** · 09-08-2006, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by modano9

I am in my 8th week and having some success-stuctured my routine around what I've read on the internet. Really like the intensity level thanks to RP.

It depends how you define intensity.

There are two uses in the sport:

Intensity: an attitude, mindset or attribute given to an exercise similar to focus, agressivness and effort.

Intensity (as it should be defined when talking about training): Referrering to a sceme of training based on fewer reps per set and an equal to or greater number of sets. Antonym: Volume.

barzel · 09-08-2006, 08:26 AM

I´m training, what i hope is DC. RP sets. super strech and so on. fell free to chek my log, and pleas coment if you spot som erros.
my DC log

grammo13 · 09-08-2006, 12:49 PM

The DC diet is just as important as the workout if not more important so if your not following DC diet guidelines you need to research

**DJSTARER** · 09-08-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by grammo13

The DC diet is just as important as the workout if not more important so if your not following DC diet guidelines you need to research

this is just as true to any training method. Dante's diet is not much different than any mass gaining diet. The only difference is the slightly higher caloric intake, carb cuts, and natural thermogenics. Ever diet should include 2XBW protein.

barzel · 09-08-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

this is just as true to any training method. Dante's diet is not much different than any mass gaining diet. The only difference is the slightly higher caloric intake, carb cuts, and natural thermogenics. Ever diet should include 2XBW protein.

HMMM the 2xBW protein. is that pr. day ore year course ther is no way i cane eat 423LBS protein a day. LOL

have any of you guys ever tested your urine when you are on those masive protein intake. i have a suspision that you pisses alot of it out again as nitrated.

**DJSTARER** · 09-09-2006, 12:20 AM

423/8= 52.

52 grams per meals.

52gX4kcal/g=208.

Personally, I don't eat 208 kcals worth of protein at each meal. I aim for 160-180. I think many bigger guys, who's caloric intake exceeds 3500 or 4000 daily can EASY eat that much protein every couple hours. I eat more that 60 grams of protein right before bed, and nearly that when I wake up.

To answer your question, most people who are serious will eat nearly that much (some even more). I HAVE had my urine and blood tested with no adverse effects. The key is staying very hydrated. All the protein puts stress on the kidneys, and the only way to minimize it is to drink I ton. Hence 1 of the many important reasons to drink water.

barzel · 09-09-2006, 01:53 PM

thats 2 grams pr. lbs and not 2xbw. :P lol.

I meant to ask don't you washe a lot of the protein away in the urin. it sounds like a lot for the body to process.

I dont know if ther have been any studies on this.

I read a lot of plases that to get good gains, you have to eat 2g-4g protein pr. lbs of BW a day.

i mean how much protin dos i take to build. as far as i know the maximum muscle gain a week is 1lbs.

so if i follow the 4g pr. lbs of BW. i will use 2688g or nearly 6 lbs of protin to build 1lbs of muscle

is that realy nesesary.??????

P.S hope you cane read this im danish so english is my second lang.

**DJSTARER** · 09-09-2006, 03:55 PM

i'm sorry man, I'm not familiar with "pr."

barzel · 09-10-2006, 02:06 AM

hmmm i mean 2g of protein for 1lbs of BW in my case 211lbs of BW = 422g of protein a day.

in 7 days 7*422 = 2954g of protein or close to 6,5 lbs of protein to gain 1lbs of muscle.

if im right. that the maximum gain you cane get is 1lbs of muscle a week.

it sounds like a lot of protein to me. but hey I'm not an expert

modano9 · 09-10-2006, 03:21 AM

Ok barzel, we need to make sure our bodies have enough protein (and other nutrients) available so we don't use up what muscle we have for energy-also when muscles are ready to uptake protein to repair and build new tissue we need an abundant supply onhand. If we knew exactly when that was going to happen, we wouldn't have to choke down chicken breast, meal replacments, dry stinking turkey and stuff. So yea for massing 2grams per
1 lb of body weight is important, but you still have to be taking in enough calories, fat and carbs to support growth.

**DJSTARER** · 09-10-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by barzel

hmmm i mean 2g of protein for 1lbs of BW in my case 211lbs of BW = 422g of protein a day.

in 7 days 7*422 = 2954g of protein or close to 6,5 lbs of protein to gain 1lbs of muscle.

if im right. that the maximum gain you cane get is 1lbs of muscle a week.

it sounds like a lot of protein to me. but hey I'm not an expert

we need protein for more than gaining muscle. Our skelital tissue, organs AND muscles are always turning themselves over during daily processes.

I'll agree with you on this: protein is highly over emphasized. With a well timed diet and good training, a person can easily gain mass eating 180 grams of protein/day.

**Peaked_18** · 09-10-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

Almost no one is trained by Dante or Inhuman, some follow what they know to be the truth, but most just apply some of the useful principles to their own routines and diet.

A lot of people are trained by him, their just really elite athletes.

grammo13 · 09-10-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

A lot of people are trained by him, their just really elite athletes.

Exactly, tons of people are trained by him

**DJSTARER** · 09-11-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

A lot of people are trained by him, their just really elite athletes.

semantics...

the majority of those who practice DC are not.

JornT · 09-13-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by barzel

if im right. that the maximum gain you cane get is 1lbs of muscle a week.

