Hybrid

I take 3g of Glucosamien to help my joints, however recently I inflamed my tendon during swim practice (at least that's what my coach thinks I did, I basically pulled hard on backstroke, heard a pop noise, and my shoulder hurt whenever I rotated it with basically any resistance) probably due to lifting in the morning (heavy rowing) and then swimming in the afternoon. I was wondering if there was anything I could take to help support healthy repair and growth of tendons. Is that what shark cartilledge is for? Also, would it be wise to up the dosage of Glucosamine to 5g, as my shoulders seem to be cracking more.

Thanks

__________________
If you even dream about beating me you'd better wake up and apologize - Muhammad Ali

skelooth

Yeah, 4g-5g per day of glucosamine is typical dosing anyway.

People seem really split on the issue of glucosamine. I've used it and I think it worked but other things you can take include

shark cartlidge
MSM
Chondroiton

I believe glucosamine+MSM+Chonroiton would prolly be the best joint support stack you could muster. Another think you might want to try, is many people swear by using flax oil as a joint support supplement. I personally have not seen any evidence as to WHY that would be, but it's worth a shot.

Edit: Be careful of your rotator cuff man! Those things are FRAGILE!!!!!!!! If doing something hurts it, STOP doing it. I'd recommend not doing any type of shoulder movements for a week or so, then leaning it back in slowly starting your shoulder and chest work with rotator cuff exercises. Yeah rotator cuff exercises look girly and wussy but they pay off in the end. You don't want to be out of the game with a ****ed up shoulder!

__________________
R I P

Hybrid

My coach told me it was probably something that should go away in only one day. I told him I'd take the weekend off, rest, and eat hard. He said I should be 100% by Monday. I'm hoping he's correct in that statement.

I have 2 bottles of Glucosamine and Chondroition in my cabinet (thank you vitamin world buy 1 get 1 free sales) that I will use once I run out of my Glucosamine Sulphate (a few pills left). I will up the dosage.....

However, would this aid my tendon? or is there something else specific designed for this? I'm gonna have to search up some of Peaked's post on another board about rotator cuff injuries, and i'll do some of the warm ups he posted for it too on monday (chest/tri, followed by a swim meet).

__________________
If you even dream about beating me you'd better wake up and apologize - Muhammad Ali

EME

With my current injury, I am researching this now.

Considering that I literally ripped one major tendon to shreads, And, have previously strained the same tendon on the other pec.... I am definitely researching tendon support supps.

What I have found so far though, is that NOTHING does as much good for your tendons as warming up properly and stretching.

- EME

__________________
PhysiqueFXonline - Online Nutrition and Training with Michael and Kendra Elias:

www.MichaelandKendra.com


Team Molecular Nutrition

Creative Director FAME Media Group / World Natural Sports Organization
Editor-In-Chief FAME Magazine
www.FAMEWorldTour.com

PROD1GY

I am currently trying out Cissus.
Capped:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/usp/cis.html
Bulk Powder:
http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/...oducts_id=1043

Bulk Powder is about 8 bucks cheaper, and you get like 30-40 more grams.

I just started a log today:
http://www.ironmass.com/forums/showt...471#post109471

Sixpack

Well to be honest when I rupptured by achillies tendon playing football hard rehab along with a ton of stretching took down the scar tissue a great deal. I also put some DMSO on my achillies which really worked pretty good. I got it at my health food store. But I have never tried Cissus so I am sort of interested in that> I just started playing full court basketball again and my injury happened over 2 years ago.

__________________
["Tough Times Don't Last But Tough People Do"
My Pops RIP
http://www.optimumnutrition.com/
"Fueling your desire for success"
www.rippedacadamy.com
Mod-massmonsterz.com
ISSA certified

Grunt76

Tendons tend to inflame when their integrity is threatened, moreso than any other tissue. Ligaments also have this tendency. Now the wound to the tissue might be superficial and very minor, but sometimes the inflamation hurts a lot. Interestingly, inflamation PREVENTS the tissue from healing. That's right, an inflamed tissue doesn't repair itself. The inflamation must first go away before the healing process can even begin. Now of course if you keep using the inflamed tendon ligament whatever, it keeps the inflamation going and of course no healing can happen.

There is one natural anti-inflamatory that I like above all others. I have flat feet and a knee that has two ligaments that are pretty much useless, so I undergo lots of heavy friction at the wrong time and places. I can't run because I know my lower legs will be wrecked for 3-4 days afterwards. So when I talk about joint repair or anti-inflamation, I'm talking about my daily life.

Devil's claw root. An african plant that has been doing wonders for flexibility and movement for literally thousands of years. I've been using it almost daily for years. It's pretty wonderful stuff. Kalyx.com sells the liquid extract and NOW makes the caps although I have yet to see them at a bodybuilding store, sadly.

Here's a few abstracts:

Harpagoside suppresses lipopolysaccharide-induced iNOS and COX-2 expression through inhibition of NF-kappaB activation.

Huang TH, Tran VH, Duke RK, Tan S, Chrubasik S, Roufogalis BD, Duke CC.

Pharmaceutical Chemistry and Herbal Medicines Research and Education Centre, Faculty of Pharmacy A15, University of Sydney, NSW 2006, Australia.

Preparations of Harpagophytum procumbens, known as devil's claw, are used as an adjunctive therapy for the treatment of pain and osteoarthritis. Pharmacological evaluations have proven the effectiveness of this herbal drug as an anti-inflammatory and analgesic agent. The present study has investigated the mechanism of action of harpagoside, one of the major components of Harpagophytum procumbens, using human HepG2 hepatocarcinoma and RAW 264.7 macrophage cell lines. Harpagoside inhibited lipopolysaccharide-induced mRNA levels and protein expression of cyclooxygenase-2 and inducible nitric oxide in HepG2 cells. These inhibitions appeared to correlate with the suppression of NF-kappaB activation by harpagoside, as pre-treating cells with harpagoside blocked the translocation of NF-kappaB into the nuclear compartments and degradation of the inhibitory subunit IkappaB-alpha. Furthermore, harpagoside dose-dependently inhibited LPS-stimulated NF-kappaB promoter activity in a gene reporter assay in RAW 264.7 cells, indicating that harpagoside interfered with the activation of gene transcription. These results suggest that the inhibition of the expression of cyclooxygenase-2 and inducible nitric oxide by harpagoside involves suppression of NF-kappaB activation, thereby inhibiting downstream inflammation and subsequent pain events.

PMID: 16203115 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]


Analgesic, antiinflammatory and antidiabetic properties of Harpagophytum procumbens DC (Pedaliaceae) secondary root aqueous extract.

Mahomed IM, Ojewole JA.

Department of Pharmacology, Faculty of Health Sciences, University of KwaZulu-Natal, Private Bag X54001, Durban 4000, South Africa.

South Africa is blessed with a rich floral biodiversity of medicinally useful plants. One such plant is Harpagophytum procumbens DC (Family: Pedaliaceae). H. procumbens is widely used in South African traditional medicine for the treatment, management and/or control of a variety of human ailments. In the present study, the analgesic effect of H. procumbens secondary root aqueous extract was evaluated in mice, using the 'hot-plate' and 'acetic acid' test methods; while the antiinflammatory and antidiabetic effects of the plant's secondary root extract were investigated in rats. Fresh egg albumin-induced pedal oedema and streptozotocin (STZ)-induced diabetes mellitus were used as experimental test models of inflammation and diabetes Diclofenac (DIC, 100 mg/kg i.p.) was used as a reference analgesic and antiinflammatory agent for comparison. Chlorpropamide (250 mg/kg p.o.) was used as a reference hypoglycaemic agent for comparison. H. procumbens root aqueous extract (HPE, 50-800 mg/kg i.p.) produced significant (p < 0.05-0.001) analgesic effects against thermally and chemically induced nociceptive pain stimuli in mice. H. procumbens root extract (HPE, 50-800 mg/kg i.p.) also produced dose-related, significant reductions (p < 0.05-0.001) of the fresh egg albumin-induced acute inflammation of the rat hind paw oedema. Furthermore, the plant extract (HPE, 50-800 mg/kg i.p.) produced dose-dependent, significant reductions (p < 0.05-0.001) in the blood glucose concentrations of both fasted normal and fasted diabetic rats. The results of this experimental animal study indicate that H. procumbens root aqueous extract possesses analgesic, antiinflammatory and hypoglycaemic properties, and lend pharmacological support to the suggested folklore uses of Harpagophytum procumbens root in the management and/or control of painful, arthritic and other inflammatory conditions, as well as for adult-onset, type-2 diabetes mellitus in some communities of South Africa. 2004 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.

PMID: 15742343 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


From: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6882/4/13

Background

The objective of this review is to determine the effectiveness of Harpagophytum procumbens preparations in the treatment of various forms of musculoskeletal pain.

Methods

Several databases and other sources were searched to identify randomized controlled trials, quasi-randomized controlled trials, and controlled clinical trials testing Harpagophytum preparations in adults suffering from pain due to osteoarthritis or low back pain.

Results

Given the clinical heterogeneity and insufficient data for statistical pooling, trials were described in a narrative way, taking into consideration methodological quality scores. Twelve trials were included with six investigating osteoarthritis (two were identical trials), four low back pain, and three mixed-pain conditions.

Conclusions

There is limited evidence for an ethanolic Harpagophytum extract containing less than <30 mg harpagoside per day in the treatment of knee and hip osteoarthritis. There is moderate evidence of effectiveness for (1) the use of a Harpagophytum powder at 60 mg harpagoside in the treatment of osteoarthritis of the spine, hip and knee; (2) the use of an aqueous Harpagophytum extract at a daily dose of 100 mg harpagoside in the treatment of acute exacerbations of chronic non-specific low back pain; and (3) the use of an aqueous extract of Harpagophytum procumbens at 60 mg harpagoside being non-inferior to 12.5 mg rofecoxib per day for chronic non-specific low-back pain (NSLBP) in the short term. Strong evidence exists for the use of an aqueous Harpagophytum extract at a daily dose equivalent of 50 mg harpagoside in the treatment of acute exacerbations of chronic NSLBP.

__________________
Everything I write is fiction and for entertainment only. Now look at this quote, THAT is real entertainment!
http://GruntWorkx.com

Slated

I just started Cissus.

My sholder has been acting up, we'll see if it helps at all

__________________
www.MiscSection.com
www.FightersDungeon.com

supplements - $200/mo
gym - $40/mo
the look on girls faces when they see me with my shirt off - priceless

for everything else, there's gear