Succios Supplements for dummies

**Succio** · 03-10-2007, 07:19 PM

i want to discuss about the different aspects of supplement companys and supplements, mainly to help newbs out so that they dont get ripped off

#1 Blend
look out for the "matrix" or "killer" blend. im talkin about something like this

"super nox blend"
3200 mg
AKKG, caffeine, Di-creatine malate, creatine mono, Citrulline malate

-notice how some companys dont like to put the amount in some of the ingredients. that is because they like to high dose the cheap stuff, and low dose the more expensive stuff. THey might not even put enough of an ingredient, but just put it on there to make it look better.

#2 Serving size
THis is very important. It's simple, look on the label at servings per container. This way, you can compare 2 similar supplements and see which one has more servings, and is more cost effective. Also, make sure your getting a reasonable amount, so it will last you a while.
example :
supplement 1 - $30 with 60 servings
supplement 2 - $25 with 40 servings
- the better buy here is supplement 1, its 5 bux more, but your gettin a lot more servings.

#3 Look out for rediculous claims
"Gain 30 pounds of muscle in one month". THat is impossible, and false advertising just so you can buy it. My advise is, dont pay attention or believe ANY claims, no matter how believable or not they are. These are usually the companys you should never buy from. Look out for the before and after pics too, they are misleading.

#4 Look out for very cheap supplements
if you go to walmart or some kind of taccy drug store or something, if the product is REALLY cheap, then it is probably low quality.

#5 WHere to buy your supplements
9 times out of 10, supplements bought online are cheaper than stores. Always buy your supplements online. There are some exceptions because sometimes they are about the same price or might be on sale. Believe me, your wallet will thank you for buying your supps online.

#6 where to start
Creatine Monohydrate - THE best non-hormonal supplement to increase strength and performance
Multivitamin - A must
Whey protein - Make sure it is Whey and not Soy
Flax/Fish oil - Good fats are essential to your diet
Pre workout energizer - dont reccomend this to starters, wait until you have a few months of lifting under your belt

#7 Supplement companys to buy from (IMO and many others)
Optimum nutrition - best whey in town
Controlled labs
Dymatize
Cytosport
-These are my fav, there are many companys out there that are just as good in quality and price

#8 There is no "MAGIC" pill
no supplement is going to make you a 250 pound 5% BF beast. You must understand that training and diet is the key, with supplements being a S-U-P-P-L-E-M-E-N-T. This goes back to the false claims, a supplement will help you achieve your goals, but you cant achieve them with no diet/training.

#9 patents and Clinical studies
A company will simply try to patent their product to give it the title "patent pending". patent pending means it hasnt been patented yet, so it really means nothing, other than the fact that it is going through the process of patenting, but not there yet. Look out for the companys who say "studys show X raises strength". MANY times, they take studies and references from others. Very few companys research and study their supps themselves

**davtown** · 03-10-2007, 08:43 PM

Nice work, this will definitely help out any beginners that stumble upon it.

**Succio** · 03-10-2007, 10:51 PM

#10 "Joe said XXX is an awesome product and he gained 40 pounds!!"

-Don't buy a product just because your buddy said it is great and it worked very well for him. What works for some, may not work for others.

#11 Dont even think about it...
You probably know what this is about. Take a wild guess. Yup, you guessed right. I don't care if your 30 or 25, If you just started lifting weights and dieting/supplementing etc., dont touch AAS/pro-hormones. **There are a lot of articles and info about steroids, soak up all this info like a sponge. If your going to do them....
1. Make sure you go to your doctor regularly
2. Make sure you're around 25 years old
3. Before you do anything, post what your planning to do on a forum, you'll be amazed at how many people are willing to help you out.

#12 Reviews and Logs
Reading reviews and Logs on supplements can be helpful. Although, like stated before, what works for some, may not work for others. You'll be surprised at how many bad and good reviews a supplement will get, and it should steer you to it or away.

**DarkFalcon** · 03-11-2007, 04:47 AM

Great post bro, I'll rep ya next time it let's me.

**DJSTARER** · 03-11-2007, 09:13 PM

sweet post. We all have our fav companies. I like ON too, but to each his/her own.

personally:

Scivation

**Ikaika** · 03-13-2007, 03:06 AM

13. Spell check so you don't misspell "companies" a zillion times. :bshot:

Nice work man, they should make everyone read that before they walk into a GNC.

**Succio** · 03-13-2007, 03:18 AM

i dont know about you guys, but i think this should be pinned IMO

not just because im the author, but i think this would really help out beginners

i truly believe this is pinning material

**romanaz** · 03-13-2007, 03:24 AM

this is a good thread, props to you succio, it should be

**Succio** · 03-15-2007, 05:45 AM

*bump* owww my head

**Ikaika** · 03-15-2007, 01:24 PM

if you edited this and tweaked the formatting a little bit i think it would make a great sticky.

**Succio** · 03-16-2007, 04:08 AM

hmm you're right, will do sometime

**Succio** · 03-18-2007, 02:17 AM

i cant edit them anymore

**romanaz** · 03-18-2007, 02:28 AM

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i cant edit them anymore

then repost it

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03-10-2007, 07:19 PM	#1
Succio IronMass Sponsor Join Date: May 2006 Location: beastville Posts: 1,942 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 97	Succios Supplements for dummies i want to discuss about the different aspects of supplement companys and supplements, mainly to help newbs out so that they dont get ripped off #1 Blend look out for the "matrix" or "killer" blend. im talkin about something like this "super nox blend" 3200 mg AKKG, caffeine, Di-creatine malate, creatine mono, Citrulline malate -notice how some companys dont like to put the amount in some of the ingredients. that is because they like to high dose the cheap stuff, and low dose the more expensive stuff. THey might not even put enough of an ingredient, but just put it on there to make it look better. #2 Serving size THis is very important. It's simple, look on the label at servings per container. This way, you can compare 2 similar supplements and see which one has more servings, and is more cost effective. Also, make sure your getting a reasonable amount, so it will last you a while. example : supplement 1 - $30 with 60 servings supplement 2 - $25 with 40 servings - the better buy here is supplement 1, its 5 bux more, but your gettin a lot more servings. #3 Look out for rediculous claims "Gain 30 pounds of muscle in one month". THat is impossible, and false advertising just so you can buy it. My advise is, dont pay attention or believe ANY claims, no matter how believable or not they are. These are usually the companys you should never buy from. Look out for the before and after pics too, they are misleading. #4 Look out for very cheap supplements if you go to walmart or some kind of taccy drug store or something, if the product is REALLY cheap, then it is probably low quality. #5 WHere to buy your supplements 9 times out of 10, supplements bought online are cheaper than stores. Always buy your supplements online. There are some exceptions because sometimes they are about the same price or might be on sale. Believe me, your wallet will thank you for buying your supps online. #6 where to start Creatine Monohydrate - THE best non-hormonal supplement to increase strength and performance Multivitamin - A must Whey protein - Make sure it is Whey and not Soy Flax/Fish oil - Good fats are essential to your diet Pre workout energizer - dont reccomend this to starters, wait until you have a few months of lifting under your belt #7 Supplement companys to buy from (IMO and many others) Optimum nutrition - best whey in town Controlled labs Dymatize Cytosport -These are my fav, there are many companys out there that are just as good in quality and price #8 There is no "MAGIC" pill no supplement is going to make you a 250 pound 5% BF beast. You must understand that training and diet is the key, with supplements being a S-U-P-P-L-E-M-E-N-T. This goes back to the false claims, a supplement will help you achieve your goals, but you cant achieve them with no diet/training. #9 patents and Clinical studies A company will simply try to patent their product to give it the title "patent pending". patent pending means it hasnt been patented yet, so it really means nothing, other than the fact that it is going through the process of patenting, but not there yet. Look out for the companys who say "studys show X raises strength". MANY times, they take studies and references from others. Very few companys research and study their supps themselves __________________ SUPPLEMENTS.NET REP Last edited by Succio : 03-10-2007 at 07:59 PM.

03-10-2007, 08:43 PM	#2
davtown OM NOM NOM NOM Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,360 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 128	Nice work, this will definitely help out any beginners that stumble upon it. __________________ --Training Journal-- current/goal D: 350/380 S: 280/300 B: 235/260

03-10-2007, 10:51 PM	#3
Succio IronMass Sponsor Join Date: May 2006 Location: beastville Posts: 1,942 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 97	#10 "Joe said XXX is an awesome product and he gained 40 pounds!!" -Don't buy a product just because your buddy said it is great and it worked very well for him. What works for some, may not work for others. #11 Dont even think about it... You probably know what this is about. Take a wild guess. Yup, you guessed right. I don't care if your 30 or 25, If you just started lifting weights and dieting/supplementing etc., dont touch AAS/pro-hormones. **There are a lot of articles and info about steroids, soak up all this info like a sponge. If your going to do them.... 1. Make sure you go to your doctor regularly 2. Make sure you're around 25 years old 3. Before you do anything, post what your planning to do on a forum, you'll be amazed at how many people are willing to help you out. #12 Reviews and Logs Reading reviews and Logs on supplements can be helpful. Although, like stated before, what works for some, may not work for others. You'll be surprised at how many bad and good reviews a supplement will get, and it should steer you to it or away. __________________ SUPPLEMENTS.NET REP

03-11-2007, 04:47 AM	#4
DarkFalcon I've got a RAGING clue! Join Date: May 2005 Location: dnyc99's cleaning staff Posts: 11,511 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 299	Great post bro, I'll rep ya next time it let's me.

03-11-2007, 09:13 PM	#5
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,048 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 114	sweet post. We all have our fav companies. I like ON too, but to each his/her own. personally: Scivation __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

03-13-2007, 03:06 AM	#6
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,770 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 216	13. Spell check so you don't misspell "companies" a zillion times. :bshot: Nice work man, they should make everyone read that before they walk into a GNC. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

03-13-2007, 03:18 AM	#7
Succio IronMass Sponsor Join Date: May 2006 Location: beastville Posts: 1,942 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 97	i dont know about you guys, but i think this should be pinned IMO not just because im the author, but i think this would really help out beginners i truly believe this is pinning material __________________ SUPPLEMENTS.NET REP

03-15-2007, 05:45 AM	#9
Succio IronMass Sponsor Join Date: May 2006 Location: beastville Posts: 1,942 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 97	bump owww my head __________________ SUPPLEMENTS.NET REP

03-15-2007, 01:24 PM	#10
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,770 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 216	if you edited this and tweaked the formatting a little bit i think it would make a great sticky. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

03-16-2007, 04:08 AM	#11
Succio IronMass Sponsor Join Date: May 2006 Location: beastville Posts: 1,942 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 97	hmm you're right, will do sometime __________________ SUPPLEMENTS.NET REP

03-18-2007, 02:17 AM	#12
Succio IronMass Sponsor Join Date: May 2006 Location: beastville Posts: 1,942 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 97	i cant edit them anymore __________________ SUPPLEMENTS.NET REP