DS Basic Cuts + Lean Xtreme VS ???

danman77220 · 11-05-2007, 12:51 AM

I'm looking into some fat burners and want some advice.

I've been told in the past that Designer Supplements Basic Cuts + Melting Point was a good stack, but Melting Point has been discontinued. Would Lean Xtreme be a good substitute? Does anyone have any experience with this stack?

What other products would be good to look into? I've done Venom Hyperdrive before but I'm looking for something different.

Also, what about the ECY stack? Would that be overkill/dangerous for an 18 year old?

Thanks guys,

**romanaz** · 11-06-2007, 01:06 AM

Melting Point, Designer Supplements, Fatty-Acid Complex, Designer Nutrition, lower body fat

Hot Rox Extreme from Biotest is good imo.

just make sure you keep a good diet and KEEP to it.

danman77220 · 11-06-2007, 01:16 AM

Oh dang lookie there!

Diet = in check

I'm going low carb, high protein. Carbs are in the morning, a bit preworkout and a bit post workout. About 80g/day. The rest is basically carb free.

What do you think of the ECY stack Rom? I care more for efficiency than anything else right now.

**romanaz** · 11-06-2007, 01:28 AM

never done ECY, heard good things.

low carb imo is under 50g... idk how you respond personally, but for me, imo low carb is unbearable w/o going into ketosis.

imo Venom is one of the best I've done, but I dosed it 2pills/twice a day.

danman77220 · 11-06-2007, 01:38 AM

I've been going about 80g/day for a while now and I don't seem to care lol

I like Venom too but I think I'm gonna give ECY a shot if no one objects... the ephedrine HCL is the only scary part. Plus its difficult to get a hold of and I'd rather buy my stuff over the counter than online just so I don't have to worry about my parents getting it in the mail. I may be under 18 but I'm still under their roof blah blah blah. I mean for Gods sake I just now got to start taking creatine lol.

**romanaz** · 11-06-2007, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danman77220

I've been going about 80g/day for a while now and I don't seem to care lol

I like Venom too but I think I'm gonna give ECY a shot if no one objects... the ephedrine HCL is the only scary part. Plus its difficult to get a hold of and I'd rather buy my stuff over the counter than online just so I don't have to worry about my parents getting it in the mail. I may be under 18 but I'm still under their roof blah blah blah. I mean for Gods sake I just now got to start taking creatine lol.

you won't find it OTC as far as I know.

whats scary about it? I see nothing to be scared about. Some of the stuff in some of the other supps out there are scarier imo

danman77220 · 11-06-2007, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by romanaz

you won't find it OTC as far as I know.

whats scary about it? I see nothing to be scared about. Some of the stuff in some of the other supps out there are scarier imo

I thought that it was an ephedra knockoff

**Ikaika** · 11-06-2007, 05:36 AM

no, one is not a "knockoff." Ephedra is the unpurified form that is found in ma huang while ephedrine HCL is a purified form without all the extra crap that comes with the ma huang.

Just get VasoPro Ephedrine HCl or something, stuff is cheap as rocks and works really well.

**romanaz** · 11-06-2007, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikaika

no, one is not a "knockoff." Ephedra is the unpurified form that is found in ma huang while ephedrine HCL is a purified form without all the extra crap that comes with the ma huang.

Just get VasoPro Ephedrine HCl or something, stuff is cheap as rocks and works really well.

think it would be worth trying out a ECY or ECA stack? Or say stack Ephedrine w/ something like venom? I think I might order abottle of ephedrine and see how it is stand alone sometime.

danman77220 · 11-06-2007, 05:52 AM

Vasopro was what I was looking at

I think I'm just gonna do the EC stack rather than ECY... I think I'd do fine with just ephedrine hcl and caffeine. How would this stack look:

2 packs Vasopro Ephedrine HCL, 25mg
1 bottle ProLab Caffeine, 200mg

Dosing:

25mg ephedrine HCL + 200 mg caffeine twice per day; once upon waking and once before training.

Basically going off this thread:

http://www.ironmass.com/supplements/...ecy-stack.html

Look good?

Thanks guys.

danman77220 · 11-11-2007, 11:56 PM

WOOHOO!

I walked into One Stop Nutrition today to pick up some caffeine and low and behold they have VasoPro Ephedrine HCL. They charge $15 bucks for a pack of 24... which isn't the cheapest price but pretty good compared to most online suppliers I've seen. It saves me the trouble of having to sneak an online order past my parents. I'm gonna stock up in a few weeks and start the week after Thanksgiving. Why? Because I refuse to give up my pumpkin pie, candied yams and stuffing.

