(rant) Supplement board reps discussion, reps keep out :P

**skelooth** · 08-06-2006, 01:32 AM

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Is it me... or.... is.... *EVERYONE* a board rep lately? The people I used to post with when I first got into bbing are now all for the most part board reps, and a very large percentage of people who've come onto 'the scene' i've talked to in the mean time are all board reps.

What does this say about the supplement industry?

Either A) They honestly care about customer support

or B) They love viral marketing, hype advertisement, and being able to directly interact with a large portion of public opinion through the use of a network of posters on websites.

If you ask me, it's looking more and more like B all the time. I think the amount of board reps on *cough* certain *bb.com*cough* websites has not only hit an all time high, but an all time "low".

I think the Jury has already concluded.... creatine, fish oil, multi, bcaas, whey powder, and ephedrine, maybe another odds and ends here or there are what actually WORK.

Prolab creatine monohydrate: cheap
ON Fish Oil caps: cheap
ON Multi: cheap
AI BCAAs: Inexpensive
AI Whey Blend: cheap
Bolt Ephedrine: Dirt Cheap
NOW MaltoDextrin (CarbGain): Dirt Cheap

hmmmm, is it really a mystery why supplement companies might feel the need to populate websites with people who will constantly vouch for and recommend their products? The basic supplements that can help *supplement* (while by no means necessary) your training program are very inexpensive, available from a zillion companies, and WORK.

What are the supplement companies pushing? 80% of it is purely magic potions who's performance vs price ratio is just not worth it. The rest is the same things that have been around forever in different quantities in a new fancier label.

Sure, maybe some of it works... but I think we can all agree, if it works, it will become popular on it's own accord, because people will get RESULTS with or without 3 supplement board reps holding their hand.

Also I may be guilty of running many supplement logs myself, but back in the day before the supplement board rep invasion... logs MEANT A DAMN. Ever since controlled lab's red acid fiasco I've found that sponsoring logs is just another viral marketing tactic. You give someone a retail value $30 bottle of placebo for free, tell them to write a log, and as long as their training and diet are on key they see progress and shout from the roof tops how great the product is. The more you give out, the more chance you have of this happening, and when multiple people do it it's even more viral.

People like to make fun of MuscleTech Ads in magazines.... when's the last time you saw an Ad for Lipo6 where some 240lb slob goes to 180lbs and competes in like 12 weeks.... ? THEY PRINT ADS LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME!!!

This whole industry of supplements can just be the largest crock of **** sometimes.

There are very few companies I still have respect for, and most of that respect comes from either the quality, price, or ingredient lists of their products.

**Peaked_18** · 08-06-2006, 01:39 AM

I agree, I hate all of them and want them to die. They are all worthy to die.

Buy in bulk not in companies.

**skelooth** · 08-06-2006, 01:42 AM

LOL I don't know if I want them to die a slow painful death or anything lol, but the hijinx of the 'industry' of magic potions is disheartening.

And yeah... Bulk is the way to go.

**Peaked_18** · 08-06-2006, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by skelooth

LOL I don't know if I want them to die a slow painful death or anything lol, but the hijinx of the 'industry' of magic potions is disheartening.

And yeah... Bulk is the way to go.

LOL I was just messing. Come in threads and link to their products for whatever purposes. Buy in bulk!

Brent · 08-06-2006, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

LOL I was just messing. Come in threads and link to their products for whatever purposes. Buy in bulk!

I have never done that.

Oh crap! I can't be in the thread!!!

**Peaked_18** · 08-06-2006, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Brent

I have never done that.

Oh crap! I can't be in the thread!!!

Damn spammer!!!

Brent · 08-06-2006, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

Damn spammer!!!

lol

Sorry, I just automatically reply to all of Skelooth's threads.

**DJSTARER** · 08-06-2006, 04:15 AM

this is my type of thread.

I'm not against any of them personally, but when I get told "Is that a protein shake? You must lift a lot!" It really drives home the pro-supp push all the companies infultrate even NON LIFTERS' minds. As if protein is the end all and be all of growth. That is the biggest newb mistake in a so called "quality BBing diet." They take too many supplements and put too much of an emphasis on protein. The fact is, although some exceptions, food is the most anabolic substance.

You can eat 7000 kcals a day and no gear, and you will grow like a BEAST. You can take all the gear, chemicals, and junk you want, and eat 1500 kcals...do you think anything will happen? Don't think so....

With that said. Many supplements are great for what they are: SUPPLEMENTS. I supplement my diet with protein powder because is it portable and fast acting. Not to mention it is the cheapest source of protein available to me. I did the math. It beats out milk and egg. Essential, but Iron-Tek keeps my nitrogen balance positive while I work and live life so I don't have to always be cooking.

I know whenever I can, it is must better to eat tuna, not a supplement.

**skelooth** · 08-06-2006, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJSTARER

this is my type of thread.

I'm not against any of them personally, but when I get told "Is that a protein shake? You must lift a lot!" It really drives home the pro-supp push all the companies infultrate even NON LIFTERS' minds. As if protein is the end all and be all of growth. That is the biggest newb mistake in a so called "quality BBing diet." They take too many supplements and put too much of an emphasis on protein. The fact is, although some exceptions, food is the most anabolic substance.

You can eat 7000 kcals a day and no gear, and you will grow like a BEAST. You can take all the gear, chemicals, and junk you want, and eat 1500 kcals...do you think anything will happen? Don't think so....

With that said. Many supplements are great for what they are: SUPPLEMENTS. I supplement my diet with protein powder because is it portable and fast acting. Not to mention it is the cheapest source of protein available to me. I did the math. It beats out milk and egg. Essential, but Iron-Tek keeps my nitrogen balance positive while I work and live life so I don't have to always be cooking.

I know whenever I can, it is must better to eat tuna, not a supplement.

word.

A lot of kids think that bodybuilding = supplements. When, you don't really need them. This guy at the gym where I work asked "so.... what supplement will help make me big?" and I said.... Food.

CROWLER · 08-06-2006, 06:28 AM

I have to agree with about 99% of this thread. Please dont' ask me which 1% I do not because I don't know lol

I have been hesitant to have boards reps because I sort of looked upon them with some degree of disdain before having a sup company online. Then I saw 2 posts by people I respect saying they were upset with a particular company because there was never anyone on the board from that co to answer questions.

So I rethought a little and figured well I could have a couple board reps spread over 8 - 10 boards and see how it goes. I love relaxing and reading the thread on various boards and answering questions but sometimes I don't have enough time to get to them.

So if not board reps then what?

Or should there be a generalized guideline to what a sup rep should act like.

Hey no joke without you guys buying sups we sup companies are DEAD so you do have power BUT it seems there are always new guys coming on the boards so even if a sup company SPAMS all day it only hits the old timers like us.

I like to think I try as hard as I can to listen, hear and respond to suggestions, complaints, criticisms etc so let me know if you could and thank you in advance.

CROWLER

**Jayhawkk** · 08-06-2006, 07:36 AM

In my case when I was helping out Crowler. It was basically to help with questions about the products and to point them in the right direction. In my case 'board rep' was synonymous with customer service. It just gave Crowler a way to further help his customers he already had.

But I do agree wtih a lot of what you say Skel.

CROWLER · 08-06-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

In my case when I was helping out Crowler. It was basically to help with questions about the products and to point them in the right direction. In my case 'board rep' was synonymous with customer service. It just gave Crowler a way to further help his customers he already had.

But I do agree wtih a lot of what you say Skel.

See this is EXACTLY why Jay is helping. He was a customer and I can't even remember how it was he started helping answer questions.

I am NOT kidding when I say I have literally BEGGED him to accept a few supplements as a way of saying thank you. He said no thank you and placed an order and PAID for it.

He always said no that he liked the products and wanted to help however he could.

Finally after I asked him to help me find some ingredients etc etc and he spent MANY hours I asked again and I sent him a few sups to test for free. My cost on these items wouldn't pay him $.50 and hour for all the time he has put in.

I am TRULY blessed and recognize it.

Thank you my friend, you really are a God send.

CROWLER

**jkeithc82** · 08-06-2006, 10:34 AM

What is so hilarious about this thread is, that if one were to travel to BB.com and look at the recent "Product Testing" threads, skelooth is whoring in several of them (Thermolife, Designer Supplements, etc.).

Have you ever been to an Expo at the Arnold or Olympia skel? Supplement companies do not generate all the money to set those booths up by posting on an internet message board. What is absolutely hilarious is that message board such as BB.com contribute probably <1% of a companies actual revenue (the message board discussion, not the superstore). Do you think if you skel run a log on "X-supplement" and have sub-par results, that would affect anything? lmao.

What saddens me is the lack of business understanding from most people. 99% of these board reps don't even get paid, another 80% of the CEO's that run these companies don't even post nor care about what goes on in message boards. Half of the named board reps are barely even active themselves.

