low-/non-stimulant fat burners

strester · 11-14-2006, 05:02 PM

I've just finished my second bottle of cAMP and looking for another low-/non-stimulant fat burner. This doesn't need to be strictly night time supplementation. I've read some logs of Basic Cuts and it looks like it might be what I'm looking for. Venom Lean Dreams appears to be for sleep and recovery and less for fat burning (although it promotes fat oxidation based on my research).

My problem is that stimulants tend to hit me fairly hard so I try to avoid them during the day so I'm not a jittery mess during the day at work. I use AX Rampage before cardio for the extra rush on my cardio days, but won't use it as part of a daily dosing schedule.

What do you fellow IM'ers recommend? Can you post links to any reviews I may have missed if you have a recommendation?

Thanks in advance -

strester · 11-16-2006, 12:39 AM

looks like Dicana might be the way to go for non-stimulant fat burning ....

**NYCmitch25** · 11-16-2006, 02:04 AM

tredmill

strester · 11-16-2006, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYCmitch25

tredmill

already part of my cardio regimen ... I'm looking into supplementation to assist with fat burning on non-cardio days

**madman911** · 11-16-2006, 01:09 PM

If you're serious about getting lean, your number of non-cardio days should only be 1 or 2. If you're really crazy serious about getting lean, you should even consider doing cardio 2X a day. Make sure your diet is perfect.

I've personally used Sesamin, CLA, Lipo 6, and the ALRI Venom Tri-Lean System. All were good in terms of results I had on while on them, but I also had great results without them too. If cardio and diet are on point, the effects of any fat loss supplements are hard to measure... they don't really help all that much. If you have money to burn, try Sesamin or Venom special tactics + Lean dreams. But upping cardio and tightening the diet are always the first things to do when looking to take fat loss to the next level.

strester · 11-16-2006, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madman911

If you're serious about getting lean, your number of non-cardio days should only be 1 or 2. If you're really crazy serious about getting lean, you should even consider doing cardio 2X a day. Make sure your diet is perfect.

I've personally used Sesamin, CLA, Lipo 6, and the ALRI Venom Tri-Lean System. All were good in terms of results I had on while on them, but I also had great results without them too. If cardio and diet are on point, the effects of any fat loss supplements are hard to measure... they don't really help all that much. If you have money to burn, try Sesamin or Venom special tactics + Lean dreams. But upping cardio and tightening the diet are always the first things to do when looking to take fat loss to the next level.

thanks madman ... right now i'm working an upper/lower split every other day:
upperA/cardio/lowerA/cardio/upperB/cardio/lowerB/cardio/repeat and cardio is first thing in the morning on an empty stomach ... I'm already taking sesamin 3-4 times a day with meals, and finally starting to get the diet in check ... maybe that's all I need

appreciate the input, madman

**madman911** · 11-16-2006, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strester

thanks madman ... right now i'm working an upper/lower split every other day:
upperA/cardio/lowerA/cardio/upperB/cardio/lowerB/cardio/repeat and cardio is first thing in the morning on an empty stomach ... I'm already taking sesamin 3-4 times a day with meals, and finally starting to get the diet in check ... maybe that's all I need

appreciate the input, madman

I am completely and totally against cardio on an empty stomach... it's a prescription for catabolism. I would suggest you take in at least 30 grams of whey and even a small amount of carbs (10-20 grams of dextrose) before your cardio... as well as use a BCAA drink like XTend or Excell during your cardio. Eating before and after cardio is as important as eating before and after a lifting session... it will not impede your fat loss, trust me, I've lost 50 lbs of blubber in the last 8 months.

strester · 11-16-2006, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madman911

I am completely and totally against cardio on an empty stomach... it's a prescription for catabolism. I would suggest you take in at least 30 grams of whey and even a small amount of carbs (10-20 grams of dextrose) before your cardio... as well as use a BCAA drink like XTend or Excell during your cardio. Eating before and after cardio is as important as eating before and after a lifting session... it will not impede your fat loss, trust me, I've lost 50 lbs of blubber in the last 8 months.

sorry ... I left that out .. I sip on 1 serving of Xtend during my cardio sessions ... always have a nice shake after cardio, but not before ... I don't have any dex on hand .... maybe 1/4 cup of oats and some whey would suffice pre-cardio

**madman911** · 11-16-2006, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strester

sorry ... I left that out .. I sip on 1 serving of Xtend during my cardio sessions ... always have a nice shake after cardio, but not before ... I don't have any dex on hand .... maybe 1/4 cup of oats and some whey would suffice pre-cardio

At least have the whey pre- and XTend during... carbs help, but protein is crucial. Dex is cheap... get some, it comes in very handy.

11-14-2006, 05:02 PM	#1
strester Pro Stature Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gold's Gym Posts: 135 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	low-/non-stimulant fat burners I've just finished my second bottle of cAMP and looking for another low-/non-stimulant fat burner. This doesn't need to be strictly night time supplementation. I've read some logs of Basic Cuts and it looks like it might be what I'm looking for. Venom Lean Dreams appears to be for sleep and recovery and less for fat burning (although it promotes fat oxidation based on my research). My problem is that stimulants tend to hit me fairly hard so I try to avoid them during the day so I'm not a jittery mess during the day at work. I use AX Rampage before cardio for the extra rush on my cardio days, but won't use it as part of a daily dosing schedule. What do you fellow IM'ers recommend? Can you post links to any reviews I may have missed if you have a recommendation? Thanks in advance - __________________ strester vs. genetics: Phase 1 - the Green MAGnitude log: http://www.ironmass.com/showthread.php?t=7577 Phase 2 - the Steel-belted Radial log: http://www.ironmass.com/showthread.p...610#post176610

11-16-2006, 12:39 AM	#2
strester Pro Stature Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gold's Gym Posts: 135 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	looks like Dicana might be the way to go for non-stimulant fat burning .... __________________ strester vs. genetics: Phase 1 - the Green MAGnitude log: http://www.ironmass.com/showthread.php?t=7577 Phase 2 - the Steel-belted Radial log: http://www.ironmass.com/showthread.p...610#post176610

11-16-2006, 02:04 AM	#3
NYCmitch25 Silver Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,102 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 51	tredmill __________________ "I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." - Rollins

11-16-2006, 01:09 PM	#5
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,532 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 61	If you're serious about getting lean, your number of non-cardio days should only be 1 or 2. If you're really crazy serious about getting lean, you should even consider doing cardio 2X a day. Make sure your diet is perfect. I've personally used Sesamin, CLA, Lipo 6, and the ALRI Venom Tri-Lean System. All were good in terms of results I had on while on them, but I also had great results without them too. If cardio and diet are on point, the effects of any fat loss supplements are hard to measure... they don't really help all that much. If you have money to burn, try Sesamin or Venom special tactics + Lean dreams. But upping cardio and tightening the diet are always the first things to do when looking to take fat loss to the next level. __________________ Millennium Sport Technologies Sponsored Athlete http://www.millenniumsport.net IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

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