BSN Products (cellmass, NO explode,nitrix)

beef_cam · 02-15-2006, 06:03 AM

is the product cellmass worth a flip because i have used for more than two months and i have not seen anything at all happeneing

**warriors** · 02-15-2006, 06:06 AM

Well if you have been using it for two months and haven't seen anything than that should tell you something.

Next time try Cre-ethyl thunder or Green Bulge. If you have the money i recommend Size-On from Gaspari.

corvettecris · 02-15-2006, 06:32 AM

Yeah, cell mass is basically just Creatine EE. I use 'El Cheapo CEE' and get the same results, but for some people, creatine just doesn't make a huge difference.

Trick D · 02-16-2006, 02:31 AM

I would buy something of equal quality with cheaper rates. Check out our sponsors for some great deals on CEE and other cell volumizing/creatine products.

**Peaked_18** · 02-16-2006, 11:24 AM

If you have the money, go with no-xplode. And them purchase some bulk cee and add that to the no-xplode. It'll be a lot cheaper then green bulge and cell mass, but you get the quality of no-xplode.

Nitrous · 02-18-2006, 05:06 AM

i'm on no-xplode right now and up 5 pounds in about 2 weeks...very happy with the gains..strenght and everything is going up..but it could have something to do with my massive intake of food too

**sns8778** · 02-19-2006, 07:54 PM

Just to throw out a couple of our products that I feel would be better, more cost effective choices:

CVM Xtreme contains Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate (which is contained in Cell Mass) along with a host of other cell volumizing ingredients.

Ingredient Panel:
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 heaping scoop
Servings per Container: 50
Amount per Serving
CVM (Cell Volumizing Matrix Blend)
DiCreatine Malate 3g
Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate 2g
Betaine Anhydrous 2g
Taurine 2g
2:1 DiArginine Malate 1.5g
Glucuronalactone 1g
Glycocymine 500mg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 100mg
Vitamin B3 (Niacin) 50mg
Folic Acid 200mcg
Vitamin B12 125mcg

As for comparing something to Nitrix, Arginine E2 Matrix is really not comparable in terms of ingredients, but we feel very confident that it will deliver more results than Nitrix.

Here is the ingredient panel:
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 3 Capsules
Servings per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving
Arginine E2 Matrix Blend 2150mg
Arginine Ethyl Ester HCl
Ornithine Ethyl Ester HCl
Norvaline

If you look around, you can find logs on these products used as stand alones and as stacks.

Trick D · 02-20-2006, 03:52 AM

Want to post some price/servings comparsions?

**sns8778** · 02-20-2006, 09:03 PM

Trick D - CVM Xtreme to Cell Mass comparison.

CVM Xtreme - Avg online price of around 31.00 to 32.00
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 heaping scoop
Servings per Container: 50
Amount per Serving
CVM (Cell Volumizing Matrix Blend)
DiCreatine Malate 3g
Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate 2g
Betaine Anhydrous 2g
Taurine 2g
2:1 DiArginine Malate 1.5g
Glucuronalactone 1g
Glycocymine 500mg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 100mg
Vitamin B3 (Niacin) 50mg
Folic Acid 200mcg
Vitamin B12 125mcg

Cell Mass: - Avg online price of around 32 - 34.00
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 scoop (16g)
Servings per container: 40
Amount per serving
Calories 38
Sodium 70mg
Potassium 140mg
Carbs 9.5g
Calcium 80mg
Phosphorous 150mg
CEM3 (Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate) 3000mg
Glutamine AKG 2000mg
Muscle Cell Uptake Proprietary Matrix 950mg
- Cinnulin-PF
- Calcium Phosphate
- Di-Potassium Phosphate
- Di-Sodium Phosphate

Comparisons:
- CVM Xtreme - 50 servings for around the price of 40 servings of Cell Mass

- CVM Xtreme contains no carbs. Cell Mass contains 9.5 grams.

- CVM Xtreme contains 5 total grams of creatine per serving - 3 grams of DiCreatine Malate and 2 grams of Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate. Cell Mass contains 3 grams of Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate.

