Tribulus useless

**DarkFalcon** · 09-28-2005, 02:17 AM

Thanks to my buddy Ghosting over at bbdungeon for posting this...
Interesting article about Trib.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4038&query_hl=3

J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23. Related Articles, Links

The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.

Neychev VK, Mitev VI.

Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria.

OBJECTIVE:: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS:: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS:: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.

nickhead76 · 09-29-2005, 04:52 PM

that sucks because i have a bottle.

**NNTB** · 09-29-2005, 06:26 PM

it may not be anabolic but i know i stay a lot "harder" when i have used it in the past...

ZackMurphy · 10-13-2005, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickhead76

that sucks because i have a bottle.

Sell it to a young kid. Tell him it will work well if he increases his caloric intake and works out a little harder than usual. Guaranteed results.

chlaxman · 10-13-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ZackMurphy

Sell it to a young kid. Tell him it will work well if he increases his caloric intake and works out a little harder than usual. Guaranteed results.

Really??? I think I'm going to try that for myself! :yes:

ZackMurphy · 10-14-2005, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chlaxman

Really??? I think I'm going to try that for myself! :yes:

Honestly - it's what I'd do. I've sold stuff to kids who use the gyms I work. They want the magic pills, and I happen to have them. Of course, whatever I sell just happens to be functional "only if you can successfully increase your caloric intake and hit the gym extra hard. Gotta get more food than usual, limit your cardio a little, and lift heavy."

What do you know - they gain size like crazy, and I make my $$, and all their friends come looking for more.

**DarkFalcon** · 10-14-2005, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZackMurphy

Honestly - it's what I'd do. I've sold stuff to kids who use the gyms I work. They want the magic pills, and I happen to have them. Of course, whatever I sell just happens to be functional "only if you can successfully increase your caloric intake and hit the gym extra hard. Gotta get more food than usual, limit your cardio a little, and lift heavy."

What do you know - they gain size like crazy, and I make my $$, and all their friends come looking for more.

lmao..nice scam. :bigthumbu

**skelooth** · 10-14-2005, 11:59 AM

all herbal test boosters are a crock of **** :p

chlaxman · 10-14-2005, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

all herbal test boosters are a crock of **** :p

What?!?!?! You're saying my horney goat weed doesn't work?!?!

ZackMurphy · 10-14-2005, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFalcon

lmao..nice scam. :bigthumbu

It's a scam, and I pad my walking-around money, but it also keeps the kids safe. And honest to God, these kids drive me freaking nuts with all the crap they want to take. So if I can keep them on Flintstone chewables, all the better.

Kid yesterday - got M1T from a local muscle store, guy didn't even mention the concept of PCT or cycling, so the kid took the bottle just like the lable says, and stopped cold. It killed his libido for a month, he still can't get it up, he was all jacked up, and he's still a little off. And now he's coming to me because the guy sold him TZ3 (a trib-zinc stack) to "cure the libido issue". I'm like "W. T. F. "

SO on top of all the problems the store exposed this poor kid to, they're not even helping him solve the issue. Just selling him more crap. So yesterday this kid an I had our latest "how testosterone actually works" conversation. Kills me.

**DarkFalcon** · 10-15-2005, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZackMurphy

It's a scam, and I pad my walking-around money, but it also keeps the kids safe. And honest to God, these kids drive me freaking nuts with all the crap they want to take. So if I can keep them on Flintstone chewables, all the better.

Kid yesterday - got M1T from a local muscle store, guy didn't even mention the concept of PCT or cycling, so the kid took the bottle just like the lable says, and stopped cold. It killed his libido for a month, he still can't get it up, he was all jacked up, and he's still a little off. And now he's coming to me because the guy sold him TZ3 (a trib-zinc stack) to "cure the libido issue". I'm like "W. T. F. "

SO on top of all the problems the store exposed this poor kid to, they're not even helping him solve the issue. Just selling him more crap. So yesterday this kid an I had our latest "how testosterone actually works" conversation. Kills me.

Well at least someone is around to help this guy out. I'm sure there are 1000's who aren't so lucky.

09-28-2005, 02:17 AM	#1
DarkFalcon I've got a RAGING clue! Join Date: May 2005 Location: dnyc99's cleaning staff Posts: 11,511 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 299	Tribulus useless Thanks to my buddy Ghosting over at bbdungeon for posting this... Interesting article about Trib. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4038&query_hl=3 J Ethnopharmacol. 2005 Oct 3;101(1-3):319-23. Related Articles, Links The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men. Neychev VK, Mitev VI. Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. OBJECTIVE:: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS:: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS:: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.

09-29-2005, 04:52 PM	#2
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