Help me with my X-Factor Stack

~~PROD1GY~~ · 01-25-2006, 12:37 AM

Hey. Well, I'm putting together a stack right now, I am planning to run it in about 2-3 weeks. I am getting all my stuff ready. Here is what I am considering running:

X-Factor as Core
Scivation Fenotest for Sleep/Test(my test isnt the highest)
MAN Body Octane or Citrulline Malate(3g) w/Histidine(1g)+bAlanine(1g) for Recovery + Endurance
Green Bulge @ 7 caps for the first 21 days
Man Orotine / Gaspari SizeON for last 30 days
R-ALA to keep gains lean / insulin spike
GMS for Creatine and etc
GNC Megamen, Saw Palmetto, Anti-Oxidants

First, Should I run Orotine or SizeON? Why?
Secondly, Please Critique my stack :nosthumbs

Phosphate bond · 01-25-2006, 02:13 AM

I think R-ALA (or K-R-ALA) with X-factor is a good combo. Some people like pills, but I just like K-R-ALA mixed in with my protein powder. You don't need lots of it either.

I don't see any problems with the other stuff you posted.

~~PROD1GY~~ · 01-25-2006, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phosphate bond

I think R-ALA (or K-R-ALA) with X-factor is a good combo. Some people like pills, but I just like K-R-ALA mixed in with my protein powder. You don't need lots of it either.

I don't see any problems with the other stuff you posted.

Thanks. Just for confirmation, why do you think its a good combo?
Does K-R-ALA taste good or bad? Its also hard to measure =[
Fill me in on this stuff =]
Tell me all the other possibilities =]
I am willing to invest more money. I have almost everything ready, except body octane and R-ALA.

marlon · 01-25-2006, 04:10 AM

why 7 caps of GB? should you get better results? and what are you doing after 21 days?

~~PROD1GY~~ · 01-25-2006, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by marlon

why 7 caps of GB? should you get better results? and what are you doing after 21 days?

After 21 days, Imma run SizeON or Orotine(help me choose) till X-Factor ends
I just figured I dont wanna have 10 days of GB lying around, no need at all(dont wanna use it pre or post cycle)

Does Glycerol cause water retention?

Phosphate bond · 01-25-2006, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROD1GY

Thanks. Just for confirmation, why do you think its a good combo?
Does K-R-ALA taste good or bad? Its also hard to measure =[
Fill me in on this stuff =]
Tell me all the other possibilities =]
I am willing to invest more money. I have almost everything ready, except body octane and R-ALA.

It may improve the way your body handles the AA among other things. The idea is to get X-factor into your muscle as a phospholipid.

**LAZ** · 01-25-2006, 05:53 AM

No offense but if u run all of those things with xfactor how will you know if it is working?? Unless you have already tried it by itself.

~~PROD1GY~~ · 01-25-2006, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LAZ

No offense but if u run all of those things with xfactor how will you know if it is working?? Unless you have already tried it by itself.

I wont, but I need a body recomposition before summer, so this is my last hope.
I am planning to run this stack but with Sesamin instead of X-Factor after the summer to compare results.

Any other suggestions?
Does Glycerol cause bloat?

**Aeternitatis** · 02-06-2006, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROD1GY

Hey. Well, I'm putting together a stack right now, I am planning to run it in about 2-3 weeks. I am getting all my stuff ready. Here is what I am considering running:

X-Factor as Core
Scivation Fenotest for Sleep/Test(my test isnt the highest)
MAN Body Octane or Citrulline Malate(3g) w/Histidine(1g)+bAlanine(1g) for Recovery + Endurance
Green Bulge @ 7 caps for the first 21 days
Man Orotine / Gaspari SizeON for last 30 days
R-ALA to keep gains lean / insulin spike
GMS for Creatine and etc
GNC Megamen, Saw Palmetto, Anti-Oxidants

First, Should I run Orotine or SizeON? Why?
Secondly, Please Critique my stack :nosthumbs

Holey money-bags batman! Now that's an expensive stack.

