Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA

**skelooth** · 04-25-2007, 08:36 PM

Thoughts? The write ups for things like leviathan sound waaaaaaaaaaaaay too good to be true.

Palo Alto Labs brings you the newest fat burner on the market. With Leviathan, a cutting phase is no longer necessary to make sure you are lean and ripped enough for competition. Leviathan will shred you up fast while enabling you to continue to pack on the slabs of ultra dense lean muscle you’re going to need to dominate. Never again will you have to sacrifice those hard fought for muscle gains in order to cut fat.

**romanaz** · 04-25-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by skelooth

Thoughts? The write ups for things like leviathan sound waaaaaaaaaaaaay too good to be true.

Palo Alto Labs brings you the newest fat burner on the market. With Leviathan, a cutting phase is no longer necessary to make sure you are lean and ripped enough for competition. Leviathan will shred you up fast while enabling you to continue to pack on the slabs of ultra dense lean muscle you’re going to need to dominate. Never again will you have to sacrifice those hard fought for muscle gains in order to cut fat.

I'll be logging Leviathan after my WTF Pump'd :-D

I will tell you though, with Biotest Hot Rox Extreme I lost 2lbs in 4 weeks. I also lost 3% BF while only dropping 2lbs. So I lost 6.59lbs of fat and gained near 5lbs LBM. Thats if my BF% testing machine is right.

Can you do that with ECA?

**Jayhawkk** · 04-25-2007, 09:24 PM

My thoughts are that they may work but there's more of a long term record of the effects of ECY. I mean if you're getting good results from that stack then I don't believe you're going to get a huge difference in results using the new gen stuff. Venom works wonders for me and I used to use it in between ECY but then decided to manipulate my diet while off of any stims to allow for a better recovery...I wish I would of done that sooner before trying to test the limits of my body that I regret doing now.

**Jayhawkk** · 04-25-2007, 09:25 PM

If your diet is somewhat good a proper dosed ECY stack can be lethal to BF.

**madman911** · 04-26-2007, 12:21 AM

As far as supp claims go... if it sounds to good to be true, it is. There are no fat burners that will allow you to bulk and not gain body fat. Personally, I've found that Venom Hyperdrive works just as well for me as ECA did. I also think Sesamin works great, it's definitely the best non-stim fat burner I've tried. Venom with Sesamin is a potent fat loss stack IMO.

**Peaked_18** · 04-26-2007, 12:22 AM

Anyone else feel like shit when on stims?

**skelooth** · 04-26-2007, 12:26 AM

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Venom with Sesamin is a potent fat loss stack IMO.

But price wise it's out of the ball park unfortunately.

I like how most stims make me feel.

Especially ephedrine

**Jayhawkk** · 04-26-2007, 01:00 AM

I feel like shit if i go beyond 3 weeks on average and i feel like shit if I don't ramp down and try and just quit but while on I feel great.

**DarkFalcon** · 04-26-2007, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

Anyone else feel like shit when on stims?

Yup, I avoid them completely or near enough anyway beyond caffine.

**Peaked_18** · 04-26-2007, 10:24 AM

I usually will pop a caffeine cap before an exam, but a year ago when I had a bunch of things...It was horrible.

**Ikaika** · 04-26-2007, 02:32 PM

I'm the same way Peaked...I feel like a dogs ass when I'm on all that stuff, I can't focus at work and I'm jittery as hell.

**mr_min** · 04-26-2007, 03:58 PM

i love the jitters....bring my back to the days....of fun.....

im a speed-freak.... especially at the gym..i crave the rush

DJohnson · 04-26-2007, 05:06 PM

I don't use either anymore because I'm convinced it's all in your mind. The fat loss anyways.

**Peaked_18** · 04-26-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikaika

I'm the same way Peaked...I feel like a dogs ass when I'm on all that stuff, I can't focus at work and I'm jittery as hell.

It can help me focus, but when I'm sitting there my eye twitches, my fingers are twitching...it's annoying.

I got to space it out.

**Ikaika** · 04-26-2007, 09:24 PM

Meh I shake worse on normal fat burners than I do on albuterol so I never even screw with them anymore.

stonecoldtruth · 05-02-2007, 06:05 AM

If we are going from a pure stim standpoint, I think that ECA or ECY is as potent as ANYTHING else. However, the restrictions in place around here due to the meth issue we have are ridiculous.

From a non-stim standpoint I'm a huge fan of both sesamin and tta based products.

