Final Results

**Trick D** · 10-16-2005, 05:02 AM

1. Ronnie Coleman
2. Jay Cutler
3. Gustavo Badell
4. Gunter Schlierkamp
5. Victor Martinez
6. Dennis James
7. Melvin Anthony
8. Branch Warren
9. Darrem Charles
10. Mustafa Mohammad

**DarkFalcon** · 10-16-2005, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trick D

1. Ronnie Coleman
2. Jay Cutler
3. Gustavo Badell
4. Gunter Schlierkamp
5. Victor Martinez
6. Dennis James
7. Melvin Anthony
8. Branch Warren
9. Darrem Charles
10. Mustafa Mohammad

Damn, I was hoping RC would finally lose. Any pics of Gustavo?

**johnsbod** · 10-16-2005, 05:07 AM

I was pulling for Jay or Günter to take down RC this year. From the pics I've seen posted it seems like RC worked on his conditioning more this year in the off-season as well, and his gut seems a bit better. I'm not sure what he did, but whatever it was it worked.

**Trick D** · 10-16-2005, 05:13 AM

My top 10....

1. Ronnie
2. Jay
3. Gustavo
4. Gunter (very close)
5. Victor
6. Darrem Charles
7. Branch Warren
8. Melvin Anthony
9. Markus Ruhl
10. Dennis James

My opinion... Dennis James had a major gut, just as he did at the Charlotte Pro show... Ruhl streamlined his gut, and was impressive in my eyes. Yes he was holding a bit of water, but Dennis in my opinion didn't look like he deserved 6th place.

I thought Darrem should have been higher than 9th... I thought he looked better than Melvin, just as I thought he did at the Arnold Classic...

Gunter was probably the best conditioned athlete in the top 5. He was ripped to the core. I had it a toss up between him and gustavo.

Jay Cutler was Jay Cutler and hinted at retirement at the end. He is devastated. I had him second, he improved a lot, but Coleman's waist was smaller than ever.

Coleman is the king. Mr. Sandow himself. Congrats on #8.

**Trick D** · 10-16-2005, 05:30 AM

Tomorrow morning I will post everthing from who won each pose in the challenge Round and the verdicts on everyone's freepose and also who got shafted and overlooked.

By the way... Here is the top 5 in the challenge round

1. Gustavo-1 2
2. Ronnie- 12
3. Jay- 10
4. Gunter- 6
5. Victor- 0

**EME** · 10-16-2005, 05:47 AM

I personally thought Jay had it all the way.

In my opinion, Jay beat Ronnie in every back pose, and his legs looked better than Ronnie's from the front. Jay had deeper seperation in his thighs, and more striation. Jay had no sign of the water retention in his back that had plagued him in past years, and his legs were dramatically improved.

Upper body from the front could have gone either way between Ronnie and Jay.

Ronnie also lost condition as the night went on, especially in his legs. His gut was also as apparent as ever, although he did do a better job of holding it in during the early rounds. Ronnies waist was trimmer than in years past, but from the side it still was bulging out many times during the evening.

One thing I noticed for the first time on Ronnie was his significant lack of tricep separation. His arms we're huge, and he had great bicep peaks.. but his tricpes were severly lacking in depth and separation. This was particularly noticeable on his side Tricep pose.

Gustavo looked surprisingly good and deserved third, much to my surprise.

Gunter looked the best he has ever looked, although he had the same problem he has always had.. he never comes dark enough. If he had been darker he might have given Gustavo a run for third. Gunters legs looked the best they have ever looked, but he is lacking in Hamstring development when compared to the others ahead of him. That and his color kept him from placing higher. He definitely brought a much improved physique to the stage this year though.

Victor has great shape and proportion but was holding too much water and was too smooth. I peronally feel there were some others who could have creeped up into the 5th place position, but his nice lines and proportions carried him over.

More to come later... off to bed now.

- EME

AYung · 10-16-2005, 07:01 AM

Glad Ronnie won. But sad that Jay lost. I ordered it and watched it over again. Damn there was a lot of technical errors!