Dude, save yourself some money and just use Body Octane and X-Factor (plus multivitamin and r-ala). Using all this stuff at once does not promise huge results. Spread it out. Most of the benefits are going to come from X-Factor anyways so save your supps for later and let XF do its thing.

~~PROD1GY~~ · 02-06-2006, 11:14 PM

CM stack is gonna cost me 40 bucks(friends with a bulk provider..) and will run me for over 5 weeks. Octane costs 45 and runs maybe 4 weeks with worst dosages.
I think this should be a sick stack. You guys should sponsor me on some X-Factor.

**jkeithc82** · 02-06-2006, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROD1GY

Scivation Fenotest for Sleep/Test(my test isnt the highest)

Why are you taking Fenotest for sleep?

~~PROD1GY~~ · 02-07-2006, 12:03 AM

Puts me into deep sleep

**jkeithc82** · 02-07-2006, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROD1GY

Puts me into deep sleep

I don't see why it would, it's not like ZMA.

~~PROD1GY~~ · 02-07-2006, 12:23 AM

Yeah, but im not stupid

lol
Test Boosting(to keep me as high as possible) and it puts me into deep ssleep, i swear by it

**jkeithc82** · 02-07-2006, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROD1GY

Yeah, but im not stupid

lol
Test Boosting(to keep me as high as possible) and it puts me into deep ssleep, i swear by it

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Italionstallionl · 02-07-2006, 04:28 AM

Molecular reps...question:

R-ala/K-R-ala is an anti-inflammatory, that is the ONLY reason i did not add it to the list of supplements i would use if chosen to test it. So is it now ok to take with x-factor?

~~PROD1GY~~ · 02-07-2006, 08:15 PM

R-ALA/K-R-ALA is an anti-flammatory?

Italionstallionl · 02-07-2006, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROD1GY

R-ALA/K-R-ALA is an anti-flammatory?

I always thought so, i could be wrong though. Im about to hit the gym, but google something like "r-ala anti-inflammatory"

~~PROD1GY~~ · 02-07-2006, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Italionstallionl

I always thought so, i could be wrong though. Im about to hit the gym, but google something like "r-ala anti-inflammatory"

I dont really think its anti-flammatory.
Found some stuff but I dunno. its an antioxidant for all i know

Italionstallionl · 02-08-2006, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROD1GY

I dont really think its anti-flammatory.
Found some stuff but I dunno. its an antioxidant for all i know

I know that its primary function isn't to serve as an anti inflammatory, but i think it does have anti-inf. properties. maybe they aren't strong enough to have an adverse effect on x-factor.

Phosphate bond · 02-09-2006, 04:25 AM

You need the R-ALA for ATP and glutathione. Glutathione levels are correlated with the more anabolic and "inflammatory" prostaglandins like PGF 2 alpha.

If you didn't have glutathione you wouldn't even be able to convert PGG2 to PGH2 (PGH2 is the parent molecule to PGE2, PGF 2 alpha, PGI2, etc)

Other pathways like PGE2 9 keto reductase (which forms PGF 2 alpha ) are also driven by NADH/NADPH (its a reductive process)

There is some irony here, but it makes sense to me. Your body isn't going to produce powerful and stimulating PGs in lower energy states. Maybe this explains why I always had a hard time getting sore in the days were I was always overtraining?

~~PROD1GY~~ · 02-09-2006, 07:23 PM

Your a genius.. lol

~~PROD1GY~~ · 02-11-2006, 04:15 AM

What is everyones opinion on running Glucophase on this stack?
Any benefits? I am really thinking about picking this up. My plan is to run the stack, and eat during maintance during the first 20 days, then going up by 500 calories.
Do you think there is gonna be a good benefit from Glucophase? If so, why?

