Women and Xfactor

D3siBooty · 05-26-2006, 02:46 AM

I was impressed by Xfactor seeing my man cut down and was wondering the effects of the same product AA on a woman.
While he was running XF he had a few synergists like clen for his little rat. He dropped 2% and kept his strength. I am thinking along the same lines. Maybe a 35 day cycle inplace of a 50.

My b2's are pretty easily downregulated and i am on a week of benadryl before sleep. Based on some research I plan to start hopefully in a week or two.

Any and all suggestions are most appreciated.

**Pioneer** · 05-26-2006, 03:31 AM

you ever use clen before?

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No, there is no reason why women can't take it. It's a non-hormonal product. It works well for women, provided their training and nutrition is designed to accomodate the nutritional requirements.
-EME

D3siBooty · 05-26-2006, 04:12 AM

Two cycles with Keitofen, good stuff , smooth.
Threw in taurine after week 1. Taper up then ramp down dose.

**EME** · 05-26-2006, 04:28 AM

I'd suggest using it for the entire 50 days, not just 35 days.

For some people the best results don't really kick in until the third or fourth week. I personally see gains as early as week 2, but I've seen many who take longer to get loaded sufficiently.

The only side effect I have ever seen with women is some minor water retention at low bodyfat %. ( I've seen this with men too, including myself ).

I'm talking very minor... but enough to be a problem if you are a physique competitor. I suggest that competitors stop their cycles at 3-4 weeks prior to their shows to get the best results during cutting, but not have any issues with water.

It definitely helps with maintaining muscle while cutting though, and will work well for a woman or a man, provided your diet and training is in check.

As for using it with a Beta 2 Agonist like Clen, I'm not sure since I don't use Clen, but it works just fine with ephedrine HCL.

I'd personally love to see a Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 and X-Factor cutting stack.... maybe with some Thyrogen-X thrown in the mix.... now THAT would be a fat burning, anti-catabolic, muscle retaining cocktail. :yes:

- EME

D3siBooty · 05-26-2006, 06:57 AM

Thankyou EME, your response is much appreciated. I am around 16-17% looking to get to 14-15 with almost nil muscle loss. With your wife being a top competitor am sure you know how hard it is to pack on those lean, mean and clean pounds

for a woman.

I will try to log it. I have 3 bottles of XF lying here and with my boy on a big long hormonal quest i think it should'nt be too hard for him to part with his goodies.

Thx again!

Pj-Macx · 05-26-2006, 01:23 PM

Oh my a venom hyperdrive, xfactor, thyrogen stack... I think I am going to drool... that maybe be something I think about for those last few pounds..

**madman911** · 05-26-2006, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EME

I'd personally love to see a Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 and X-Factor cutting stack.... maybe with some Thyrogen-X thrown in the mix.... now THAT would be a fat burning, anti-catabolic, muscle retaining cocktail. :yes:

- EME

I'm presently running an X Factor/NHA stack. I'm seriously considering throwing in the Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 to boost the fat loss. I'm not a good logger, but I am in the IMPC, so my results will be documented with detailed photos at least. I'm gonna go check the hyperdrive price now... the XF/NHA stack ain't cheap, but what's money when it comes to getting shredded.

O/T: This smilie is hilarious

**EME** · 05-26-2006, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madman911

..... I'm gonna go check the hyperdrive price now...

Check my price on the Hyperdrive 3.0 for IronMass members in the classifieds section. It's better than anywhere else that I've seen.

Michael and Kendra's ALRI Store - IronMass Member Prices

- EME

Pj-Macx · 05-26-2006, 03:03 PM

I get my Venom through EME.. no better price around..

D3siBooty · 05-26-2006, 08:53 PM

Yep we just got a boat load of venom, cant wait to try it next month!

No efa's, no sesamin , no fish

, but looks like shrimp is ok unless you dont go overboard.

Some peanut butter in limited quantities looks ok too i guess.

