Dark horses and main competitors for 2005 olympia

**Trick D** · 07-27-2005, 03:06 PM

I have been thinking a lot about who will place in the top 10 this year and I am going to post some predictions (yes a whole 3 months in advance) and some dark horses.

(May I also point out that at the arnold classic on bb.com I posted who would finish in the top 6 exactly.)

Main contenders
#1. Ronnie Coleman- Took year off like normal to train for olympia. Will come in huge.
#2. Jay Cutler- Took year off to train and to get bigger and give Ronnie some more competition.

There is no one else that has a chance to win. This is for the race to finish 3rd.

Markus ruhl- No one has spoke a word of him the last few months but did you forget that he took the year off to focus on the olympia. Last year he weighed in the 280's and he competed at the arnold classic. Look at him atleast 290 or so shredded at the 2005 olympia, depending on judging he could finish 3-5.

Darrem Charles- To me, he is the poster boy for the new rule change. He has symmetry and he has mass. Look for him in top 5.

Gunter- Took year off to train for olympia, his tall frame just hurts him too much, he also hasn't came in crisp for a while now, he is now working with chad nichols again so maybe gunter mania will be back (I hope not) I don't think he will finish in top 5, maybe around 6-10.

Chris Cormier- I am tired of hearing him bitch about racism in the sport and making up excusses to why he loses. I am not saying there is or isn't racism but we have a black olympian and have had many black olympians back when racism was a bigger problem then it is today (sergio oliva for instances). He has looked good this year and has mass and good shape. I see him maybe being 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 give and take.

Victor Martinez- To me, he has two good pro showings, and all the rest need to be thrown out. He was perfect at the New York show a few years back for his first pro win, and last year at the gnc he was awesome, other than that he has anything but. If he nails conditioning, fixes his gut, and has everything fine he could be 3rd, but he is 0 for a lot this year so I put him back around 6-10.

Lee priest- Skipped last year olympia because he was pissed off at the IFBB. He has looked good this year and has notched his second pro win. In my opinion if he had a better chest he would take Dexter Jackson's spot at 3rd (since he isn't competing) but he lacks a chest because of his insane arms. If Markus Ruhl gets points off for his lagging triceps, it should be the same for lee priest in my opinion. I love the guy to death but he does have some minor flaws. I put him around 5th-10th depending on conditioning. I think he could easily be 5th if everything goes right.

Gustavo Badell- 3rd last year made his stock rise very fast. He has looked pretty good this year, but that gut is getting worse and worse. He has great conditioning but the stomach i going to get in the way. There was no way he deserved 3rd last year. He will be bumped back this year and probably end up 4th-7th.

Dark Horses:
Here are some people you probably forgot about, but I promise they will be there and will look good.

Kris Dim- The dimvasion asian will be ready to fight at the olympia. He had a knee injury and has taken the year off. He competed in the olympia last year with the injury and finished 12th (I do believe off the top of my head). I talked to him at the arnold classic and he is concentrating on the olympia. I will guarantee he will be in the top 10, and may even shock people by placing ahead of lee priest (though i doubt it). Look for him around 8th.

Dennis James- Dennis the menace James has been in some trouble with steroids and the law, no one has heard anything from him lately. I don't think he will compete but if he does, he will be top 10.

Federov- He is just a dark horse. I have no idea what type of package he will bring. If he finishes in the top 5 it will be a gift from the IFBB to russia. With his chest flaw (a severly torn pec last year or before) I don't think he can compete with the big boys yet. But who knows.

Melvin Anthony- I love the guys routines, but I don't think he can compete side by side with someone like Darrem Charles (although he has beaten darrem a few times). At the olympia I am sure he will place well, but not exactly sure how the new rule will be worked out.

**schroeder** · 07-27-2005, 04:02 PM

my top 10:
big ron
cutler
federov (his legs will raise his stock)
ruhl
gustavo
lee priest
gunter
darrem charles
victor martinez (i'm assuming he finally made it)
CC

....dex would be 3rd IMO

**Trick D** · 07-27-2005, 04:44 PM

yeah dex would have been 3rd on my board too, but he is taking the olympia off, which in my opinion is stupid.