01-25-2006, 12:37 AM	#1
~~PROD1GY~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 386 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Help me with my X-Factor Stack Hey. Well, I'm putting together a stack right now, I am planning to run it in about 2-3 weeks. I am getting all my stuff ready. Here is what I am considering running: X-Factor as Core Scivation Fenotest for Sleep/Test(my test isnt the highest) MAN Body Octane or Citrulline Malate(3g) w/Histidine(1g)+bAlanine(1g) for Recovery + Endurance Green Bulge @ 7 caps for the first 21 days Man Orotine / Gaspari SizeON for last 30 days R-ALA to keep gains lean / insulin spike GMS for Creatine and etc GNC Megamen, Saw Palmetto, Anti-Oxidants First, Should I run Orotine or SizeON? Why? Secondly, Please Critique my stack :nosthumbs

01-25-2006, 02:13 AM	#2
Phosphate bond Amateur Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 77 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	I think R-ALA (or K-R-ALA) with X-factor is a good combo. Some people like pills, but I just like K-R-ALA mixed in with my protein powder. You don't need lots of it either. I don't see any problems with the other stuff you posted. __________________ www.MolecularNutrition.net www.BodyofScience.com

01-25-2006, 04:10 AM	#4
marlon Pink Members Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 381 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 7	why 7 caps of GB? should you get better results? and what are you doing after 21 days? __________________ ***********.com 5% off Discount Code: MPP883

01-25-2006, 05:53 AM	#7
LAZ IronMass Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 27 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	No offense but if u run all of those things with xfactor how will you know if it is working?? Unless you have already tried it by itself. __________________ Serious Nutrition Solutions Board Representative 5'11" 218lbs

02-07-2006, 04:28 AM	#16
Italionstallionl Amateur Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 77 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	Molecular reps...question: R-ala/K-R-ala is an anti-inflammatory, that is the ONLY reason i did not add it to the list of supplements i would use if chosen to test it. So is it now ok to take with x-factor? __________________ ThermoLife Rep www.ThermoLife.com

02-06-2006, 11:14 PM	#10
~~PROD1GY~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 386 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	CM stack is gonna cost me 40 bucks(friends with a bulk provider..) and will run me for over 5 weeks. Octane costs 45 and runs maybe 4 weeks with worst dosages. I think this should be a sick stack. You guys should sponsor me on some X-Factor.

02-07-2006, 12:03 AM	#12
~~PROD1GY~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 386 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Puts me into deep sleep

02-07-2006, 12:23 AM	#14
~~PROD1GY~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 386 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, but im not stupid lol Test Boosting(to keep me as high as possible) and it puts me into deep ssleep, i swear by it

02-07-2006, 08:15 PM	#17
~~PROD1GY~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 386 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	R-ALA/K-R-ALA is an anti-flammatory?

02-09-2006, 04:25 AM	#21
Phosphate bond Amateur Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 77 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 4	You need the R-ALA for ATP and glutathione. Glutathione levels are correlated with the more anabolic and "inflammatory" prostaglandins like PGF 2 alpha. If you didn't have glutathione you wouldn't even be able to convert PGG2 to PGH2 (PGH2 is the parent molecule to PGE2, PGF 2 alpha, PGI2, etc) Other pathways like PGE2 9 keto reductase (which forms PGF 2 alpha ) are also driven by NADH/NADPH (its a reductive process) There is some irony here, but it makes sense to me. Your body isn't going to produce powerful and stimulating PGs in lower energy states. Maybe this explains why I always had a hard time getting sore in the days were I was always overtraining? __________________ www.MolecularNutrition.net www.BodyofScience.com

02-09-2006, 07:23 PM	#22
~~PROD1GY~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 386 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Your a genius.. lol

02-11-2006, 04:15 AM	#23
~~PROD1GY~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 386 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	What is everyones opinion on running Glucophase on this stack? Any benefits? I am really thinking about picking this up. My plan is to run the stack, and eat during maintance during the first 20 days, then going up by 500 calories. Do you think there is gonna be a good benefit from Glucophase? If so, why?