It depends. Someone who is 6'4 can probably produce more muscle tissue in a week than someone who is 5'5.

malek256 · 09-19-2006, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DJSTARER

we need protein for more than gaining muscle. Our skelital tissue, organs AND muscles are always turning themselves over during daily processes.

I'll agree with you on this: protein is highly over emphasized. With a well timed diet and good training, a person can easily gain mass eating 180 grams of protein/day.

I totally agree - the most basic rule I pass out to people looking for 'what actually works' is to stick with 200g of protein for muscle building, keep the fats healthy and crank the rest up in real food carbs. I've seen bewildered guys cranking protein shakes and dropping mass - and after getting them to swap some of those shakes out for spuds 'n oats with no other changes they've gone from dropping weight to adding muscle.

200's not a magic number but it's good enough so people stop futzin around with trying to be precise with diet and focus where they should - on damn hard lifts!

It's amazing how people keep screwing around with minutiae instead of just LIFTING THE DAMN WEIGHT and getting enough rest!

Bodybuildjoe2 · 09-22-2006, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by malek256

I totally agree - the most basic rule I pass out to people looking for 'what actually works' is to stick with 200g of protein for muscle building, keep the fats healthy and crank the rest up in real food carbs. I've seen bewildered guys cranking protein shakes and dropping mass - and after getting them to swap some of those shakes out for spuds 'n oats with no other changes they've gone from dropping weight to adding muscl

09-07-2006, 11:39 PM	#1
modano9 New Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 15 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Dogg Crapp Alot of these threads look old, do any of you use DC? __________________ ............................................ ....................................... ... REAL MEN LIFT, PLAY HOCKEY, EAT, FART, AND SLEEP.

09-08-2006, 01:35 AM	#2
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,979 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	Almost no one is trained by Dante or Inhuman, some follow what they know to be the truth, but most just apply some of the useful principles to their own routines and diet. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

09-08-2006, 02:17 AM	#3
modano9 New Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 15 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	I am in my 8th week and having some success-stuctured my routine around what I've read on the internet. Really like the intensity level thanks to RP. __________________ ............................................ ....................................... ... REAL MEN LIFT, PLAY HOCKEY, EAT, FART, AND SLEEP.

09-09-2006, 12:20 AM	#9
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,979 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	423/8= 52. 52 grams per meals. 52gX4kcal/g=208. Personally, I don't eat 208 kcals worth of protein at each meal. I aim for 160-180. I think many bigger guys, who's caloric intake exceeds 3500 or 4000 daily can EASY eat that much protein every couple hours. I eat more that 60 grams of protein right before bed, and nearly that when I wake up. To answer your question, most people who are serious will eat nearly that much (some even more). I HAVE had my urine and blood tested with no adverse effects. The key is staying very hydrated. All the protein puts stress on the kidneys, and the only way to minimize it is to drink I ton. Hence 1 of the many important reasons to drink water. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

09-09-2006, 03:55 PM	#11
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,979 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 113	i'm sorry man, I'm not familiar with "pr." __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

09-08-2006, 08:26 AM	#5
barzel Amateur Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 81 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 3	I´m training, what i hope is DC. RP sets. super strech and so on. fell free to chek my log, and pleas coment if you spot som erros. my DC log

09-08-2006, 12:49 PM	#6
grammo13 Amateur Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 90 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 3	The DC diet is just as important as the workout if not more important so if your not following DC diet guidelines you need to research

09-09-2006, 01:53 PM	#10
barzel Amateur Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 81 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 3	thats 2 grams pr. lbs and not 2xbw. :P lol. I meant to ask don't you washe a lot of the protein away in the urin. it sounds like a lot for the body to process. I dont know if ther have been any studies on this. I read a lot of plases that to get good gains, you have to eat 2g-4g protein pr. lbs of BW a day. i mean how much protin dos i take to build. as far as i know the maximum muscle gain a week is 1lbs. so if i follow the 4g pr. lbs of BW. i will use 2688g or nearly 6 lbs of protin to build 1lbs of muscle is that realy nesesary.?????? P.S hope you cane read this im danish so english is my second lang.

09-10-2006, 02:06 AM	#12
barzel Amateur Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 81 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 3	hmmm i mean 2g of protein for 1lbs of BW in my case 211lbs of BW = 422g of protein a day. in 7 days 7*422 = 2954g of protein or close to 6,5 lbs of protein to gain 1lbs of muscle. if im right. that the maximum gain you cane get is 1lbs of muscle a week. it sounds like a lot of protein to me. but hey I'm not an expert

09-10-2006, 03:21 AM	#13
modano9 New Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 15 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Ok barzel, we need to make sure our bodies have enough protein (and other nutrients) available so we don't use up what muscle we have for energy-also when muscles are ready to uptake protein to repair and build new tissue we need an abundant supply onhand. If we knew exactly when that was going to happen, we wouldn't have to choke down chicken breast, meal replacments, dry stinking turkey and stuff. So yea for massing 2grams per 1 lb of body weight is important, but you still have to be taking in enough calories, fat and carbs to support growth. __________________ ............................................ ....................................... ... REAL MEN LIFT, PLAY HOCKEY, EAT, FART, AND SLEEP.