Good Antioxidant stack

Hybrid · 12-28-2005, 10:42 PM

I'm going to vitamin world (hopefully) either this Monday or Tuesday as they're having a huge sale. They usually have a monthly sale where all their products are buy one get one, but they're also having a new years sale, so I'm definitly gonna go there and stock up!!

I wanna pick up a good antioxidant stack for pre-workout. What should I pick up, and how much should I take of each? Or should I just stick to Lean Green PWO? Also, if they have a good antioxidant stack (that you know of) would be helpful if you can tell me!!

Thanks a ton!!

**skelooth** · 12-28-2005, 11:00 PM

You can buy 'antioxidant all in one' pills, but what I normally take is 1g vitamin C, 400iu Vitamin E, and 400mg green tea extract. I'd consider those the basics. You could throw in some b12/b6, potassium, etc though they don't qualify as 'anti-oxidants' (actually i believe potassium can act as an oxidant)

DeadLift · 12-29-2005, 02:20 AM

NOW anti oxidant formula
Scivation NOxidant
Sytrax Radox

Make your own
Vit C
Vit E
Green Tea extract
K-R-ALA
Vit A
etc

**warriors** · 12-29-2005, 05:47 AM

Cant go wrong with the Scivation NOxidant

**builtbeast** · 12-29-2005, 07:37 AM

I agree with skelooth, the bare minimum antioxidants are

vitamin C
vitamin E
green tea

uhockey · 12-29-2005, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

You can buy 'antioxidant all in one' pills, but what I normally take is 1g vitamin C, 400iu Vitamin E, and 400mg green tea extract. I'd consider those the basics. You could throw in some b12/b6, potassium, etc though they don't qualify as 'anti-oxidants' (actually i believe potassium can act as an oxidant)

Not to blatantly pimp, but I'm pretty sure our new VIGOR combined with Primaforce's Lean Green will be quite close to complete. Perhaps a little bit of NAC or ALA, but not necessary.

**Aeternitatis** · 12-29-2005, 06:01 PM

I would say:

kr-ala
Acai concentrate
Pomegranate extract
Idebenone
Astaxanthin
ALCAR

jram · 12-30-2005, 11:29 AM

My pre w/o anitoxidant stack is:

2g NOW Super Antioxidants
60mg NOW Pycnogenol
500mg NOW L-Carnosine

Peace

**A.FreeRadical** · 12-30-2005, 01:28 PM

There isn't a lot of scientific proof yet that anti-oxidants work as described by natural and homeopaths. Beyond vitamin C, E and green tea, I think it is best to try to stay natural with fruits and vegetables.

Here is a list of fruits and vegetables rated high in antioxidant value:

Antioxidant Values in Fruits And Vegetables
by Dan Roberts

A study from Tufts University in Boston ranks the antioxidant value of commonly eaten fruits and vegetables using an analysis called ORAC (Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity). This is a test tube analysis that measures the total antioxidant power of foods and other chemical substances.

Antioxidants are special compounds that protect against oxidation, or cellular damage caused by free radicals, and they have been shown to be effective in helping to prevent retinal diseases such as macular degeneration. Familiar antioxidants include vitamin E, vitamin C and beta carotene. It may be important to remember that, while antioxidant vitamin supplements are popular, it may be the combination of the nutrients in the foods that have the greatest effect.

Top-scoring fruits and vegetables ORAC units per 100 grams (about 3½ ounces)

Fruits:
Prunes -- 5570
Raisins -- 2830
Blueberries -- 2400
Blackberries -- 2036
Strawberries -- 1540
Raspberries -- 1220
Plums -- 949
Oranges -- 750
Red grapes -- 739
Cherries -- 670
Kiwi fruit -- 602
Grapefruit, pink -- 483

Vegetables:
Kale -- 11770
Spinach -- 11260
Brussels sprout -- 1980
Alfalfa sprouts -- 1930
Broccoli Flowers -- 1890
Beets -- 1840
Red bell pepper -- 1710
Onion -- 1450
Corn -- 1400
Eggplant -- 1390

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**Aeternitatis** · 12-30-2005, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.FreeRadical

Antioxidants are special compounds that protect against oxidation, or cellular damage caused by free radicals... it may be the combination of the nutrients in the foods that have the greatest effect.

Yep, which is why I recommend whole fruit concentrates and extracts first. Then more specific things like benfotiamine or l-carnosine for targeted anti-aging support.

uhockey · 12-31-2005, 11:40 AM

Great post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.FreeRadical

There isn't a lot of scientific proof yet that anti-oxidants work as described by natural and homeopaths. Beyond vitamin C, E and green tea, I think it is best to try to stay natural with fruits and vegetables.

Here is a list of fruits and vegetables rated high in antioxidant value:

Antioxidant Values in Fruits And Vegetables
by Dan Roberts

A study from Tufts University in Boston ranks the antioxidant value of commonly eaten fruits and vegetables using an analysis called ORAC (Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity). This is a test tube analysis that measures the total antioxidant power of foods and other chemical substances.

Antioxidants are special compounds that protect against oxidation, or cellular damage caused by free radicals, and they have been shown to be effective in helping to prevent retinal diseases such as macular degeneration. Familiar antioxidants include vitamin E, vitamin C and beta carotene. It may be important to remember that, while antioxidant vitamin supplements are popular, it may be the combination of the nutrients in the foods that have the greatest effect.

Top-scoring fruits and vegetables ORAC units per 100 grams (about 3½ ounces)

Fruits:
Prunes -- 5570
Raisins -- 2830
Blueberries -- 2400
Blackberries -- 2036
Strawberries -- 1540
Raspberries -- 1220
Plums -- 949
Oranges -- 750
Red grapes -- 739
Cherries -- 670
Kiwi fruit -- 602
Grapefruit, pink -- 483

Vegetables:
Kale -- 11770
Spinach -- 11260
Brussels sprout -- 1980
Alfalfa sprouts -- 1930
Broccoli Flowers -- 1890
Beets -- 1840
Red bell pepper -- 1710
Onion -- 1450
Corn -- 1400
Eggplant -- 1390

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Dosquito · 01-01-2006, 06:18 AM

I guess popeye was right in tellnig us to eat our spinach

ersatz · 01-05-2006, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aeternitatis

I would say:

kr-ala
Acai concentrate
Pomegranate extract
Idebenone
Astaxanthin
ALCAR

Isn't ALCAR a pro-oxidant, well at least in mitochondria?
The problem with the all-in-ones is the inclusion of quercetin, IMO. It's anti-ox effect is questionable and may have a number of unwanted sides. I like your mention of idebenone as it seems a lot of people over look this. Pomegranate extract is also a potent anti-ox but it ca be difficult to find a good product.

My daily anti-ox stack which changes a bit is as follows:
200mg Idebenone
1g Green tea 50%EGCG
300mg Grape Seed extract 95% poly
1.2 g NAC(moreso for mucolytic effect)
75 mcg selenium
100 mg Molybdenum
500mg L-carnosine
100mg SOD

**Peaked_18** · 01-05-2006, 07:45 PM

Hybrid, just take a regular multivitamin and some green tea extract and don't worry about supplements. Just take the basics and focus on diet. Supplement won't do any more then waste your money, the money spent on supplements are better spent on food.

**A.FreeRadical** · 01-05-2006, 11:59 PM

Here is a good stack:

Good Antioxidant stack

It will do your body good.

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**sns8778** · 01-06-2006, 05:28 PM

Just wanted to throw in that I think CoQ10 is often overlooked for antioxidant purposes. I have a very bad immune system due to sinus and allergy problems and CoQ10 has helped me tremendously.

ersatz · 01-07-2006, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sns8778

Just wanted to throw in that I think CoQ10 is often overlooked for antioxidant purposes. I have a very bad immune system due to sinus and allergy problems and CoQ10 has helped me tremendously.

Idebenone is a better version of CoQ10 and actually cheaper. I also believe it can't act as a pro-ox at high dosages like CoQ10 can. Defeintely a must have as it appears vital for cardio health.

**Aeternitatis** · 01-07-2006, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ersatz

Isn't ALCAR a pro-oxidant, well at least in mitochondria?
The problem with the all-in-ones is the inclusion of quercetin, IMO. It's anti-ox effect is questionable and may have a number of unwanted sides. I like your mention of idebenone as it seems a lot of people over look this. Pomegranate extract is also a potent anti-ox but it ca be difficult to find a good product.

My daily anti-ox stack which changes a bit is as follows:
200mg Idebenone
1g Green tea 50%EGCG
300mg Grape Seed extract 95% poly
1.2 g NAC(moreso for mucolytic effect)
75 mcg selenium
100 mg Molybdenum
500mg L-carnosine
100mg SOD

I just really like ALCAR. And I know that it is helpful when it comes to "anti-aging" which kinda goes along with antioxidant supplementation. I'm surprised you supplement with SOD. Have you had success with it? Have you tried GliSODin by NOW? It's a bit too expensive for my blood.

I'm actually putting together an "immortality" drink. I just ordered all the raws from BAC. This is what's in it:

Per serving (take 2 servings per day):
ALCAR: 1000mg
Acai fruit concentrate: 500mg
Activin Grapeseed: 100mg
100:1 Blackberry con.: 100mg
20:1 Broccoli con.: 125mg
Pomegranate standardized for ellagic acid: 250mg
Gynostemma Pentaphyllum: 100mg
ActivAloe aloe vera: 200mg
k-r-ALA: 125mg
L-carnosine: 250mg
Bacopa monnieri (20% bacosides): 80mg
Rhodiola rosea (4% rosavins): 100mg

Sweetened and flavored with xylitol, stevia, and all natural berry flavor. I got enough bulk herbs to make at least 200 servings. Should prove to be very good.

ersatz · 01-08-2006, 05:26 AM

Looks like a good life extension/anti-aging stack. Lots of people including myself like GTE so any reason for its exclusion? Also throwing in 50-100mg of Ideb would serve you well. How much does this mix cost you per serving?

I love ALCAR as well but won't consider it an anti-ox if it acts in the exact opposite manner in mito. Hence the inclusion of Ideb, plus it helps with endurance and reducing DOMS. I incorporate other nootropics as well but most of them need to be cycled.

As for SOD it's purported by some as the king of anti-oxs so I thought I'd give it a shot. I originally started off with GliSODin because I didn't want the hassle of injections. I think I used Soruce Naturals or something along those lines and the caps were 250mg of SOD instead of NOW's 100mg and it was cheaper to boot. I recently switched over to subQ SOD because it's much cheaper and of course should be more effective. It comes out to ~800IU or .4 ml of SOD in a weekly injection. So it should read 100IU/day not mg.

On GliSODin I noticed reduced DOMS and moderate improvement in cardio. With the inj SOD DOMS is practically eliminated, breathing is easier and endurance is significantly increased. Ideally I'd like to find a more bioavailable form of L-Carnosine to further boost athletic performance to complete my stack.

Ultimately, my routine supp intake will look like this:
2 a day multi
800-1000IU SOD
100-200mg IDEB
2-4g ALCAR
500-1000mg GTE (50%EGCG)

Occasionally I might throw in NAC, Grape seed extract and a slew of other anti-oxs for a month at a time for a little variety. I'll also continue using Rho at 500mg/day running 4weeks on 2 off or 6 on 2-4 off.

Wedgylx · 01-14-2006, 06:13 AM

I think uhockey would agree KRala preworkout is not a good idea. POst workout, on the other hand, is a good option.

I usually take:
1g vitamin C, 400mg green tea, 400IU vitamin E pre workout
1g vitamin C, 1 pill of pinnacle isomer-E post-workout

what do you guys think

12-28-2005, 10:42 PM	#1
Hybrid IMPC Contestant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gibsonia PA Posts: 824 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 13	Good Antioxidant stack I'm going to vitamin world (hopefully) either this Monday or Tuesday as they're having a huge sale. They usually have a monthly sale where all their products are buy one get one, but they're also having a new years sale, so I'm definitly gonna go there and stock up!! I wanna pick up a good antioxidant stack for pre-workout. What should I pick up, and how much should I take of each? Or should I just stick to Lean Green PWO? Also, if they have a good antioxidant stack (that you know of) would be helpful if you can tell me!! Thanks a ton!! __________________ If you even dream about beating me you'd better wake up and apologize - Muhammad Ali

12-28-2005, 11:00 PM	#2
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,200 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	You can buy 'antioxidant all in one' pills, but what I normally take is 1g vitamin C, 400iu Vitamin E, and 400mg green tea extract. I'd consider those the basics. You could throw in some b12/b6, potassium, etc though they don't qualify as 'anti-oxidants' (actually i believe potassium can act as an oxidant) __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

12-29-2005, 02:20 AM	#3
DeadLift New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 19 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	NOW anti oxidant formula Scivation NOxidant Sytrax Radox Make your own Vit C Vit E Green Tea extract K-R-ALA Vit A etc __________________ aka kendog

12-29-2005, 05:47 AM	#4
warriors The world is yours Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,127 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 29	Cant go wrong with the Scivation NOxidant __________________ Not Around...

12-29-2005, 07:37 AM	#5
builtbeast Großer Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: In a very red state Posts: 1,430 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 94	I agree with skelooth, the bare minimum antioxidants are vitamin C vitamin E green tea __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arjjb1u64Kc ********.com

12-29-2005, 06:01 PM	#7
Aeternitatis The Alchemist Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Delirium, Tremens Posts: 173 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	I would say: kr-ala Acai concentrate Pomegranate extract Idebenone Astaxanthin ALCAR

12-30-2005, 11:29 AM	#8
jram Amateur Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 60 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	My pre w/o anitoxidant stack is: 2g NOW Super Antioxidants 60mg NOW Pycnogenol 500mg NOW L-Carnosine Peace

12-30-2005, 01:28 PM	#9
A.FreeRadical the Epicurean Bodybuilder Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 58	There isn't a lot of scientific proof yet that anti-oxidants work as described by natural and homeopaths. Beyond vitamin C, E and green tea, I think it is best to try to stay natural with fruits and vegetables. Here is a list of fruits and vegetables rated high in antioxidant value: Antioxidant Values in Fruits And Vegetables by Dan Roberts A study from Tufts University in Boston ranks the antioxidant value of commonly eaten fruits and vegetables using an analysis called ORAC (Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity). This is a test tube analysis that measures the total antioxidant power of foods and other chemical substances. Antioxidants are special compounds that protect against oxidation, or cellular damage caused by free radicals, and they have been shown to be effective in helping to prevent retinal diseases such as macular degeneration. Familiar antioxidants include vitamin E, vitamin C and beta carotene. It may be important to remember that, while antioxidant vitamin supplements are popular, it may be the combination of the nutrients in the foods that have the greatest effect. Top-scoring fruits and vegetables ORAC units per 100 grams (about 3½ ounces) Fruits: Prunes -- 5570 Raisins -- 2830 Blueberries -- 2400 Blackberries -- 2036 Strawberries -- 1540 Raspberries -- 1220 Plums -- 949 Oranges -- 750 Red grapes -- 739 Cherries -- 670 Kiwi fruit -- 602 Grapefruit, pink -- 483 Vegetables: Kale -- 11770 Spinach -- 11260 Brussels sprout -- 1980 Alfalfa sprouts -- 1930 Broccoli Flowers -- 1890 Beets -- 1840 Red bell pepper -- 1710 Onion -- 1450 Corn -- 1400 Eggplant -- 1390 ---------------------------------------- * __________________ "Is it going to be the red pill or the blue pill, Neo? The red pill will answer the question 'What is the Matrix?' Choose carefully. Remember, all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more." Ron Paul for President, 2008 A.FreeRadical ...the Epicurean bodybuilder Height: 5'9", Age: 62, My last high on 2/1/2006 was 196 lbs. My last low on 8/08/2006 was 167.5 lbs. Cutting until I am lean Starting weight: 190 lbs. bodyfat: 19.7% November 27th: 183 lbs. bodyfat: 18.3% bodyfat Goal Weight: 176 lbs with no more than 10% bodyfat My recipe collection

01-01-2006, 06:18 AM	#12
Dosquito Amateur Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 35 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	I guess popeye was right in tellnig us to eat our spinach

01-05-2006, 07:45 PM	#14
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,247 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	Hybrid, just take a regular multivitamin and some green tea extract and don't worry about supplements. Just take the basics and focus on diet. Supplement won't do any more then waste your money, the money spent on supplements are better spent on food.

01-05-2006, 11:59 PM	#15
A.FreeRadical the Epicurean Bodybuilder Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,245 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 58	Here is a good stack: Good Antioxidant stack It will do your body good. * __________________ "Is it going to be the red pill or the blue pill, Neo? The red pill will answer the question 'What is the Matrix?' Choose carefully. Remember, all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more." Ron Paul for President, 2008 A.FreeRadical ...the Epicurean bodybuilder Height: 5'9", Age: 62, My last high on 2/1/2006 was 196 lbs. My last low on 8/08/2006 was 167.5 lbs. Cutting until I am lean Starting weight: 190 lbs. bodyfat: 19.7% November 27th: 183 lbs. bodyfat: 18.3% bodyfat Goal Weight: 176 lbs with no more than 10% bodyfat My recipe collection

01-06-2006, 05:28 PM	#16
sns8778 Forum Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 95 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Just wanted to throw in that I think CoQ10 is often overlooked for antioxidant purposes. I have a very bad immune system due to sinus and allergy problems and CoQ10 has helped me tremendously. __________________ Serious Nutrition Solutions - steve@seriousnutritionsolutions.com Serious Nutrition Solution's Primary Goals: Providing: 1. Top Quality Products 2. The Best Customer Service in the Industry 3. Products that are Cost Effective to the Consumer

01-08-2006, 05:26 AM	#19
ersatz Amateur Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 48 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Looks like a good life extension/anti-aging stack. Lots of people including myself like GTE so any reason for its exclusion? Also throwing in 50-100mg of Ideb would serve you well. How much does this mix cost you per serving? I love ALCAR as well but won't consider it an anti-ox if it acts in the exact opposite manner in mito. Hence the inclusion of Ideb, plus it helps with endurance and reducing DOMS. I incorporate other nootropics as well but most of them need to be cycled. As for SOD it's purported by some as the king of anti-oxs so I thought I'd give it a shot. I originally started off with GliSODin because I didn't want the hassle of injections. I think I used Soruce Naturals or something along those lines and the caps were 250mg of SOD instead of NOW's 100mg and it was cheaper to boot. I recently switched over to subQ SOD because it's much cheaper and of course should be more effective. It comes out to ~800IU or .4 ml of SOD in a weekly injection. So it should read 100IU/day not mg. On GliSODin I noticed reduced DOMS and moderate improvement in cardio. With the inj SOD DOMS is practically eliminated, breathing is easier and endurance is significantly increased. Ideally I'd like to find a more bioavailable form of L-Carnosine to further boost athletic performance to complete my stack. Ultimately, my routine supp intake will look like this: 2 a day multi 800-1000IU SOD 100-200mg IDEB 2-4g ALCAR 500-1000mg GTE (50%EGCG) Occasionally I might throw in NAC, Grape seed extract and a slew of other anti-oxs for a month at a time for a little variety. I'll also continue using Rho at 500mg/day running 4weeks on 2 off or 6 on 2-4 off.

01-14-2006, 06:13 AM	#20
Wedgylx Amateur Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 43 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	I think uhockey would agree KRala preworkout is not a good idea. POst workout, on the other hand, is a good option. I usually take: 1g vitamin C, 400mg green tea, 400IU vitamin E pre workout 1g vitamin C, 1 pill of pinnacle isomer-E post-workout what do you guys think