- Cell Mass contains 2000 mg of Glutamine AKG. CVM Xtreme contains no glutamine, as to not interfere with the rest of the cell volumizing matrix. It was also our feeling that adding a trivial amount of glutamine would not be effective because even for the individuals that believe in glutamine, most agree that it is effective under certain conditions and at high dosages.

- Cell Mass contains a 950 mg blend of Cinnulin and phosphates.

- CVM Xtreme contains 2 grams of Betaine Anhydrous. Cell Mass contains none.

- CVM Xtreme contains 500 mg of Glycocymine, Cell Mass contains none.

- CVM Xtreme contains 2 grams of Taurine, Cell Mass contains none.

- CVM Xtreme contains 1000 mg of Glucuronalactone, Cell Mass contains none. Glucuronalactone is for endurance and energy.

- CVM Xtreme contains 1.5 grams of DiArginine Malate, Cell Mass contains none. DiArginine Malate is for cell columization.

- CVM Xtreme contains some B Vitamins to help aid in absorption, Cell Mass contains none.

Trick D · 02-20-2006, 09:10 PM

CVM is my winner...

By the way SNS... I was trying to help you out, definitely not calling you out. I knew that you had a killer product, but I thought if you posted some good information in this thread directly comparing the two that you would win over more than just mentioning your product. A great product backed with science... that is what I like.

**sns8778** · 02-20-2006, 09:24 PM

Arginine E2 Matrix to Nitrix comparison.

Nitrix: Avg price online is around 31.95
Serving Size: 3 Tablets
Servings per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving
L-Arginine Alpha Keto-Glutarate (AAKG) 3000mg
CRTS (Controlled Release Technology & Support Syste) 1791mg
Methocel (Micro-Polymer Hydrophilic Ether Matrix)
Phosphoplexx (Di-Calcium Phosphate, Di-Potassium Phosphate & Di-Sodium Phosphate)
CEM3 (Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate)
L-Citrulline
NAD (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide)
Folic Acid (Folate)

Arginine E2 Matrix: avg price online is around 33 to 34.95.
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 3 Capsules
Servings per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving
Arginine E2 Matrix Blend 2150mg
Arginine Ethyl Ester HCl
Ornithine Ethyl Ester HCl
Norvaline

Price comparison:
- Nitrix and Arginine E2 Matrix cost about the same for 180 capsules/tablets.

Comparisons:
- First, Arginine E2 Matrix is capsules instead of tablets, allowing for ease of swallowing.

- A 3 tablet serving of Nitrix contains 3000 mg of Arginine AKG along with a a propietary blen of 1791 total mgs of what they call the CRT blend. See above. The issue with this blend is that you have 1791 mg blend of a plethora of ingredients leading one to believe that there are only trivial dosages of each.

A few points on Arginine E2 Matrix:
- the product largely speaks for itself. There are several logs accessible on the product. A good one that you know would be unbiased was from CTG over at BB.com. He had just got off of Nitrix and compared it and Arginine E2 Matrix. Also, Uhockey included a review of it in his journal review.

- A 3 capsule serving of Arginine E2 Matrix gives you 2150 mg blend of Arginine Ethyl Ester HCI, Ornithine Ethyl Ester HCI, and Norvaline. Arginine Ethyl Ester HCI is used instead of Arginine AKG because we believe it to be more absorbable and to deliver more benefit at lesser dosage. There is alot of info around about Ornithine stacking well with Arginine, so we used Ornithine Ethyl Ester HCI. Also, norvaline is added because norvaline is an arginase inhibitor - meaning that it helps keep your body from breaking down the elevated arginine levels seen from using the product. Read the full write up for more detailed info.

Another note - Krzna is getting ready to use both the CVM Xtreme and Arginine E2 Matrix together and provide some feedback on it.

**sns8778** · 02-20-2006, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trick D

CVM is my winner...

By the way SNS... I was trying to help you out, definitely not calling you out. I knew that you had a killer product, but I thought if you posted some good information in this thread directly comparing the two that you would win over more than just mentioning your product. A great product backed with science... that is what I like.

No problem at all. I dont mind giving comparisons.

I think that truly CVM Xtreme comes out over Cell Mass any way you look at it. Same for Arginine E2 Matrix over Nitrix.

02-15-2006, 06:03 AM	#1
beef_cam New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	BSN Products (cellmass, NO explode,nitrix) is the product cellmass worth a flip because i have used for more than two months and i have not seen anything at all happeneing

02-15-2006, 06:06 AM	#2
warriors The world is yours Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,127 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 29	Well if you have been using it for two months and haven't seen anything than that should tell you something. Next time try Cre-ethyl thunder or Green Bulge. If you have the money i recommend Size-On from Gaspari. __________________ Not Around...

02-19-2006, 07:54 PM	#7
sns8778 Forum Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 95 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Just to throw out a couple of our products that I feel would be better, more cost effective choices: CVM Xtreme contains Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate (which is contained in Cell Mass) along with a host of other cell volumizing ingredients. Ingredient Panel: Supplement Facts Serving Size: 1 heaping scoop Servings per Container: 50 Amount per Serving CVM (Cell Volumizing Matrix Blend) DiCreatine Malate 3g Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate 2g Betaine Anhydrous 2g Taurine 2g 2:1 DiArginine Malate 1.5g Glucuronalactone 1g Glycocymine 500mg Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 100mg Vitamin B3 (Niacin) 50mg Folic Acid 200mcg Vitamin B12 125mcg As for comparing something to Nitrix, Arginine E2 Matrix is really not comparable in terms of ingredients, but we feel very confident that it will deliver more results than Nitrix. Here is the ingredient panel: Supplement Facts Serving Size: 3 Capsules Servings per Container: 60 Amount Per Serving Arginine E2 Matrix Blend 2150mg Arginine Ethyl Ester HCl Ornithine Ethyl Ester HCl Norvaline If you look around, you can find logs on these products used as stand alones and as stacks. __________________ Serious Nutrition Solutions - steve@seriousnutritionsolutions.com Serious Nutrition Solution's Primary Goals: Providing: 1. Top Quality Products 2. The Best Customer Service in the Industry 3. Products that are Cost Effective to the Consumer

02-20-2006, 09:03 PM	#9
sns8778 Forum Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 95 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Trick D - CVM Xtreme to Cell Mass comparison. CVM Xtreme - Avg online price of around 31.00 to 32.00 Supplement Facts Serving Size: 1 heaping scoop Servings per Container: 50 Amount per Serving CVM (Cell Volumizing Matrix Blend) DiCreatine Malate 3g Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate 2g Betaine Anhydrous 2g Taurine 2g 2:1 DiArginine Malate 1.5g Glucuronalactone 1g Glycocymine 500mg Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 100mg Vitamin B3 (Niacin) 50mg Folic Acid 200mcg Vitamin B12 125mcg Cell Mass: - Avg online price of around 32 - 34.00 Supplement Facts Serving Size: 1 scoop (16g) Servings per container: 40 Amount per serving Calories 38 Sodium 70mg Potassium 140mg Carbs 9.5g Calcium 80mg Phosphorous 150mg CEM3 (Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate) 3000mg Glutamine AKG 2000mg Muscle Cell Uptake Proprietary Matrix 950mg - Cinnulin-PF - Calcium Phosphate - Di-Potassium Phosphate - Di-Sodium Phosphate Comparisons: - CVM Xtreme - 50 servings for around the price of 40 servings of Cell Mass - CVM Xtreme contains no carbs. Cell Mass contains 9.5 grams. - CVM Xtreme contains 5 total grams of creatine per serving - 3 grams of DiCreatine Malate and 2 grams of Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate. Cell Mass contains 3 grams of Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate. - Cell Mass contains 2000 mg of Glutamine AKG. CVM Xtreme contains no glutamine, as to not interfere with the rest of the cell volumizing matrix. It was also our feeling that adding a trivial amount of glutamine would not be effective because even for the individuals that believe in glutamine, most agree that it is effective under certain conditions and at high dosages. - Cell Mass contains a 950 mg blend of Cinnulin and phosphates. - CVM Xtreme contains 2 grams of Betaine Anhydrous. Cell Mass contains none. - CVM Xtreme contains 500 mg of Glycocymine, Cell Mass contains none. - CVM Xtreme contains 2 grams of Taurine, Cell Mass contains none. - CVM Xtreme contains 1000 mg of Glucuronalactone, Cell Mass contains none. Glucuronalactone is for endurance and energy. - CVM Xtreme contains 1.5 grams of DiArginine Malate, Cell Mass contains none. DiArginine Malate is for cell columization. - CVM Xtreme contains some B Vitamins to help aid in absorption, Cell Mass contains none. __________________ Serious Nutrition Solutions - steve@seriousnutritionsolutions.com Serious Nutrition Solution's Primary Goals: Providing: 1. Top Quality Products 2. The Best Customer Service in the Industry 3. Products that are Cost Effective to the Consumer