**b-boy** · 07-29-2005, 12:59 AM

dennis james has to qualify which he will do early september, If he can hold his size during his diet then he will def. be top 5 material, he kinda hooked up with chad nicholls kinda late last time, so we will see what happens this time around... Dennis 13 weeks out from the olympia. http://www.dennis-james.com/Gallery/...re/pc05mro.htm

~~deadbluesky~~ · 07-29-2005, 02:09 AM

i think ruhl might shock everyone this year, but then again im sure that team
rip off...i mean muscle tech *jay and ronnie* will still be the top 2, im trying to head out to see it this year, i heard that you can pick up so many free supplements to last you for a year

**Trick D** · 07-29-2005, 02:21 AM

Techniquely Ronnie is with BSN not muscletech, and #2 you are right, but the arnold classic is better save your money for that. It is a hell of a show (the expo that is).

Dennis James looks huge. I had not heard anything about him this year and I was hoping that he didn't get into any more legal problems. His 10+ week out pics always look insane because he is ripped while so damn big. His back lat spread in that one pic is amazing. DJ will bring it this year, just not sure what placing since it is stacked with talent.

LatsMakeTheMan · 07-29-2005, 03:50 PM

Good rundown, Trick.

I'm a big fan of Johnnie Jackson......I think he could do some damage in coming years. He doesn't seem to have any major flaws, and he's got good shape and proportion. Plus, I've always been a fan of true strongmen/bodybuilders. Franco is my all-time favorite :bigthumbu

**Trick D** · 07-29-2005, 04:35 PM

Oh hell yeah I got more respect for Johnnie as anyone. he is great... He has a massive chest, massive traps and massive back... His gyno problem hurt him at the toronto. I have seen 30 pics of it or so from the toronto show, and I really believe that it was the case. He is a great bodybuilder but never has been a judge favorite. He is quite dangerous but he needs to be in the 240's I think to do some damage. Dexter was 5'6 and weighed 234 at the arnold. Darrem Charles is around 240 in the 5'9 or so. Jackson will do some damage, but I think it is in the up coming years.

**Trick D** · 07-29-2005, 04:37 PM

I really like capriese murray too, while we are on the subject of people I didn't outline. I have heard that he isn't competing, and many pros and experts say he is bad at site injecting (I don't have much knowledge in that, but he does look a bit fake in certain places). Dexter Jackson did a run down of X-men and Freaks and he considered Capriese Murray a freak even though he is a lot smaller than some of the x-men. IN my opinion he will start getting negative marks because of his lumpy body (small waist huge arms and super huge legs).

LatsMakeTheMan · 07-29-2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trick D

Oh hell yeah I got more respect for Johnnie as anyone. he is great... He has a massive chest, massive traps and massive back... His gyno problem hurt him at the toronto. I have seen 30 pics of it or so from the toronto show, and I really believe that it was the case. He is a great bodybuilder but never has been a judge favorite. He is quite dangerous but he needs to be in the 240's I think to do some damage. Dexter was 5'6 and weighed 234 at the arnold. Darrem Charles is around 240 in the 5'9 or so. Jackson will do some damage, but I think it is in the up coming years.

Yea you're right about the gyno......hopefully he can get that taken care of. And as you said if he can gain a bit more weight he'll be quite dangerous. He seems to be able to combine mass with asthetics as well as anyone.

**Trick D** · 07-29-2005, 06:39 PM

Definitely agree....

Ihateeveryone · 08-02-2005, 12:31 AM

I'm thinking this is Jays year this year. Just a funny feeling. That means Ronnie will finish second. There ends the certainty. But here's how I'd like to see it play out for the top 6 (if they still run the Challenge Round):

3. Lee Priest
4. Markus Ruhl
5. Vic Martinez
6. Dennis James

**Trick D** · 08-02-2005, 01:27 AM

I have never been a jay cutler fan... I don't know why but he has absolutely no muscles that go Oh my god that is Jay cutler. He is a complete bodybuilder with 0 elite muscles. Ronnie has the back, the best back in history. Dexter has the best conditioning around, not to mention abs. Ruhl has better biceps and bigger chest. Darrem Charles has the best triceps, and on and on and on. Other than shoulders (Ruhl and ronnie in my opinion still got him) and hamstrings, Jay doesn't have an elite muscle. That is why I pick him again to be 2nd.

Ihateeveryone · 08-02-2005, 01:47 AM

Elite muscle is nice to have - but bodybuilders should be carrying a complete package, not one part that overpowers others.

**EME** · 08-02-2005, 02:00 AM

I can't remember if he has qualified yet ( currently carb depleted LOL ), but I definitely think Troy Alves is a dark horse contender that can place high if he comes in his best shape.

I really like his physique when he's on.

If the judges really go by the new judging criteria, he should place ahead of many of the larger guys.

If he hasn't qualified yet, he should have a good shot at either the Europa or the Charlotte Pro.