What also gets me, is the people who rarely ever frequent the Supplement forums, and when they finally do, its to either A). Bitch at the marketing (Supplements is a business remember), board reps, supplements in general or B). Whore themselves for free stuff (you are guilty of both in this instance skel). Its sort of akin to that person who wanders into the AAS forum and makes a thread "You guys are all cheating! Steroids can kill you!!." Ironic how the "board reps" have gotten so out of hand, but if anyone of them dangles a free bottle in front of your eyes, you'll jump, jump, JUMP for it.

So, I'm sick of board reps, but I'll whore as much as I can for free supplements? lmao

**Jayhawkk** · 08-06-2006, 11:14 AM

Crowler, i'd tell it to anybody. You're one hell of a businessman and have earned my respect over and over again. The honor is all mine, brother.

**Peaked_18** · 08-06-2006, 03:39 PM

Did you guys send out my package for the 1 lb. whey isolate for winning the flavor contest?

Brent · 08-06-2006, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkeithc82

What saddens me is the lack of business understanding from most people. 99% of these board reps don't even get paid,
another 80% of the CEO's that run these companies don't even post nor care about what goes on in message boards.

Lets not talk about the first part!

The 2nd part (about the CEOs) is not true for the company I am a rep for. I am sure you know that jkeith

**skelooth** · 08-06-2006, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkeithc82

What is so hilarious about this thread is, that if one were to travel to BB.com and look at the recent "Product Testing" threads, skelooth is wh

08-06-2006, 01:32 AM	#1
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,202 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	(rant) Supplement board reps discussion, reps keep out :P .... Is it me... or.... is.... EVERYONE a board rep lately? The people I used to post with when I first got into bbing are now all for the most part board reps, and a very large percentage of people who've come onto 'the scene' i've talked to in the mean time are all board reps. What does this say about the supplement industry? Either A) They honestly care about customer support or B) They love viral marketing, hype advertisement, and being able to directly interact with a large portion of public opinion through the use of a network of posters on websites. If you ask me, it's looking more and more like B all the time. I think the amount of board reps on cough certain bb.comcough* websites has not only hit an all time high, but an all time "low". I think the Jury has already concluded.... creatine, fish oil, multi, bcaas, whey powder, and ephedrine, maybe another odds and ends here or there are what actually WORK. Prolab creatine monohydrate: cheap ON Fish Oil caps: cheap ON Multi: cheap AI BCAAs: Inexpensive AI Whey Blend: cheap Bolt Ephedrine: Dirt Cheap NOW MaltoDextrin (CarbGain): Dirt Cheap hmmmm, is it really a mystery why supplement companies might feel the need to populate websites with people who will constantly vouch for and recommend their products? The basic supplements that can help supplement (while by no means necessary) your training program are very inexpensive, available from a zillion companies, and WORK. What are the supplement companies pushing? 80% of it is purely magic potions who's performance vs price ratio is just not worth it. The rest is the same things that have been around forever in different quantities in a new fancier label. Sure, maybe some of it works... but I think we can all agree, if it works, it will become popular on it's own accord, because people will get RESULTS with or without 3 supplement board reps holding their hand. Also I may be guilty of running many supplement logs myself, but back in the day before the supplement board rep invasion... logs MEANT A DAMN. Ever since controlled lab's red acid fiasco I've found that sponsoring logs is just another viral marketing tactic. You give someone a retail value $30 bottle of placebo for free, tell them to write a log, and as long as their training and diet are on key they see progress and shout from the roof tops how great the product is. The more you give out, the more chance you have of this happening, and when multiple people do it it's even more viral. People like to make fun of MuscleTech Ads in magazines.... when's the last time you saw an Ad for Lipo6 where some 240lb slob goes to 180lbs and competes in like 12 weeks.... ? THEY PRINT ADS LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME!!! This whole industry of supplements can just be the largest crock of **** sometimes. There are very few companies I still have respect for, and most of that respect comes from either the quality, price, or ingredient lists of their products. __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

08-06-2006, 01:42 AM	#3
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,202 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	LOL I don't know if I want them to die a slow painful death or anything lol, but the hijinx of the 'industry' of magic potions is disheartening. And yeah... Bulk is the way to go. __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

