The Basics of the ECY Stack...

sawastea · 06-10-2005, 02:15 PM

I started this thread some time back @ BB.com. I have cut out some excerpts from it. Feel free to chime in.

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I've received TONS of PMs regarding ECY, and what exactly is it. Here is a quick breakdown of the ingredients and simple directions on how to use. I will also include a few links on where you can purchase these products and a few links to other threads. By no means will this be scientific, however, I will state what has worked for me and I hope others, who have experience with the ECY stack, post their opinions. This could be a simple Q&A

What is an ECY stack?
ECY stands for ephedrine HCL, yohimbine HCL and caffeine

Where can I find the ingredients for the ECY stack
* Ephedrine HCL can be found at the BB.com Cyberstore
* Caffeine can be found at the www.***************.com
* Yohimbine HCL, though not sold as a seperate ingredient, can be found as yohimbe at the www.***************.com You can also find it seperately at other Internet locations. An internet "search" will accomplish this

What are the dosings/servings of the ECY stack?
If you are new to this, you will need to start at a basic level. Ideally, each serving will be:

* Ephedrine HCL: 25mg
* Caffeine: 200mg
* Yohimbine HCL: 5mg

The best (i.e. ideal) time to take it will be 30 minutes prior to a meal (preferably low carb) and/or 30 minutes prior to exercise. It should also be noted that yohimbine really isn't necessary to make this stack AMAZING. Ephedrine HCL and caffeine will do well. Many people will alternate ephedrine HCL and caffeine with yohimbine HCL with caffeine, as there is published material stating that the combination of ephedrine and yohimbine isn't wise. You can read up on it here

You should wait a few days before your increase your servings (assessing tolerance to the ingredients). In most cases, people will take 2-3 servings a day, with a few taking 4 servings a day and some whackos taking more then that :o. Each serving should be taken roughly 4 hours or more apart, and again, 30 minutes prior to a meal (preferably low carb) and/or exercise.

What pre-cautions should I take with the ECY stack?
Some basic pre-cautions include:

* Not surpassing 100mg ephedrine HCL in a 24 hour period
* Not surpassing 0.2mg/kg of bodyweight of yohimbine HCL (20mg for a 220lb person)
* Always watch for side-effects, including: increased blood pressure, heart palpitations, increased body temperature, et cetera.
* As caffeine is a diuretic, please drink plenty of fluids (i.e. water) daily.

What other links are there regarding the ECY stack?
* Sawastea's Review of Various Products
* Old thread regarding thermos
* ECA Misconceptions & Debunking by shpongled
* Homemade ECA by Manteca

The aforementioned links can be found at the Best Of Supplements Sticky

* EYC and where to get

This is a very basic thread regarding ECY. There are topics I have not touched, including other supplements to take with the ECY. Honestly, if you are a noobie taking this, stick to the basics.

Finally, please realize that these are supplements, they will NOT replace a proper diet and exercise program. They are used to 'supplement' it. Please use with caution and know ALL the side-effects of each ingredient.

This is intended for those 18 years and older

sawastea · 06-10-2005, 02:17 PM

The Truths and Myths of the use of Guaifenesin for Fibromyalgia

sawastea · 06-10-2005, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jweave23

I don't believe that cycling off is really necessary very often unless one desires that perceived CNS stimulation that get (i.e. the "kick"). This has been supported by some research by sphongled over at AL I believe (I'd give links but I'm a lazy bastard with time management problems to boot)

...although if memory serves correctly there is also some theories postulating why Y and E may not combine so effectively, despite results to the contrary

With that said, I have used ECA, NYC, or ECY combinations for months at a time. Currently I have been using a ECY since January with 2 breaks for clen, and not concerning myself with cycling off until Sept (just figured it was finally time, lol).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki

Not to beat a dead horse, but I really would rather people use Synephrine or Tyramine (at modest dosages)[along with l-tyrosine when using an ephedrine/caffeine as opposed to Yohimbine. The central negative feedback response to oral yohimbine response is just so potent & detrimental long-term in terms of homeostasic signaling, it really is not worth it unless you are a.) using it temporarily in fasted/ketosis periods to finalize a cutting cycle, or b.) using it with dopaminergic compounds to mitigate the central norepinephrine cascade. Otherwise, you are better off without it IMHO. Also, you can essentially achieve identical effects to yohimbine in terms of a2-adrenoreceptor 'knockout' (for stubborn fat mobilization) with 3-4 days of ketogenic/low-carb dieting. Which--again--is why I see yohimbine as an unnecessary dieting adjunct from a cost-benefit perspective.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki

I'm starting to feel like it's pretty much going to be impossible to fully dissuade yohimbine being stacked with ephedrine.

