Opinions on Ecdysten?

**skelooth** · 07-23-2006, 03:32 PM

I'm going to be doing a sponsored log of it soon....

What do you guys think of Thermolife's Ecdysterone product? I'm getting mixed reviews. A lot of the research articles are talking about some pretty damn high dosages....

Some people seem to love this stuff though? Have any of you used it?

**Blap Blaow** · 07-23-2006, 03:35 PM

I think part of a good review is to go in with no expectations

**skelooth** · 07-23-2006, 03:38 PM

You're just mad cos I'm getting two sustain bars.

Kind of like the twix commercial...

**antihero** · 07-23-2006, 04:18 PM

well, i dont really know what to think of it...somethings i read on it show how useful it potentially could be...and then other things i read completly negate whatever i read before. im definetly gonna look foreward to this log tho

**skelooth** · 07-23-2006, 04:24 PM

yup. I will give myself credit for always keeping my logs fair. I've had to give two pretty lousy reviews in the past, and it tore my heart out, but it was the right thing to do.

Cookie Dough · 07-24-2006, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by skelooth

I'm going to be doing a sponsored log of it soon....

What do you guys think of Thermolife's Ecdysterone product? I'm getting mixed reviews. A lot of the research articles are talking about some pretty damn high dosages....

Some people seem to love this stuff though? Have any of you used it?

I used one bottle and didnt even use it right as took 3 one day next day would forget took 1 than next day forgot ,etc thus dont do logs lol.
Yet it worked and ordered it again but havent started taking it yet. I reviewed it an another co I used to buy from with forum which dont buy from anymore most liked it . You will notice it within first 5 days kick in .
No side effects at all so dont worry other than you will be impotent for the rest of your life . Other than that its fine .

Lol no I am kiddding no side effects in the slightest and its not a test booster so thats good . recup is great on it

**Blap Blaow** · 07-24-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by skelooth

You're just mad cos I'm getting two sustain bars.

Kind of like the twix commercial...

stonecoldtruth · 07-24-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Blap Blaow

Did you not see me offering to give you one of my bars if Uhockey ok'ed it? I would do it Blap, international protein bar delivery system!

SCT

**Jayhawkk** · 07-24-2006, 04:29 PM

Just decide what kind of run you're going to do. ie regular dose or higther dose and let the review begin...Did I read that right where you gave them two bad reveiws already? Or that you have given two bad ones in the past but they were different products?

stonecoldtruth · 07-24-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

Just decide what kind of run you're going to do. ie regular dose or higther dose and let the review begin...Did I read that right where you gave them two bad reveiws already? Or that you have given two bad ones in the past but they were different products?

He has only had two other product logs where he gave bad reviews..

To Skellyzor - I think you will like Ecdysten, I do feel that most ECDY products are low dosed at the moment for financial reasons, but from the reviews I've seen Thermolife has the most solid ECDY product on the market today. You could also look into some Bioperine or Naringen to enhance the bioavailability/effect of the Ecdysten.

SCT

**NYCmitch25** · 07-25-2006, 02:17 AM

IMO crappola

**powerman2000** · 07-25-2006, 08:53 AM

Ecdy is just another supp in a long and growing list of BS supps that only take your money after making ridiculous promises. It's scientifically unproven, which is why they all use the word, "may", when it comes to any results claims.

Anybody who will tell you they had good gains or results is having a good ol fashioned placebo or it was something else they were doing at the same time, like eating more food.

Ecdy is nothing but CRAP!!!

"20-Hydroxyecdysterone

Ecdysterone (ECDY) has been around for a while. Interest in Ecdy first developed after Burdette (1962) found that protein synthesis was increased in mammalian tissue after administration of ECDY. Next, eastern scientists named Hikino et al (1969) and Otaka et al (1969) both found ECDY to have anabolic effects in mice. In the 1980’s, Chinese and Russian Olympians began using ECDY as a performance enhancer. Ecdy never really became popular in the United States until recently, but many users were not impressed. The problem there lies in not getting enough of the active photoecdysteroid 20-Hydroxyecdysterone. Companies were using either low percent extracts or not dosing their capsules high enough. Anecdotal feedback from users who have used a large amount of 20-Hydroxyecdysterone has been impressive, and here is why."

This is all true, however, we are not mice and there are no studies that make reports like this that involve humans.

Gee, I wonder why?

**powerman2000** · 07-25-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NYCmitch25

IMO crappola

You know it brutha

comfortable_pants · 07-25-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by powerman2000

Ecdy is nothing but CRAP!!!

the large majority of people who have used good ecdysterone products will disagree with you, but i guess you didn't waste your time with reading the feedback or trying it yourself.

**warriors** · 07-25-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by powerman2000

Ecdy is just another supp in a long and growing list of BS supps that only take your money after making ridiculous promises. It's scientifically unproven, which is why they all use the word, "may", when it comes to any results claims.

Anybody who will tell you they had good gains or results is having a good ol fashioned placebo or it was something else they were doing at the same time, like eating more food.