02-20-2006, 09:24 PM	#11
sns8778 Forum Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 95 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 6	Arginine E2 Matrix to Nitrix comparison. Nitrix: Avg price online is around 31.95 Serving Size: 3 Tablets Servings per Container: 60 Amount Per Serving L-Arginine Alpha Keto-Glutarate (AAKG) 3000mg CRTS (Controlled Release Technology & Support Syste) 1791mg Methocel (Micro-Polymer Hydrophilic Ether Matrix) Phosphoplexx (Di-Calcium Phosphate, Di-Potassium Phosphate & Di-Sodium Phosphate) CEM3 (Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate) L-Citrulline NAD (Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide) Folic Acid (Folate) Arginine E2 Matrix: avg price online is around 33 to 34.95. Supplement Facts Serving Size: 3 Capsules Servings per Container: 60 Amount Per Serving Arginine E2 Matrix Blend 2150mg Arginine Ethyl Ester HCl Ornithine Ethyl Ester HCl Norvaline Price comparison: - Nitrix and Arginine E2 Matrix cost about the same for 180 capsules/tablets. Comparisons: - First, Arginine E2 Matrix is capsules instead of tablets, allowing for ease of swallowing. - A 3 tablet serving of Nitrix contains 3000 mg of Arginine AKG along with a a propietary blen of 1791 total mgs of what they call the CRT blend. See above. The issue with this blend is that you have 1791 mg blend of a plethora of ingredients leading one to believe that there are only trivial dosages of each. A few points on Arginine E2 Matrix: - the product largely speaks for itself. There are several logs accessible on the product. A good one that you know would be unbiased was from CTG over at BB.com. He had just got off of Nitrix and compared it and Arginine E2 Matrix. Also, Uhockey included a review of it in his journal review. - A 3 capsule serving of Arginine E2 Matrix gives you 2150 mg blend of Arginine Ethyl Ester HCI, Ornithine Ethyl Ester HCI, and Norvaline. Arginine Ethyl Ester HCI is used instead of Arginine AKG because we believe it to be more absorbable and to deliver more benefit at lesser dosage. There is alot of info around about Ornithine stacking well with Arginine, so we used Ornithine Ethyl Ester HCI. Also, norvaline is added because norvaline is an arginase inhibitor - meaning that it helps keep your body from breaking down the elevated arginine levels seen from using the product. Read the full write up for more detailed info. Another note - Krzna is getting ready to use both the CVM Xtreme and Arginine E2 Matrix together and provide some feedback on it. __________________ Serious Nutrition Solutions - steve@seriousnutritionsolutions.com Serious Nutrition Solution's Primary Goals: Providing: 1. Top Quality Products 2. The Best Customer Service in the Industry 3. Products that are Cost Effective to the Consumer

02-15-2006, 06:32 AM	#3
corvettecris New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Eweesay Posts: 16 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, cell mass is basically just Creatine EE. I use 'El Cheapo CEE' and get the same results, but for some people, creatine just doesn't make a huge difference.

02-16-2006, 11:24 AM	#5
Peaked_18 a la commode Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,247 Recipes: 2 Rep Power: 96	If you have the money, go with no-xplode. And them purchase some bulk cee and add that to the no-xplode. It'll be a lot cheaper then green bulge and cell mass, but you get the quality of no-xplode.

02-18-2006, 05:06 AM	#6
Nitrous Pro Stature Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Atown, BC Posts: 200 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 12	i'm on no-xplode right now and up 5 pounds in about 2 weeks...very happy with the gains..strenght and everything is going up..but it could have something to do with my massive intake of food too

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