08-06-2006, 04:15 AM	#8
DJSTARER eating more folate... Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 4,049 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 114	this is my type of thread. I'm not against any of them personally, but when I get told "Is that a protein shake? You must lift a lot!" It really drives home the pro-supp push all the companies infultrate even NON LIFTERS' minds. As if protein is the end all and be all of growth. That is the biggest newb mistake in a so called "quality BBing diet." They take too many supplements and put too much of an emphasis on protein. The fact is, although some exceptions, food is the most anabolic substance. You can eat 7000 kcals a day and no gear, and you will grow like a BEAST. You can take all the gear, chemicals, and junk you want, and eat 1500 kcals...do you think anything will happen? Don't think so.... With that said. Many supplements are great for what they are: SUPPLEMENTS. I supplement my diet with protein powder because is it portable and fast acting. Not to mention it is the cheapest source of protein available to me. I did the math. It beats out milk and egg. Essential, but Iron-Tek keeps my nitrogen balance positive while I work and live life so I don't have to always be cooking. I know whenever I can, it is must better to eat tuna, not a supplement. __________________ My philosophies on training: "Extreme training yields extreme results" "Just because you can, does not mean you should" "The best program is the one you are not doing" Penn State Powerlifting-181 lb weightclass PGA Professional of America Current Stats: 474 Squat 601 Deadlift 320 Bench Goals for next training cycle: 500lbs squat and a total over 1400 in competition

08-06-2006, 07:36 AM	#11
Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,106 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	In my case when I was helping out Crowler. It was basically to help with questions about the products and to point them in the right direction. In my case 'board rep' was synonymous with customer service. It just gave Crowler a way to further help his customers he already had. But I do agree wtih a lot of what you say Skel. __________________ Nutraplanet.com for all your supplement needs! ------------------------------ Hangin's too good for 'em! BURNIN'S too good for 'em! They should be ripped into itsy-bitsy little pieces and BURIED ALIVE!

08-06-2006, 10:34 AM	#13
jkeithc82 Moderating Wizard Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 698 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 13	What is so hilarious about this thread is, that if one were to travel to BB.com and look at the recent "Product Testing" threads, skelooth is whoring in several of them (Thermolife, Designer Supplements, etc.). Have you ever been to an Expo at the Arnold or Olympia skel? Supplement companies do not generate all the money to set those booths up by posting on an internet message board. What is absolutely hilarious is that message board such as BB.com contribute probably <1% of a companies actual revenue (the message board discussion, not the superstore). Do you think if you skel run a log on "X-supplement" and have sub-par results, that would affect anything? lmao. What saddens me is the lack of business understanding from most people. 99% of these board reps don't even get paid, another 80% of the CEO's that run these companies don't even post nor care about what goes on in message boards. Half of the named board reps are barely even active themselves. What also gets me, is the people who rarely ever frequent the Supplement forums, and when they finally do, its to either A). Bitch at the marketing (Supplements is a business remember), board reps, supplements in general or B). Whore themselves for free stuff (you are guilty of both in this instance skel). Its sort of akin to that person who wanders into the AAS forum and makes a thread "You guys are all cheating! Steroids can kill you!!." Ironic how the "board reps" have gotten so out of hand, but if anyone of them dangles a free bottle in front of your eyes, you'll jump, jump, JUMP for it. So, I'm sick of board reps, but I'll whore as much as I can for free supplements? lmao __________________ Last edited by jkeithc82 : 08-06-2006 at 11:18 AM.

08-06-2006, 01:39 AM	#2
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,247 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	I agree, I hate all of them and want them to die. They are all worthy to die. Buy in bulk not in companies.

08-06-2006, 06:28 AM	#10
CROWLER Pro Stature Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 264 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	I have to agree with about 99% of this thread. Please dont' ask me which 1% I do not because I don't know lol I have been hesitant to have boards reps because I sort of looked upon them with some degree of disdain before having a sup company online. Then I saw 2 posts by people I respect saying they were upset with a particular company because there was never anyone on the board from that co to answer questions. So I rethought a little and figured well I could have a couple board reps spread over 8 - 10 boards and see how it goes. I love relaxing and reading the thread on various boards and answering questions but sometimes I don't have enough time to get to them. So if not board reps then what? Or should there be a generalized guideline to what a sup rep should act like. Hey no joke without you guys buying sups we sup companies are DEAD so you do have power BUT it seems there are always new guys coming on the boards so even if a sup company SPAMS all day it only hits the old timers like us. I like to think I try as hard as I can to listen, hear and respond to suggestions, complaints, criticisms etc so let me know if you could and thank you in advance. CROWLER

08-06-2006, 11:14 AM	#14
Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,106 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	Crowler, i'd tell it to anybody. You're one hell of a businessman and have earned my respect over and over again. The honor is all mine, brother. __________________ Nutraplanet.com for all your supplement needs! ------------------------------ Hangin's too good for 'em! BURNIN'S too good for 'em! They should be ripped into itsy-bitsy little pieces and BURIED ALIVE!

08-06-2006, 03:39 PM	#15
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,247 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	Did you guys send out my package for the 1 lb. whey isolate for winning the flavor contest?