05-26-2006, 02:46 AM	#1
D3siBooty Amateur Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 33 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Women and Xfactor I was impressed by Xfactor seeing my man cut down and was wondering the effects of the same product AA on a woman. While he was running XF he had a few synergists like clen for his little rat. He dropped 2% and kept his strength. I am thinking along the same lines. Maybe a 35 day cycle inplace of a 50. My b2's are pretty easily downregulated and i am on a week of benadryl before sleep. Based on some research I plan to start hopefully in a week or two. Any and all suggestions are most appreciated. __________________ Team Beast Breeder 5'8... 135lbs of CurrrrrvY East Indian ASS! 38/26/39

05-26-2006, 04:12 AM	#3
D3siBooty Amateur Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 33 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Two cycles with Keitofen, good stuff , smooth. Threw in taurine after week 1. Taper up then ramp down dose. __________________ Team Beast Breeder 5'8... 135lbs of CurrrrrvY East Indian ASS! 38/26/39

05-26-2006, 04:28 AM	#4
EME Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,264 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	I'd suggest using it for the entire 50 days, not just 35 days. For some people the best results don't really kick in until the third or fourth week. I personally see gains as early as week 2, but I've seen many who take longer to get loaded sufficiently. The only side effect I have ever seen with women is some minor water retention at low bodyfat %. ( I've seen this with men too, including myself ). I'm talking very minor... but enough to be a problem if you are a physique competitor. I suggest that competitors stop their cycles at 3-4 weeks prior to their shows to get the best results during cutting, but not have any issues with water. It definitely helps with maintaining muscle while cutting though, and will work well for a woman or a man, provided your diet and training is in check. As for using it with a Beta 2 Agonist like Clen, I'm not sure since I don't use Clen, but it works just fine with ephedrine HCL. I'd personally love to see a Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 and X-Factor cutting stack.... maybe with some Thyrogen-X thrown in the mix.... now THAT would be a fat burning, anti-catabolic, muscle retaining cocktail. :yes: - EME __________________ PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias: www.PhysiqueFXonline.com www.MichaelandKendra.com My wife, and IFBB Fitness Pro Kendra Elias' personal site: www.KendraElias.com Proud member of Team ALR: www.ALRIndustries.com

05-26-2006, 06:57 AM	#5
D3siBooty Amateur Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 33 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Thankyou EME, your response is much appreciated. I am around 16-17% looking to get to 14-15 with almost nil muscle loss. With your wife being a top competitor am sure you know how hard it is to pack on those lean, mean and clean pounds for a woman. I will try to log it. I have 3 bottles of XF lying here and with my boy on a big long hormonal quest i think it should'nt be too hard for him to part with his goodies. Thx again! __________________ Team Beast Breeder 5'8... 135lbs of CurrrrrvY East Indian ASS! 38/26/39

05-26-2006, 01:23 PM	#6
Pj-Macx Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Location: 632 HP SS Posts: 3,336 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 68	Oh my a venom hyperdrive, xfactor, thyrogen stack... I think I am going to drool... that maybe be something I think about for those last few pounds.. __________________ Co-Owner @ BodyBuildingXtreme 2002 Navy Blue Metallic Camaro SS "The Blue Ghost" # 10354 -=LME LSX 454ci built for N20=-

05-26-2006, 03:03 PM	#9
Pj-Macx Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Location: 632 HP SS Posts: 3,336 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 68	I get my Venom through EME.. no better price around.. __________________ Co-Owner @ BodyBuildingXtreme 2002 Navy Blue Metallic Camaro SS "The Blue Ghost" # 10354 -=LME LSX 454ci built for N20=-

05-26-2006, 08:53 PM	#10
D3siBooty Amateur Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 33 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Yep we just got a boat load of venom, cant wait to try it next month! No efa's, no sesamin , no fish , but looks like shrimp is ok unless you dont go overboard. Some peanut butter in limited quantities looks ok too i guess. __________________ Team Beast Breeder 5'8... 135lbs of CurrrrrvY East Indian ASS! 38/26/39

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