So yeah, there are certainly some good fat burners/stimulants out there, but ECA is still king. </personal opinion>

SCT

**NYCmitch25** · 05-02-2007, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaked_18

Anyone else feel like shit when on stims?

yeah, im done with ephedra

04-25-2007, 08:36 PM	#1
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,183 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 154	Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA Thoughts? The write ups for things like leviathan sound waaaaaaaaaaaaay too good to be true. Palo Alto Labs brings you the newest fat burner on the market. With Leviathan, a cutting phase is no longer necessary to make sure you are lean and ripped enough for competition. Leviathan will shred you up fast while enabling you to continue to pack on the slabs of ultra dense lean muscle you’re going to need to dominate. Never again will you have to sacrifice those hard fought for muscle gains in order to cut fat. __________________

04-25-2007, 09:24 PM	#3
Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,106 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	Re: Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA My thoughts are that they may work but there's more of a long term record of the effects of ECY. I mean if you're getting good results from that stack then I don't believe you're going to get a huge difference in results using the new gen stuff. Venom works wonders for me and I used to use it in between ECY but then decided to manipulate my diet while off of any stims to allow for a better recovery...I wish I would of done that sooner before trying to test the limits of my body that I regret doing now. __________________ Nutraplanet.com for all your supplement needs! ------------------------------ Hangin's too good for 'em! BURNIN'S too good for 'em! They should be ripped into itsy-bitsy little pieces and BURIED ALIVE!

04-25-2007, 09:25 PM	#4
Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,106 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	Re: Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA If your diet is somewhat good a proper dosed ECY stack can be lethal to BF. __________________ Nutraplanet.com for all your supplement needs! ------------------------------ Hangin's too good for 'em! BURNIN'S too good for 'em! They should be ripped into itsy-bitsy little pieces and BURIED ALIVE!

04-26-2007, 12:21 AM	#5
madman911 Metamorphosizing Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston Area Posts: 1,526 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 60	Re: Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA As far as supp claims go... if it sounds to good to be true, it is. There are no fat burners that will allow you to bulk and not gain body fat. Personally, I've found that Venom Hyperdrive works just as well for me as ECA did. I also think Sesamin works great, it's definitely the best non-stim fat burner I've tried. Venom with Sesamin is a potent fat loss stack IMO. __________________ Millennium Sport Technologies Sponsored Athlete http://www.millenniumsport.net IMPC 2006 Novice Division Champ IMPC 2007 Open Division Champ Never underestimate the power of the bandana.

04-26-2007, 12:22 AM	#6
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,247 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	Re: Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA Anyone else feel like shit when on stims?

04-26-2007, 01:00 AM	#8
Jayhawkk Nutraplanet Rep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,106 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	Re: Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA I feel like shit if i go beyond 3 weeks on average and i feel like shit if I don't ramp down and try and just quit but while on I feel great. __________________ Nutraplanet.com for all your supplement needs! ------------------------------ Hangin's too good for 'em! BURNIN'S too good for 'em! They should be ripped into itsy-bitsy little pieces and BURIED ALIVE!

04-26-2007, 10:24 AM	#10
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,247 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	Re: Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA I usually will pop a caffeine cap before an exam, but a year ago when I had a bunch of things...It was horrible.

04-26-2007, 02:32 PM	#11
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,666 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 214	Re: Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA I'm the same way Peaked...I feel like a dogs ass when I'm on all that stuff, I can't focus at work and I'm jittery as hell. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

04-26-2007, 03:58 PM	#12
mr_min IronMass Vip Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: connecticut Posts: 502 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 10	Re: Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA i love the jitters....bring my back to the days....of fun..... im a speed-freak.... especially at the gym..i crave the rush

04-26-2007, 05:06 PM	#13
DJohnson IMPC Contestant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 988 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 44	Re: Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA I don't use either anymore because I'm convinced it's all in your mind. The fat loss anyways. __________________ Age: 21 Height: 5'10.5" Mar, 2001: 135lbs @ ~14% Nov, 2004: 245lbs @ ~40% Feb, 2006: 188lbs @ 20.1% - Hydrostatic Tested Dec, 2006: 168lbs @ 5.5% - 7 Point Caliper Tested BULKING FOR A LONG TIME NOW Long Term Goal: Over 200lbs @ 8%

04-26-2007, 09:24 PM	#15
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,666 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 214	Re: Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA Meh I shake worse on normal fat burners than I do on albuterol so I never even screw with them anymore. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

05-02-2007, 06:05 AM	#16
stonecoldtruth IMPC Contestant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 535 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 12	Re: Latest generation of fat burners, vs ECA If we are going from a pure stim standpoint, I think that ECA or ECY is as potent as ANYTHING else. However, the restrictions in place around here due to the meth issue we have are ridiculous. From a non-stim standpoint I'm a huge fan of both sesamin and tta based products. So yeah, there are certainly some good fat burners/stimulants out there, but ECA is still king. </personal opinion> SCT __________________ Designer Supplements Board Representative www.intelligentdesignmag.com www.designersupps.com josh@designersupps.com To my fellow MIP competitors :bringiton: