Ethyl Esters and BCAA

**powerman2000** · 01-21-2007, 04:43 AM

Ok, I'm seeing more and more BCAA made with Ethyl Esters.

Is the Ethyl Ester delivery really that much better for absorption that it warrants the cost increase of BCAA to 2x the normal price?

Any opinion or experiences?

Is CEE also really that much better?

I know it's expensive to produce EE, but that doesn't necessarily make them effective.

**romanaz** · 01-21-2007, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by powerman2000

Ok, I'm seeing more and more BCAA made with Ethyl Esters.

Is the Ethyl Ester delivery really that much better for absorption that it warrants the cost increase of BCAA to 2x the normal price?

Any opinion or experiences?

Is CEE also really that much better?

I know it's expensive to produce EE, but that doesn't necessarily make them effective.

the CEE (and di-creatine malate) in the pyru-crex I tested seemed no different to me then the mono I take normally. Hell, I actually prefer the mono straight up then with the others. Next batch of creatine I'm testing out CEE. I'll let you know then pman.

**warriors** · 01-21-2007, 07:51 PM

CEE MAY have some merit but still no one has proved that it's any better or worse than regular old mono. Personally I like MCC and Di-Creatine Malates the best.

As for BCAA's most "experts" find that's just pure marketing hype. There are plenty of studies and opinions from some guru's such as Layne, PA, BK, etc that regular BCAA's get plenty of absorption on their own without the EE attached.

DJohnson · 01-22-2007, 05:39 AM

I get much better results from creatine mono for sure. Any BCAAs I'm not totally sold on yet.

**powerman2000** · 01-23-2007, 05:34 AM

I went ahead and bought some CEE and some BCAA with EE.

I haven't been on any creatine for a couple of years.

**Ikaika** · 01-23-2007, 10:13 AM

At first I was totally in love with CEE, but after switching back to my AST micronized mono I don't think there is too much difference aside from price and taste.

Cookie Dough · 01-23-2007, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by powerman2000

Ok, I'm seeing more and more BCAA made with Ethyl Esters.

Is the Ethyl Ester delivery really that much better for absorption that it warrants the cost increase of BCAA to 2x the normal price?

Any opinion or experiences?

Is CEE also really that much better?

I know it's expensive to produce EE, but that doesn't necessarily make them effective.

I like CEE more than mono . Recently tried BCAA with esther and found no difference at all between it and regular BCAA but you know how it works what doesnt work for me might for another . Just for me BCAA with esther was wasted money.

**powerman2000** · 01-23-2007, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikaika

At first I was totally in love with CEE, but after switching back to my AST micronized mono I don't think there is too much difference aside from price and taste.

The CEE I bought is in capsule form.

I get a lot of natural Creatine from the red meat I eat.

**powerman2000** · 01-23-2007, 05:09 PM

Have any of you guys looked at Anabolic Pump by UspLabs?

I read a bunch of studies on pubmed.com on the ingredients and I have mixed opinions.

The studies are very interesting since they do talk a lot about the "insulin like" activity without the potential negatives of insulin. Basically it is supposed to shove nutrients into muscle cells and block the fat cells.

The medical studies really only talk about the ingredients as a potential aid in fighting diabetes and obesity.

**Ikaika** · 01-23-2007, 07:35 PM

Based on what Mulletsoldier and the other guys from USPLabs have said, it sounds pretty badass. I think I'm gonna hold off until the logs are done so I can see what comes of them but I'm definitely intrigued by it.

Powerman didn't you learn not to screw around with insulin after the whole "Myozene is making me fat" escapade?

**powerman2000** · 01-23-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikaika

Powerman didn't you learn not to screw around with insulin after the whole "Myozene is making me fat" escapade?

That's just the thing, Anabolic Pump claims to burn fat and only provide the muscle building aspects of insulin. No fat gain from it like what your own natural insulin can possibly do.

builtbeast · 01-23-2007, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by powerman2000

That's just the thing, Anabolic Pump claims to burn fat and only provide the muscle building aspects of insulin. No fat gain from it like what your own natural insulin can possibly do.

I'd like to see how well it works on someone with high insulin insensitivity.

**powerman2000** · 02-03-2007, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by builtbeast

I'd like to see how well it works on someone with high insulin insensitivity.

I think those people are the only ones who would see any results based on my readings.

01-21-2007, 04:43 AM	#1
powerman2000 The Old Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,249 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 203	Ethyl Esters and BCAA Ok, I'm seeing more and more BCAA made with Ethyl Esters. Is the Ethyl Ester delivery really that much better for absorption that it warrants the cost increase of BCAA to 2x the normal price? Any opinion or experiences? Is CEE also really that much better? I know it's expensive to produce EE, but that doesn't necessarily make them effective. __________________ Don't forget to periodize Best BP 507 lbs competitive Best Squat 705 lbs competitive Best DL 650 lbs competitive Guns don't kill people, men who come home early do. My workout log http://www.ironmass.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6247

01-21-2007, 07:51 PM	#3
warriors The world is yours Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,127 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 29	CEE MAY have some merit but still no one has proved that it's any better or worse than regular old mono. Personally I like MCC and Di-Creatine Malates the best. As for BCAA's most "experts" find that's just pure marketing hype. There are plenty of studies and opinions from some guru's such as Layne, PA, BK, etc that regular BCAA's get plenty of absorption on their own without the EE attached. __________________ Not Around...

01-22-2007, 05:39 AM	#4
DJohnson IMPC Contestant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,087 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 53	I get much better results from creatine mono for sure. Any BCAAs I'm not totally sold on yet. __________________ Age: 21 Height: 5'10.5" Mar, 2001: 135lbs @ ~14% Nov, 2004: 245lbs @ ~40% Feb, 2006: 188lbs @ 20.1% - Hydrostatic Tested Dec, 2006: 168lbs @ 5.5% - 7 Point Caliper Tested BULKING FOR A LONG TIME NOW Long Term Goal: Over 200lbs @ 8%

01-23-2007, 05:34 AM	#5
powerman2000 The Old Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,249 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 203	I went ahead and bought some CEE and some BCAA with EE. I haven't been on any creatine for a couple of years. __________________ Don't forget to periodize Best BP 507 lbs competitive Best Squat 705 lbs competitive Best DL 650 lbs competitive Guns don't kill people, men who come home early do. My workout log http://www.ironmass.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6247

01-23-2007, 10:13 AM	#6
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,908 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 222	At first I was totally in love with CEE, but after switching back to my AST micronized mono I don't think there is too much difference aside from price and taste. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

01-23-2007, 05:09 PM	#9
powerman2000 The Old Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,249 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 203	Have any of you guys looked at Anabolic Pump by UspLabs? I read a bunch of studies on pubmed.com on the ingredients and I have mixed opinions. The studies are very interesting since they do talk a lot about the "insulin like" activity without the potential negatives of insulin. Basically it is supposed to shove nutrients into muscle cells and block the fat cells. The medical studies really only talk about the ingredients as a potential aid in fighting diabetes and obesity. __________________ Don't forget to periodize Best BP 507 lbs competitive Best Squat 705 lbs competitive Best DL 650 lbs competitive Guns don't kill people, men who come home early do. My workout log http://www.ironmass.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6247

01-23-2007, 07:35 PM	#10
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,908 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 222	Based on what Mulletsoldier and the other guys from USPLabs have said, it sounds pretty badass. I think I'm gonna hold off until the logs are done so I can see what comes of them but I'm definitely intrigued by it. Powerman didn't you learn not to screw around with insulin after the whole "Myozene is making me fat" escapade? __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

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