And yet my humble crusade must continue for the benefit of everyone's adipostatic machinery in the long-run:

NOTE: It is research-documented that alpha-2 adrenoreceptor antagonism initiates a cascade that diminishes beta-adrenoreceptor mediated lipolysis (re: fat burning). Remember, ephedrine is a beta-receptor agonist, so by taking E + Y together, you're basically taking three steps forward and then one step back. Perhaps even more importantly E & Y together = a ton of central norepinephrine relay to the HPTA, which is EXTREMELY bad for you long-term for the following reasons: 1. extremely vasoconstrictive, both in sections of the brain and periperhally, 2. (from 1) there will be a significant elevation in blood pressure, 3. the HPTA (hypothalamus-pituary-thyroid-axis) is basically the 'master control switch' for an innumerable number of the body's metabolic and endocrine processes. Whereas dopamine and serotonin convey to the HPTA that there is positive energy influx, NE/NA (norepinephrine) is a stress-hormone, which is perfectly fine in the short-term for reducing appetite, providing energy while hypocaloric, and causing weight loss. Too-much continual stress-hormone signaling to the HPTA means your body thinks it's starving, seriously. That's why--short term, Y + E work fine. Long-term, they will diminish fat-loss, because they will literally **** over your metabolism from top to bottom. You need to achieve neurotransmitter/catecholamine balance: epinephrine:norepinephrine:dopamine. Taking E + Y together radically tilts the scale in the direction of norepinephrine, which, as I said, will diminish lipolysis long-term and will eventually bring your diet to a screetching halt (unless you are using an exogenous source of dopamine like nicotine to correct this defiency, and even here, I still do not recommend the pairing based on the other aforementioned reasons). Again, think about it, I'm talking about your HPTA. So that includes a.) thyroid, b.) pituary (which releases GnRH which, downstream, regulates testosterone levels), c.) hypothalamus (your body's primary 'control panel'). These are not components in your body that should be taking lightly. This is why so many contest dieters are forced to take cytomel, or cannot get their dick hard: because their body is so convinced that they are starving that their HPTA-regulated processes have entirely bottomed out. I sincerely hope everyone can see the significance of this, in terms of the "big picture."

Use E/C with synephrine, green tea, nicotine, clenbuterol, hell, even DNP for all I care, just do not take it with amines, amphetamines, and yohimbine. Thank you, that is all. Cheers

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=126

sawastea · 06-10-2005, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Caffeine has a six-hour half-life (relative to ephedrine's 4-hour HL), so yeah, that will still work fairly well, although I might just use a half-tab of E for that third dosage. You'll get a little more mileage out of your E, and the results will be pretty much the same.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=157

You can read the thread in its entirety here:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=316758

~~Hacking is a Felony~~ · 06-10-2005, 03:10 PM

Thanks for posting this sawastea

mrsc · 06-10-2005, 03:18 PM

Thanks for posting this -- it is great information!! Although -- I would put the links down for supplementking since they are a sponser on this forum (instead of BB) but that is just my opinion. I don't think they have the Ephedrine HCL yet so BB should be OK for that one but I do know they have the Y and the C

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Again, thanks for the great information!!!!

Pj-Macx · 06-10-2005, 03:43 PM

Thanks Saws.... great info...

sawastea · 06-10-2005, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsc

Thanks for posting this -- it is great information!! Although -- I would put the links down for supplementking since they are a sponser on this forum (instead of BB) but that is just my opinion. I don't think they have the Ephedrine HCL yet so BB should be OK for that one but I do know they have the Y and the C

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Again, thanks for the great information!!!!

Good point. I copy/pasted this from BB.com

If any of the mods want to edit my post, please do so.

Actual Size · 06-10-2005, 11:06 PM

As usual Sawasta does a great job.

sawastea · 06-22-2005, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Actual Size

As usual Sawasta does a great job.

Don't roll your eyes at me snapperhead!!!

Pj-Macx · 06-23-2005, 12:41 AM

I changed two of the links to Supplement Kings... when they get the E.. I will change that one too...

