Hot Rox Extreme or Venom 3.0?

**romanaz** · 07-16-2007, 05:03 AM

Alright, so I'm setting up my supplement stack for my coming cut, and I got everything right now, except for my BCAA (probably grabbing cheap BCAA from gnc and a bottle of Biotest now that they got it in stock) and my thermogenic.

Now, I'm tossed up between HRX and Venom 3.0

I've used HRX before, I know I'm good with the amount of stims in it, and I know how it affects me and such. One bottle of HRX @ 2pills/twice a day will last me 27.5 days.

I haven't used Venom before, but it looks like it is a good product, and a bottle will last probably 44 days or so, if I take one a day the first day, then 2 a day the rest, if I can handle it (which I'm sure I can).

Now, HRX is 29.99 and Venom is 39.99 on bb.com.

What do you guys think is the better one to take? Right now, I can afford either of them. I'm really trying to stack my odds up to destroy fat in this cut.

To give you an idea of what I'm doing for this:

-Keto cut (2400cals first week then 2100, and I'm keeping the carb up low, maybe 200-300g carbs during it if even that high)
-Lifting m-t-f as all the sources say to do, but lifting will be olympic lifting with some bb exercises. At least one of the major lifts in a session.
-Cardio 3-5 times a week, not super high intensitiy
-more activity, jogs, volleyball, sled work, football, hockey etc...
-Stacking these supps:
Main supps are : Tribex, Rev-Z, Flameout, (HRX Or Venom),
Secondary supps: ZMA, Metabolic Drive low-carb (PWO), Fish oil (15g a day), Multi-V, BCAA's, Whey

Any suggestions for any of this would be appreciated, but I'm mainly looking for the HRX or Venom.

Both are top ranking thermo's from what I can research and read about, but I know personally HRX is good. Should I go out on a limb and try Venom, or stick safely with HRX?

edit:
found venom for 27.99 @ supplements.net

now im def leaning towards venom

danman77220 · 07-16-2007, 06:43 AM

I say Venom bro. When I was taking it it did me some good... When I cut again it's what I'm going to go back to most likely. I have a high resistance to any kind of stim, so if you're like me after the first day I think you could handle 2 caps.

**romanaz** · 07-16-2007, 02:32 PM

yeah, I talked to some others @ the AB board and I'm pretty sure I'm going with venom, I found it for cheaper, and it has 45 days @ 2caps a day so.

:-D

ja_ke · 07-16-2007, 04:51 PM

15g of fish oil? you're going to poop your pants.

**MacTech** · 07-16-2007, 05:09 PM

At your age, Tribex isn't needed.

The Rez-V is good for anti-estrogen, but I would look into something else to help minimize test aromatizing to estrogen.

I like Hot Rox Extreme, but haven't tried Venom.

**romanaz** · 07-16-2007, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ja_ke

15g of fish oil? you're going to poop your pants.

your body gets used to it, but at first, WHOA

**romanaz** · 07-16-2007, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacTech

At your age, Tribex isn't needed.

The Rez-V is good for anti-estrogen, but I would look into something else to help minimize test aromatizing to estrogen.

I like Hot Rox Extreme, but haven't tried Venom.

any suggestions for something to stop test from armoatizing? anything legal? :-D That is definetely a good idea.

Time to research that.

**MacTech** · 07-17-2007, 03:39 AM

Novadex XT by Gaspari. There are several AIs available that are legal,

Link to Novadex

It seemed to work well for me. However, it is only recommended to those 21 and over.

Probably the best is to quit eating foods with estrogen in them too. Think natural foods.

Links to foods containing estrogen

**romanaz** · 07-17-2007, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacTech

Novadex XT by Gaspari. There are several AIs available that are legal,

Link to Novadex

It seemed to work well for me. However, it is only recommended to those 21 and over.

Probably the best is to quit eating foods with estrogen in them too. Think natural foods.

venom is reccommended to 21 and over, but so is Leviathan and that was nothing really.

Yeah, when I go on the diet, I'm going carb and soy nazi. Problem is the xeno estrogens and shit from plastic. Its nearly impossible to get rid of that shit.

**romanaz** · 07-17-2007, 05:38 AM

so macTech, are you suggestiong dropping tribex and rev-z and using an AI?

**Midnight_Lifter** · 07-17-2007, 05:57 AM

Here's another vote for Venom Hyperdrive... you may not need two caps/day even tho you think you want to.

Try just one cap for a week or two -- you might be surprised.

**romanaz** · 07-17-2007, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight_Lifter

Here's another vote for Venom Hyperdrive... you may not need two caps/day even tho you think you want to.

Try just one cap for a week or two -- you might be surprised.

ill try that, because all I keep hearing is how powerful Venom is. I'm getting very excited about it :-D

**MacTech** · 07-17-2007, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by romanaz

so macTech, are you suggestiong dropping tribex and rev-z and using an AI?

You shouldn't need any stimulation to produce test. At your age, natural levels should be high enough. Rez-V, however, is more than just a test booster, and it is expensive. However, I don't think it will hurt to take one either.

I suggested AI, because it is what helped me lose fat, which will store estradiol. Too much of that, is bad and an AI keeps your good test from aromatization.

**romanaz** · 07-17-2007, 03:37 PM

yeah, I gotcha. I'll see, because its pretty cheap @ supplements.net for the Novedex XT. I don't know exactly what I'll do yet, I'm going to sleep and research the idea more.

I'm ordering the Venom when I get my next paycheck.

07-16-2007, 06:43 AM	#2
danman77220 Pro Stature Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,030 Recipes: 1 Rep Power: 50	Re: Hot Rox Extreme or Venom 3.0? I say Venom bro. When I was taking it it did me some good... When I cut again it's what I'm going to go back to most likely. I have a high resistance to any kind of stim, so if you're like me after the first day I think you could handle 2 caps. __________________ Accomplishment tastes better than cheesecake. Stats(/goals): Age: 18 Weight: 193 BF%: 19%/8% Max Lifts B: Poop S: Pee D: Status: Gaining back strength and size after tonsillectomy My Training Log

07-16-2007, 04:51 PM	#4
ja_ke Pro Stature Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Allen Park, MI Posts: 209 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 8	Re: Hot Rox Extreme or Venom 3.0? 15g of fish oil? you're going to poop your pants.

07-16-2007, 05:09 PM	#5
MacTech IronMassoholic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: State of well being Posts: 439 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 35	Re: Hot Rox Extreme or Venom 3.0? At your age, Tribex isn't needed. The Rez-V is good for anti-estrogen, but I would look into something else to help minimize test aromatizing to estrogen. I like Hot Rox Extreme, but haven't tried Venom. __________________ Still going thru life one rep at a time. My training journal.

07-17-2007, 03:39 AM	#8
MacTech IronMassoholic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: State of well being Posts: 439 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 35	Re: Hot Rox Extreme or Venom 3.0? Novadex XT by Gaspari. There are several AIs available that are legal, Link to Novadex It seemed to work well for me. However, it is only recommended to those 21 and over. Probably the best is to quit eating foods with estrogen in them too. Think natural foods. Links to foods containing estrogen __________________ Still going thru life one rep at a time. My training journal.

07-17-2007, 05:57 AM	#11
Midnight_Lifter IronMass Vip Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 439 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 38	Re: Hot Rox Extreme or Venom 3.0? Here's another vote for Venom Hyperdrive... you may not need two caps/day even tho you think you want to. Try just one cap for a week or two -- you might be surprised. __________________ - Discipline means doing within, not doing without. "Nothin' to it but to do it!" *Currently rebuilding in phase one...

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