The O wasn't as close as everyone thinks...

**Trick D** · 10-19-2005, 06:28 PM

Here is actually the scoring results. As you can see some people definitely did better at the night show than the prejudging. Gustavo jumped Gunter at the night show. Gunter at the time was 3rd place after prejudging.

Apparently the judges didn't think the Jay Ronnie comparrison was close. In 2001 when Jay and Ronnie went at it, Ronnie only won by a few points, this year he won by 16.

2005 Mr. Olympia Results
Place Name Country 1 2 3 4 Points
1 Ronnie Coleman USA 7 5 5 5 22
2 Jay Cutler USA 8 10 10 10 38
3 Gustavo Badell Puerto Rico 21 19 16 15 71
4 Gunter Schlierkamp Germany 20 16 19 20 75
5 Victor Martinez Dominican Republic 22 25 26 25 98
6 Dannis James Germany 31 32 37 100
7 Melvin Anthony USA 31 40 31 102
8 Branch Warren USA 46 35 40 121
9 Darrem Charles Trinidad 40 50 46 136
10 Mustafa Mohammad Jordan 57 50 48 155
11 Johnnie Jackson USA 59 51 52 162
12 George Farah USA 60 61 61 182
13 Chris Cormier USA 51 73 67 191
14 David Henry USA 71 64 66 201
15 Markus Ruhl Germany 69 75 68 212
16 Kris Dim

AYung · 10-19-2005, 09:37 PM

I was kinda upset at Dim's placing.

**NNTB** · 10-19-2005, 10:24 PM

So FlexOnline lied about jay winning the prejudging... thats ****ed up...

**EME** · 10-19-2005, 10:49 PM

The Symmetry round was very close.. as close as you can possibly get actually... with a score of 7 - 8 , all the rest of the rounds had Ronnie 1st and Jay 2nd from all the Judges.

- EME

**Trick D** · 10-19-2005, 10:50 PM

Yeah and I both Ayung. I was really hyped about him, and thought that he could possibly do some damage since Lee wasn't competing. Hopefully next year we will have Dim, Ruhl, Federov, and Ronnie Rockel do some smaller shows next year. To see them do well.

**EME** · 10-19-2005, 10:56 PM

Also remember that the third round is the posing round.. and very little usually changes there.... a few people may move around if the their posing routines are really good or bad... but generally this round is scored about the same as the first or second round.. especially for the top guys.

Finally, the 4th round is the final mandatory comparisons between only the top 5 guys.... It's extremely rare that anything will change in this round.

So, if you really want to look at how close the judges thought their physiques were... concentrate on rounds 1 and 2... 3 and 4 are USUALLY carbon copies of rounds 1 and 2.

- EME

**Trick D** · 10-19-2005, 11:06 PM

Yeah i meant to say that too, but I didn't. I have heard from many people that if you go to a bodybuilding show, go to the prejudging. You can tell who wins from that.

Well we got a few months til we will have something else to argue. Maybe we will argue the Nationals.

**EME** · 10-19-2005, 11:12 PM

At an NPC bodybuilding show, the judges don't even have scorecards at the night show.

The routine round isn't even judged and only the Overall is actually judged at night.

Everything is done at Pre-Judging.

There was some talk that they were going to change that slightly at the NPC Pro Qualifier shows and actually judge their conditions at the night show, but to my knowledge they aren't actually doing it.

So, you are correct... Pre-Judging will tell you everything about who wins the weight classes at an NPC show, and the IFBB shows generally are just carry overs from the same judging standards. They do mark down scores at night, but they are usually just the same scores from the morning.

By the way.. did I mention that our NPC district chairman asked me to start judging?

Next year I'll begin judging NPC shows. I have to test judge at two shows first, and then I'll be a full fledged NPC judge!

- EME

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trick D

Yeah i meant to say that too, but I didn't. I have heard from many people that if you go to a bodybuilding show, go to the prejudging. You can tell who wins from that.

Well we got a few months til we will have something else to argue. Maybe we will argue the Nationals.

**Trick D** · 10-19-2005, 11:21 PM

That is freaking awesome! What a great accomplishment. At least I get to judge the IMPC!

**NNTB** · 10-19-2005, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EME

By the way.. did I mention that our NPC district chairman asked me to start judging?
Next year I'll begin judging NPC shows. I have to test judge at two shows first, and then I'll be a full fledged NPC judge!
- EME

Congrats EME :nosthumbs

GameDayDog · 10-20-2005, 12:56 AM

Yeah that's sweet... Now I gotta make sure that u're a judge.. when I decyde to compete..

$$$$

.. *D

Peace..~G

datruodb · 10-20-2005, 07:08 PM

2 bad he will not be judging at my show next year =(

**EME** · 10-20-2005, 07:13 PM

Haha...

You guys will have to earn your placings!!!

:bow2:

- EME

10-19-2005, 09:37 PM	#2
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10-19-2005, 10:24 PM	#3
NNTB rEVOLutionary Join Date: May 2005 Location: FL Posts: 2,447 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 163	So FlexOnline lied about jay winning the prejudging... thats ****ed up... __________________ "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." Abraham Lincoln

10-19-2005, 10:49 PM	#4
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,265 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	The Symmetry round was very close.. as close as you can possibly get actually... with a score of 7 - 8 , all the rest of the rounds had Ronnie 1st and Jay 2nd from all the Judges. - EME __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.MichaelandKendra.com Team Molecular Nutrition Creative Director FAME Media Group / World Natural Sports Organization Editor-In-Chief FAME Magazine www.FAMEWorldTour.com

10-19-2005, 10:56 PM	#6
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,265 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	Also remember that the third round is the posing round.. and very little usually changes there.... a few people may move around if the their posing routines are really good or bad... but generally this round is scored about the same as the first or second round.. especially for the top guys. Finally, the 4th round is the final mandatory comparisons between only the top 5 guys.... It's extremely rare that anything will change in this round. So, if you really want to look at how close the judges thought their physiques were... concentrate on rounds 1 and 2... 3 and 4 are USUALLY carbon copies of rounds 1 and 2. - EME __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.MichaelandKendra.com Team Molecular Nutrition Creative Director FAME Media Group / World Natural Sports Organization Editor-In-Chief FAME Magazine www.FAMEWorldTour.com

10-20-2005, 12:56 AM	#11
GameDayDog The Dawg Is Back!! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Doin Compound Movements 4 Scooby Snacks! Posts: 1,914 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 32	Yeah that's sweet... Now I gotta make sure that u're a judge.. when I decyde to compete.. $$$$ .. *D Peace..~G __________________ I am Thee Alpha.. RaSP is Thee oMEGA.. Between the 2 of us - We have everythyng covered... I want to be bigger than all the humans!! "I'm sure I should be doing cardio too....but I don't run from anything...so why practice?" - 1stInDoor Goal - 200#'s 5/27/07 - 4/27/07 - 175# 3/27/07 - 167#

10-20-2005, 07:08 PM	#12
datruodb Pro Stature Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tulsa, Ok Posts: 326 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	2 bad he will not be judging at my show next year =( __________________ Vanilla Gorilla

10-20-2005, 07:13 PM	#13
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,265 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	Haha... You guys will have to earn your placings!!! :bow2: - EME __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.MichaelandKendra.com Team Molecular Nutrition Creative Director FAME Media Group / World Natural Sports Organization Editor-In-Chief FAME Magazine www.FAMEWorldTour.com

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