**schroeder** · 10-16-2005, 09:50 AM

where the hell are ruhl and cromier?

Ihateeveryone · 10-16-2005, 11:50 AM

What a joke. I agree with Jay - what's the point? Jay came in better than ever, and he slaughtered Coleman. Give up on the Olympia, Mr Cutler, and keep at it with the Arnold Classic. The money is the same, and it is apparent that the Arnold Classic is fast becoming the premiere bodybuilding contest in the world.

**EME** · 10-16-2005, 04:24 PM

Here is a great pic that shows the improvements Gunter has made over the past few years.

This was definitely the most dry and conditioned that he has ever come in.
He just doesn't have the hamstrings to compete with the very top guys, otherwise he could give any of them a run for their money. Nonetheless, a very impressive physique. ( He looks a lot better since he got that nasty vein in his leg removed too! )

- EME

**Trick D** · 10-16-2005, 05:02 PM

I always made fun of Gunter because he had always been handed places. This year he was clearly the best he has ever been. He was scary. Still needed more size to move up but he was clearly the most conditioned in my eyes.

I thought Ronnie won barely, but I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder. I thought Ronnie's upper body was killer, and I thought he still had jay in back double biceps. Also I thought Ronnies Gut was better than it has in recent years, and his waist was much more narrow than Jay's wide waist.

**Trick D** · 10-16-2005, 05:04 PM

Ruhl and Cormier both got in the top 15-10 placing. Neither was 100%, but I thought if Dennis James finished in the top 10, I thought Ruhl should have. Ruhl was holding water, but his waist was the smallest I have ever seen and his back was improved in my opinon. Dennis had the same gut he had at the Charlotte pro, and didn't deserve 6th in my opinion.Cormier was just off, didn't have his deep lines he normally has.

Ronnie Rockel and Kris Dim were very overlooked in my opinion. Federov was treated correctly.

**Trick D** · 10-16-2005, 05:10 PM

Challenge Round

Victor vs. Gunter (side triceps)- Gunter
Victor vs Cutler- Back Double biceps- Jay
Victor vs Gustavo- Ab and Thigh- Gustavo
Victor vs Ronnie- Front double biceps- Ronnie

Gunter vs. Victor- Most Muscular- Gunter
Gunter vs. Cutler- Back Double Biceps- Jay
Gunter vs. Gustavo- Back lat Spread- Gustavo
Gunter vs Coleman- ab and thigh- Ronnie

Cutler vs. victor- Back double biceps- Jay
Cutler vs. Gunter- Back double biceps- Jay
Cutler vs Gustavo- Most muscular- Gustavo (may shock some, but I thought Gustavo had it too)
Cutler vs. Coleman- Side Tricep- Jay

Gustavo vs Victor- Abs and thigh- Gustavo
Gustavo vs Gunter- Side chest- Gunter
Gustavo vs Cutler- Most muscular- Gustavo
Gustavo vs Coleman- Side Triceps- Gustavo

Coleman vs Victor- Back double biceps- Ronnie
Coleman vs Gunter- Rear lat spread- Ronnie
Coleman vs. Jay- Most muscular- Ronnie
Coleman vs Gustavo- Rear double biceps- Coleman

Final scores
Gustavo-12
Ronnie- 12
Jay- 10
Gunter- 6
Victor-0

Gustavo had a poseoff with Ronnie and Gustavo got the nod... I thought it was kinda lame myself, but oh well....

**Trick D** · 10-16-2005, 05:11 PM

Jay said it was a complete waste of time again... It was...

Ronnie said he couldn't believe it... He was right, it was bullshit

**EME** · 10-16-2005, 05:19 PM

I agree.. they just need to ditch the challenge round.

It was a waste of time. It was poorly run and really added no benefit to the show, in my opinon.

Also, it was obvious that the competitors didn't want to do it either.. ( maybe with the exception of Gustavo ) Most were standing around with a look of.. " Is this over yet? "

- EME

Vinter · 10-16-2005, 05:58 PM

I can't beleive Jay didnt win... ::cough cough:: rigged event.. they had no intention on ever not giving RC the title imo!

**Peaked_18** · 10-16-2005, 06:06 PM

Gustavo should've won against Cutler.

Are there any pics of Alex Federov?

10-16-2005, 05:07 AM	#3
johnsbod Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2,733 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	I was pulling for Jay or Günter to take down RC this year. From the pics I've seen posted it seems like RC worked on his conditioning more this year in the off-season as well, and his gut seems a bit better. I'm not sure what he did, but whatever it was it worked. __________________ Wenn Sie Deutsch sprechen können, posten Sie hier. Misc Perv #69

10-16-2005, 05:47 AM	#6
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,264 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	I personally thought Jay had it all the way. In my opinion, Jay beat Ronnie in every back pose, and his legs looked better than Ronnie's from the front. Jay had deeper seperation in his thighs, and more striation. Jay had no sign of the water retention in his back that had plagued him in past years, and his legs were dramatically improved. Upper body from the front could have gone either way between Ronnie and Jay. Ronnie also lost condition as the night went on, especially in his legs. His gut was also as apparent as ever, although he did do a better job of holding it in during the early rounds. Ronnies waist was trimmer than in years past, but from the side it still was bulging out many times during the evening. One thing I noticed for the first time on Ronnie was his significant lack of tricep separation. His arms we're huge, and he had great bicep peaks.. but his tricpes were severly lacking in depth and separation. This was particularly noticeable on his side Tricep pose. Gustavo looked surprisingly good and deserved third, much to my surprise. Gunter looked the best he has ever looked, although he had the same problem he has always had.. he never comes dark enough. If he had been darker he might have given Gustavo a run for third. Gunters legs looked the best they have ever looked, but he is lacking in Hamstring development when compared to the others ahead of him. That and his color kept him from placing higher. He definitely brought a much improved physique to the stage this year though. Victor has great shape and proportion but was holding too much water and was too smooth. I peronally feel there were some others who could have creeped up into the 5th place position, but his nice lines and proportions carried him over. More to come later... off to bed now. - EME __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.PhysiqueFXonline.com www.MichaelandKendra.com My wife, and IFBB Fitness Pro Kendra Elias' personal site: www.KendraElias.com Proud member of Team ALR: www.ALRIndustries.com

10-16-2005, 07:01 AM	#7
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10-16-2005, 11:50 AM	#9
Ihateeveryone Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Castle of Blakkheim Posts: 752 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	What a joke. I agree with Jay - what's the point? Jay came in better than ever, and he slaughtered Coleman. Give up on the Olympia, Mr Cutler, and keep at it with the Arnold Classic. The money is the same, and it is apparent that the Arnold Classic is fast becoming the premiere bodybuilding contest in the world. __________________ Bullshit things: Hippies Astrology Rap music Nu metal Leg presses Communism Nitric Oxide Left wing politics Decaf coffee Fortune cookies Cutting Prudes Wine coolers Non materialism F**k marijuana - legalise steroids!! Bart: Ohhh, this place smells, and somethings dripping on me! Willie: The smell's manure, and the drippin's manure!

10-16-2005, 05:19 PM	#15
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,264 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	I agree.. they just need to ditch the challenge round. It was a waste of time. It was poorly run and really added no benefit to the show, in my opinon. Also, it was obvious that the competitors didn't want to do it either.. ( maybe with the exception of Gustavo ) Most were standing around with a look of.. " Is this over yet? " - EME __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.PhysiqueFXonline.com www.MichaelandKendra.com My wife, and IFBB Fitness Pro Kendra Elias' personal site: www.KendraElias.com Proud member of Team ALR: www.ALRIndustries.com

10-16-2005, 09:50 AM	#8
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10-16-2005, 05:58 PM	#16
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10-16-2005, 06:06 PM	#17
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,247 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	Gustavo should've won against Cutler. Are there any pics of Alex Federov?