Apootheosis · 08-04-2005, 02:32 AM

I will come back to reading this later, but il just chime in a little here and say this

The old stack used to be ECA, the A is for Aspirin. This is highly ineffective now, and can lead to premature renal failure. I used to take an ECAY stack, basically thinking what harm could aspirin do? but its really useless now, so dont even try it :-p they took it out for a reason

edit: also very cost effective stack, proabbly the best diet supplement other than sesathin.

**skelooth** · 09-01-2005, 11:30 PM

How much Yohimbe should I take if I'm taking JUST a YC stack?

pu12en12g · 01-14-2006, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skelooth

How much Yohimbe should I take if I'm taking JUST a YC stack?

Results will vary (dramatically) depending on your tolerance of / sensitivity to stimulants.

With Yohimbe (herbal) or Yohimbine HCL (pure) I recommend starting at the lowest possible dose (I learned this the hard way).

sawastea · 02-12-2006, 08:48 PM

I tend to react well with 5mg Yohimbine HCL with 200mg caffeine. Remember not to surpass (0.2mg yohimbine x weight in KG) daily. Hence, if you weight 100KG (220 lbs), do not surpass 20mg yohimbine HCL daily.

leanmass · 04-18-2006, 06:54 AM

yohimbine + ephedrine is a highly dangerouse combo. yohimbine is a MAO inhibitor, so, by taking it with ephedrine, will allow ephedrine to poison our brain. I do never recomend ECY. I think the best is to alternate EC and YC.

Diesel13 · 07-14-2006, 11:46 PM

I was reading a lot about Y and have been thinking about doing a YC stack but what are some of the sides that people have been talking about? How bad, even if I supplement with very little?

sawastea · 10-31-2006, 04:25 PM

I will be adding swome more information to this in the near future is there a way to edit or should a mod add it?

~~Hacking is a Felony~~ · 10-31-2006, 04:45 PM

I can edit the first post for you .. just shoot me the details

06-10-2005, 02:15 PM	#1
sawastea Amateur Join Date: May 2005 Location: On the corner of Adonis and Complex Posts: 77 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 8	The Basics of the ECY Stack... I started this thread some time back @ BB.com. I have cut out some excerpts from it. Feel free to chime in. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've received TONS of PMs regarding ECY, and what exactly is it. Here is a quick breakdown of the ingredients and simple directions on how to use. I will also include a few links on where you can purchase these products and a few links to other threads. By no means will this be scientific, however, I will state what has worked for me and I hope others, who have experience with the ECY stack, post their opinions. This could be a simple Q&A What is an ECY stack? ECY stands for ephedrine HCL, yohimbine HCL and caffeine Where can I find the ingredients for the ECY stack * Ephedrine HCL can be found at the BB.com Cyberstore * Caffeine can be found at the www.**************.com Yohimbine HCL, though not sold as a seperate ingredient, can be found as yohimbe at the www.*************.com You can also find it seperately at other Internet locations. An internet "search" will accomplish this What are the dosings/servings of the ECY stack?** If you are new to this, you will need to start at a basic level. Ideally, each serving will be: * Ephedrine HCL: 25mg * Caffeine: 200mg * Yohimbine HCL: 5mg The best (i.e. ideal) time to take it will be 30 minutes prior to a meal (preferably low carb) and/or 30 minutes prior to exercise. It should also be noted that yohimbine really isn't necessary to make this stack AMAZING. Ephedrine HCL and caffeine will do well. Many people will alternate ephedrine HCL and caffeine with yohimbine HCL with caffeine, as there is published material stating that the combination of ephedrine and yohimbine isn't wise. You can read up on it here You should wait a few days before your increase your servings (assessing tolerance to the ingredients). In most cases, people will take 2-3 servings a day, with a few taking 4 servings a day and some whackos taking more then that :o. Each serving should be taken roughly 4 hours or more apart, and again, 30 minutes prior to a meal (preferably low carb) and/or exercise. What pre-cautions should I take with the ECY stack? Some basic pre-cautions include: * Not surpassing 100mg ephedrine HCL in a 24 hour period * Not surpassing 0.2mg/kg of bodyweight of yohimbine HCL (20mg for a 220lb person) * Always watch for side-effects, including: increased blood pressure, heart palpitations, increased body temperature, et cetera. * As caffeine is a diuretic, please drink plenty of fluids (i.e. water) daily. What other links are there regarding the ECY stack? * Sawastea's Review of Various Products * Old thread regarding thermos * ECA Misconceptions & Debunking by shpongled * Homemade ECA by Manteca The aforementioned links can be found at the Best Of Supplements Sticky * EYC and where to get This is a very basic thread regarding ECY. There are topics I have not touched, including other supplements to take with the ECY. Honestly, if you are a noobie taking this, stick to the basics. Finally, please realize that these are supplements, they will NOT replace a proper diet and exercise program. They are used to 'supplement' it. Please use with caution and know ALL the side-effects of each ingredient. This is intended for those 18 years and older Last edited by Pj-Macx : 06-23-2005 at 12:18 AM.