Ecdy is nothing but CRAP!!!

"20-Hydroxyecdysterone

Ecdysterone (ECDY) has been around for a while. Interest in Ecdy first developed after Burdette (1962) found that protein synthesis was increased in mammalian tissue after administration of ECDY. Next, eastern scientists named Hikino et al (1969) and Otaka et al (1969) both found ECDY to have anabolic effects in mice. In the 1980’s, Chinese and Russian Olympians began using ECDY as a performance enhancer. Ecdy never really became popular in the United States until recently, but many users were not impressed. The problem there lies in not getting enough of the active photoecdysteroid 20-Hydroxyecdysterone. Companies were using either low percent extracts or not dosing their capsules high enough. Anecdotal feedback from users who have used a large amount of 20-Hydroxyecdysterone has been impressive, and here is why."

This is all true, however, we are not mice and there are no studies that make reports like this that involve humans.

Gee, I wonder why?

Ecdysterone isnt "crap" it's just a matter of finding a company with a good extract and getting the dosage right.

**powerman2000** · 07-26-2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by comfortable_pants

the large majority of people who have used good ecdysterone products will disagree with you, but i guess you didn't waste your time with reading the feedback or trying it yourself.

You guessed wrong, smart ass.

Like I said, placebo can be very strong and it's most likely that many peeps who use Ecdy also at the same time increase their food intake and the food is the real reason for any gains made.

Where are the independent studies on human beings???

**Jayhawkk** · 07-26-2006, 01:41 AM

Closest thing to popcorn I could find

07-23-2006, 03:32 PM	#1
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,205 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	Opinions on Ecdysten? I'm going to be doing a sponsored log of it soon.... What do you guys think of Thermolife's Ecdysterone product? I'm getting mixed reviews. A lot of the research articles are talking about some pretty damn high dosages.... Some people seem to love this stuff though? Have any of you used it? __________________ R I P

07-23-2006, 03:35 PM	#2
Blap Blaow IronMass Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 950 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 32	I think part of a good review is to go in with no expectations __________________ Blapmungous™

07-23-2006, 03:38 PM	#3
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,205 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	You're just mad cos I'm getting two sustain bars. Kind of like the twix commercial... __________________ R I P

07-23-2006, 04:18 PM	#4
antihero Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,688 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 33	well, i dont really know what to think of it...somethings i read on it show how useful it potentially could be...and then other things i read completly negate whatever i read before. im definetly gonna look foreward to this log tho __________________ ****************** Disclaimer: Information given by me is my personal opinion. It cannot be considered medical advice and does not represent the official opinion of a company that is not a sponsor here. ******************

07-23-2006, 04:24 PM	#5
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,205 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	yup. I will give myself credit for always keeping my logs fair. I've had to give two pretty lousy reviews in the past, and it tore my heart out, but it was the right thing to do. __________________ R I P

07-24-2006, 04:29 PM	#9
Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,106 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	Just decide what kind of run you're going to do. ie regular dose or higther dose and let the review begin...Did I read that right where you gave them two bad reveiws already? Or that you have given two bad ones in the past but they were different products? __________________ Nutraplanet.com for all your supplement needs! ------------------------------ Hangin's too good for 'em! BURNIN'S too good for 'em! They should be ripped into itsy-bitsy little pieces and BURIED ALIVE!

07-25-2006, 02:17 AM	#11
NYCmitch25 Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,117 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 52	IMO crappola

07-25-2006, 08:53 AM	#12
powerman2000 The Old Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,245 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 203	Ecdy is just another supp in a long and growing list of BS supps that only take your money after making ridiculous promises. It's scientifically unproven, which is why they all use the word, "may", when it comes to any results claims. Anybody who will tell you they had good gains or results is having a good ol fashioned placebo or it was something else they were doing at the same time, like eating more food. Ecdy is nothing but CRAP!!! "20-Hydroxyecdysterone Ecdysterone (ECDY) has been around for a while. Interest in Ecdy first developed after Burdette (1962) found that protein synthesis was increased in mammalian tissue after administration of ECDY. Next, eastern scientists named Hikino et al (1969) and Otaka et al (1969) both found ECDY to have anabolic effects in mice. In the 1980’s, Chinese and Russian Olympians began using ECDY as a performance enhancer. Ecdy never really became popular in the United States until recently, but many users were not impressed. The problem there lies in not getting enough of the active photoecdysteroid 20-Hydroxyecdysterone. Companies were using either low percent extracts or not dosing their capsules high enough. Anecdotal feedback from users who have used a large amount of 20-Hydroxyecdysterone has been impressive, and here is why." This is all true, however, we are not mice and there are no studies that make reports like this that involve humans. Gee, I wonder why? __________________ Don't forget to periodize Best BP 507 lbs competitive Best Squat 705 lbs competitive Best DL 650 lbs competitive Guns don't kill people, men who come home early do. My workout log http://www.ironmass.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6247

07-26-2006, 01:41 AM	#17
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