- EME

**Trick D** · 08-02-2005, 04:02 AM

He's qualified. Finished 3rd at the Ironman pro.

Ihateeveryone · 08-03-2005, 11:45 AM

Scratch that - Alves is coming in at 6th now. I want to see Alves and Martinez head to head in the Challenge Round :bigthumbu

07-29-2005, 03:50 PM	#7
LatsMakeTheMan Pro Stature Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 185 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Good rundown, Trick. I'm a big fan of Johnnie Jackson......I think he could do some damage in coming years. He doesn't seem to have any major flaws, and he's got good shape and proportion. Plus, I've always been a fan of true strongmen/bodybuilders. Franco is my all-time favorite :bigthumbu __________________ Super Saiyan in training..... My MySpace account....come love me: http://www.myspace.com/eric2080

08-02-2005, 12:31 AM	#12
Ihateeveryone Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Castle of Blakkheim Posts: 752 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	I'm thinking this is Jays year this year. Just a funny feeling. That means Ronnie will finish second. There ends the certainty. But here's how I'd like to see it play out for the top 6 (if they still run the Challenge Round): 3. Lee Priest 4. Markus Ruhl 5. Vic Martinez 6. Dennis James __________________ Bullshit things: Hippies Astrology Rap music Nu metal Leg presses Communism Nitric Oxide Left wing politics Decaf coffee Fortune cookies Cutting Prudes Wine coolers Non materialism F**k marijuana - legalise steroids!! Bart: Ohhh, this place smells, and somethings dripping on me! Willie: The smell's manure, and the drippin's manure!

08-02-2005, 01:47 AM	#14
Ihateeveryone Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Castle of Blakkheim Posts: 752 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	Elite muscle is nice to have - but bodybuilders should be carrying a complete package, not one part that overpowers others. __________________ Bullshit things: Hippies Astrology Rap music Nu metal Leg presses Communism Nitric Oxide Left wing politics Decaf coffee Fortune cookies Cutting Prudes Wine coolers Non materialism F**k marijuana - legalise steroids!! Bart: Ohhh, this place smells, and somethings dripping on me! Willie: The smell's manure, and the drippin's manure!

08-02-2005, 02:00 AM	#15
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,264 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	I can't remember if he has qualified yet ( currently carb depleted LOL ), but I definitely think Troy Alves is a dark horse contender that can place high if he comes in his best shape. I really like his physique when he's on. If the judges really go by the new judging criteria, he should place ahead of many of the larger guys. If he hasn't qualified yet, he should have a good shot at either the Europa or the Charlotte Pro. - EME __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.PhysiqueFXonline.com www.MichaelandKendra.com My wife, and IFBB Fitness Pro Kendra Elias' personal site: www.KendraElias.com Proud member of Team ALR: www.ALRIndustries.com

08-03-2005, 11:45 AM	#17
Ihateeveryone Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Castle of Blakkheim Posts: 752 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 11	Scratch that - Alves is coming in at 6th now. I want to see Alves and Martinez head to head in the Challenge Round :bigthumbu __________________ Bullshit things: Hippies Astrology Rap music Nu metal Leg presses Communism Nitric Oxide Left wing politics Decaf coffee Fortune cookies Cutting Prudes Wine coolers Non materialism F**k marijuana - legalise steroids!! Bart: Ohhh, this place smells, and somethings dripping on me! Willie: The smell's manure, and the drippin's manure!

07-27-2005, 04:02 PM	#2
schroeder Der Leutnant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: tacoma, wa Posts: 884 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 17	my top 10: big ron cutler federov (his legs will raise his stock) ruhl gustavo lee priest gunter darrem charles victor martinez (i'm assuming he finally made it) CC ....dex would be 3rd IMO __________________ Live from Baghdad! Ich bin gross und stark!

07-29-2005, 12:59 AM	#4
b-boy Gold Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 548 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 42	dennis james has to qualify which he will do early september, If he can hold his size during his diet then he will def. be top 5 material, he kinda hooked up with chad nicholls kinda late last time, so we will see what happens this time around... Dennis 13 weeks out from the olympia. http://www.dennis-james.com/Gallery/...re/pc05mro.htm

07-29-2005, 02:09 AM	#5
~~deadbluesky~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: university of north florida, FL Posts: 77 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	i think ruhl might shock everyone this year, but then again im sure that team rip off...i mean muscle tech jay and ronnie will still be the top 2, im trying to head out to see it this year, i heard that you can pick up so many free supplements to last you for a year