06-10-2005, 03:18 PM	#6
mrsc Pink Members Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 171 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 5	Thanks for posting this -- it is great information!! Although -- I would put the links down for supplementking since they are a sponser on this forum (instead of BB) but that is just my opinion. I don't think they have the Ephedrine HCL yet so BB should be OK for that one but I do know they have the Y and the C --- Again, thanks for the great information!!!! __________________ :moon: :moon: :moon: :moon:

06-10-2005, 03:43 PM	#7
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06-10-2005, 11:06 PM	#9
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06-23-2005, 12:41 AM	#11
Pj-Macx Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Location: 632 HP SS Posts: 3,336 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 68	I changed two of the links to Supplement Kings... when they get the E.. I will change that one too... __________________ Co-Owner @ BodyBuildingXtreme 2002 Navy Blue Metallic Camaro SS "The Blue Ghost" # 10354 -=LME LSX 454ci built for N20=-

06-10-2005, 02:17 PM	#2
sawastea Amateur Join Date: May 2005 Location: On the corner of Adonis and Complex Posts: 77 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 8	The Truths and Myths of the use of Guaifenesin for Fibromyalgia

06-10-2005, 03:10 PM	#5
~~Hacking is a Felony~~ I destroy property Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,105 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	Thanks for posting this sawastea

08-04-2005, 02:32 AM	#12
Apootheosis Pro Stature Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 625 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 10	I will come back to reading this later, but il just chime in a little here and say this The old stack used to be ECA, the A is for Aspirin. This is highly ineffective now, and can lead to premature renal failure. I used to take an ECAY stack, basically thinking what harm could aspirin do? but its really useless now, so dont even try it :-p they took it out for a reason edit: also very cost effective stack, proabbly the best diet supplement other than sesathin.

09-01-2005, 11:30 PM	#13
skelooth eh heh heh Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 7,202 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 158	How much Yohimbe should I take if I'm taking JUST a YC stack? __________________ http://loseover100lbs.com/misc-f7.html

02-12-2006, 08:48 PM	#15
sawastea Amateur Join Date: May 2005 Location: On the corner of Adonis and Complex Posts: 77 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 8	I tend to react well with 5mg Yohimbine HCL with 200mg caffeine. Remember not to surpass (0.2mg yohimbine x weight in KG) daily. Hence, if you weight 100KG (220 lbs), do not surpass 20mg yohimbine HCL daily.

04-18-2006, 06:54 AM	#16
leanmass IMPC Contestant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lisbon PORTUGAL Posts: 133 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 8	yohimbine + ephedrine is a highly dangerouse combo. yohimbine is a MAO inhibitor, so, by taking it with ephedrine, will allow ephedrine to poison our brain. I do never recomend ECY. I think the best is to alternate EC and YC.

07-14-2006, 11:46 PM	#17
Diesel13 New Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	I was reading a lot about Y and have been thinking about doing a YC stack but what are some of the sides that people have been talking about? How bad, even if I supplement with very little? __________________ -Raw Stats- Age: 16 Weight: 173 lbs. Bench: 253 (shirted) tested Deadlift: 402 x 1 equipped tested

10-31-2006, 04:25 PM	#18
sawastea Amateur Join Date: May 2005 Location: On the corner of Adonis and Complex Posts: 77 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 8	I will be adding swome more information to this in the near future is there a way to edit or should a mod add it? __________________ MOD @ Bodybuilding.com MOD @ Massmonsterz.com MOD @ Fitnessandbeyond.net MOD @ Softballfans.com

10-31-2006, 04:45 PM	#19
~~Hacking is a Felony~~ I destroy property Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,105 Recipes: 0 Rep Power: 0	I can edit the first post for you .. just shoot me the details

10-31-2006, 05:40 PM	#20