11-05-2007, 12:51 AM	#1
danman77220 Pro Stature Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,021 Recipes: 1 Rep Power: 50	DS Basic Cuts + Lean Xtreme VS ??? I'm looking into some fat burners and want some advice. I've been told in the past that Designer Supplements Basic Cuts + Melting Point was a good stack, but Melting Point has been discontinued. Would Lean Xtreme be a good substitute? Does anyone have any experience with this stack? What other products would be good to look into? I've done Venom Hyperdrive before but I'm looking for something different. Also, what about the ECY stack? Would that be overkill/dangerous for an 18 year old? Thanks guys, __________________ Accomplishment tastes better than cheesecake. Stats(/goals): Age: 18 Weight: 193 BF%: 19%/8% Max Lifts B: Poop S: Pee D: Status: Gaining back strength and size after tonsillectomy My Training Log

11-06-2007, 01:16 AM	#3
danman77220 Pro Stature Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,021 Recipes: 1 Rep Power: 50	Re: DS Basic Cuts + Lean Xtreme VS ??? Oh dang lookie there! Diet = in check I'm going low carb, high protein. Carbs are in the morning, a bit preworkout and a bit post workout. About 80g/day. The rest is basically carb free. What do you think of the ECY stack Rom? I care more for efficiency than anything else right now. __________________ Accomplishment tastes better than cheesecake. Stats(/goals): Age: 18 Weight: 193 BF%: 19%/8% Max Lifts B: Poop S: Pee D: Status: Gaining back strength and size after tonsillectomy My Training Log

11-06-2007, 01:38 AM	#5
danman77220 Pro Stature Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,021 Recipes: 1 Rep Power: 50	Re: DS Basic Cuts + Lean Xtreme VS ??? I've been going about 80g/day for a while now and I don't seem to care lol I like Venom too but I think I'm gonna give ECY a shot if no one objects... the ephedrine HCL is the only scary part. Plus its difficult to get a hold of and I'd rather buy my stuff over the counter than online just so I don't have to worry about my parents getting it in the mail. I may be under 18 but I'm still under their roof blah blah blah. I mean for Gods sake I just now got to start taking creatine lol. __________________ Accomplishment tastes better than cheesecake. Stats(/goals): Age: 18 Weight: 193 BF%: 19%/8% Max Lifts B: Poop S: Pee D: Status: Gaining back strength and size after tonsillectomy My Training Log

11-06-2007, 05:36 AM	#8
Ikaika resident degen Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,765 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 216	Re: DS Basic Cuts + Lean Xtreme VS ??? no, one is not a "knockoff." Ephedra is the unpurified form that is found in ma huang while ephedrine HCL is a purified form without all the extra crap that comes with the ma huang. Just get VasoPro Ephedrine HCl or something, stuff is cheap as rocks and works really well. __________________ No supplement can make up for the lack of a strong work ethic.

11-06-2007, 05:52 AM	#10
danman77220 Pro Stature Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,021 Recipes: 1 Rep Power: 50	Re: DS Basic Cuts + Lean Xtreme VS ??? Vasopro was what I was looking at I think I'm just gonna do the EC stack rather than ECY... I think I'd do fine with just ephedrine hcl and caffeine. How would this stack look: 2 packs Vasopro Ephedrine HCL, 25mg 1 bottle ProLab Caffeine, 200mg Dosing: 25mg ephedrine HCL + 200 mg caffeine twice per day; once upon waking and once before training. Basically going off this thread: http://www.ironmass.com/supplements/...ecy-stack.html Look good? Thanks guys. __________________ Accomplishment tastes better than cheesecake. Stats(/goals): Age: 18 Weight: 193 BF%: 19%/8% Max Lifts B: Poop S: Pee D: Status: Gaining back strength and size after tonsillectomy My Training Log

11-11-2007, 11:56 PM	#11
danman77220 Pro Stature Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,021 Recipes: 1 Rep Power: 50	Re: DS Basic Cuts + Lean Xtreme VS ??? WOOHOO! I walked into One Stop Nutrition today to pick up some caffeine and low and behold they have VasoPro Ephedrine HCL. They charge $15 bucks for a pack of 24... which isn't the cheapest price but pretty good compared to most online suppliers I've seen. It saves me the trouble of having to sneak an online order past my parents. I'm gonna stock up in a few weeks and start the week after Thanksgiving. Why? Because I refuse to give up my pumpkin pie, candied yams and stuffing. __________________ Accomplishment tastes better than cheesecake. Stats(/goals): Age: 18 Weight: 193 BF%: 19%/8% Max Lifts B: Poop S: Pee D: Status: Gaining back strength and size after tonsillectomy My Training Log

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